Sinless Perfection

[Micaiah]

As far as christian still occasionally walk in the flesh.

How is that possible?

“And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:24, KJV)

Anyone claiming to be a Christian who still falls under the command of the flesh will probably be lost forever:

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27, KJV)

They have now reverted to disobedient children:

“…the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:” (Colossians 3:6, KJV)

 

[civic]

Peter sinned after Pentecost was he saved ?

Is your walk with Christ better than the Apostle Peter’s ?

 

[Ozias]

The danger of believing in sinless perfection is falling into works of the flesh. Commonly known as "Works Salvation"'

In this parable, a Pharisee. and a tax collector went to the temple to pray. The Pharisee prayed about how good he was, but the tax collector asked for God's mercy as he was a sinner. Jesus said that it was the tax collector who went home justified before God.

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector​

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

As Christians we have to realize that we all fall short of the glory of God and we need to humbly ask for forgiveness when we do.

I agree work salvation is very devious. One thinks they have salvation by their Good Deeds rather than relying upon jesus. Salvation by works seems right in the eyes of man. One of man’s basic desires is to be in control of his own destiny, and that includes his eternal destiny.

Salvation by works appeals to man’s pride and his desire to be in control. Being saved by works appeals to that desire far more than the idea of being saved by faith alone. Also, man has an inherent sense of justice. Even the most ardent atheist believes in some type of justice and has a sense of right and wrong, even if he has no moral basis for making such judgments. Our inherent sense of right and wrong demands that if we are to be saved, our “good works” must outweigh our “bad works.” Therefore, it is natural that when man creates a religion it would involve some type of salvation by works. GOT?

 

[Ozias]

As far as Christian go we still occasionally walk in the flesh.

 

[Micaiah]

“And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.” (Jeremiah 18:9-10, KJV)

 

[Micaiah]

Peter sinned after Pentecost was he saved ?

He did not sin.

What scripture are you referring to?

 

[civic]

He did not sin.

What scripture are you referring to?

Paul rebuked Peter to his face for the sin of hypocrisy

Gal 2- But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

 

[Micaiah]

As far as Christian go we still occasionally walk in the flesh.

This is something we USED to do as lost men.

“among whom we also had our way of life in times past, in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.” (Ephesians 2:3, MKJV)

 

[civic]

Unless you think hypocrisy is not a sin lol.

Read what Jesus thinks of hypocrites in Matthew 23.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ozias]

“And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.” (Jeremiah 18:9-10, KJV)

This scripture is referring to the nation of Israel. This side of the cross if a believer sins and continues to walk in sin he will find himself feeding pigs like The Prodigal Son. But his father will welcome him back home with open arms when he repents and asked for forgiveness.

 

[Micaiah]

Paul rebuked Peter to his face for the sin of hypocrisy

You weren’t able to address an earlier inquiry so now you move to this non issue. Let’s look at the scripture you are alluding to:

“But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.” (Galatians 2:11, KJV)

Where does it says that Peter sinned?

Let’s proceed:

“For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.” (Galatians 2:12, KJV)

No sin yet…

What else:

“But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?” (Galatians 2:14, KJV)

It is no sin to compel someone to live as a Jew. It’s not expedient in the faith of Christ, but it’s no sin.

“All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.” (1 Corinthians 10:23, KJV)

 

[civic]

You weren’t able to address an earlier inquiry so now you move to this non issue. Let’s look at the scripture you are alluding to:

“But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.” (Galatians 2:11, KJV)

Where does it says that Peter sinned?

Let’s proceed:

“For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.” (Galatians 2:12, KJV)

No sin yet…

What else:

“But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?” (Galatians 2:14, KJV)

It is no sin to compel someone to live as a Jew. It’s not expedient in the faith of Christ, but it’s no sin.

“All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.” (1 Corinthians 10:23, KJV)

Is hypocrisy a sin ? Yes or no

 

[Ozias]

This is something we USED to do as lost men.

“among whom we also had our way of life in times past, in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.” (Ephesians 2:3, MKJV)

Yes we're different now that we're saved but we still occasionally walk in the flesh but it's not habitual sin. That's why we need to confess our sins and ask for forgiveness.

 

[Micaiah]

Is hypocrisy a sin ? Yes or no

There was no hypocrisy involved.

The words “hypocrite” and “sin” are not mentioned anywhere in Paul’s inspired writing regarding Peter’s actions compelling the gentiles to live as do the Jews.

 

[civic]

There was no hypocrisy involved.

The words “hypocrite” and “sin” are not mentioned anywhere in Paul’s inspired writing regarding Peter’s actions compelling the gentiles to live as do the Jews.

You are so easy to disprove see Gal 2:13

New International Version
The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

New Living Translation
As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

English Standard Version
And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Berean Standard Bible
The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

Berean Literal Bible
And also the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically with him, so that, by their hypocrisy, even Barnabas was carried away.

King James Bible
And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. ( same word for hypocrisy)

New King James Version
And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

New American Standard Bible
The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.

 

[civic]

Jesus often calls people hypocrites in the Bible, including in Matthew 6:2, 5, 16, 7:5, 15:7, 22:18, 23:13, 15, 23:23, 25, 27, 29, 24:51, and Mark 7:6. In Matthew 23, Jesus compares hypocrites to whitewashed tombs that appear beautiful on the outside but are full of uncleanness on the inside. In Matthew 7:5, Jesus warns about the dangers of hypocrisy, saying, "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye".


John the Baptist
In Luke 3:8, John the Baptist tells hypocrites to produce "fruits worthy of repentance"

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So you two comedians

SO answer my question!! How long have you deluded yourself into believing that you live in "sinless Perfection???

 

[Micaiah]

You are so easy to disprove see Gal 2:13

I will have to acknowledge that it was hypocritical on Peter’s part.

I refreshed my memory on the definition of “dissimulation” in KJV. And it does carry the sense of hypocrisy.

Peter will have to answer for that at the judgement.

But it wasn’t with wilfull evil intent.

And if this is all you have it doesn’t disqualify all the questions that I have asked thus far.

David had a man killed and committed adultery. Should we use this to excuse our actions as well?

Why are you working so hard to allow sin to continue?

 

[civic]

I will have to acknowledge that it was hypocritical on Peter’s part.

I refreshed my memory on the definition of “dissimulation” in KJV. And it does carry the sense of hypocrisy.

Peter will have to answer for that at the judgement.

But it wasn’t with wilfull evil intent.

And if this is all you have it doesn’t disqualify all the questions that I have asked thus far.

David had a man killed and committed adultery. Should we use this to excuse our actions as well?

Why are you working so hard to allow sin to continue?

Thanks for acknowledging it with Peter

 

[Micaiah]

SO answer my question!! How long have you deluded yourself into believing that you live in "sinless Perfection???

“He that committeth sin is of the devil...” (1 John 3:8, KJV)

I’m not of the devil and I hope you aren’t either…