The Difference between RIGHTEOUSNESS and HOLINESS

[charismaticlady]

John is writing to Christians ..... THE SAVE, not to Sinners. STOP and think. if God required a sinner to confess their sins in order to be saved, we all would be LOST. because some of us cannot even remember what we were doing was month, and some of us last week. and if we were sinning and did not confess it then we're doomed. but as the scripture's states, God is not unrighteous, that's why he took our place, he himself became sin for us. this is why he took on human flesh.....

First, I'm Glad to hear that you're Preaching, praise God. second, ERROR, you said, "I have been preaching "past sins" for years, but from 2 Peter 1:9, definitely not Romans 3. As far as using Romans 3, what God is overlooking are the sins of Israel" NO, and again we say NO, listen as to who sins are forgiven. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." THERE IT IS, not only for the Jews sin, but the Whole World..... translation, Jews and Gentile sins.

well let's see what Romans says.... ok. remember this is to saved people. Romans 6:3 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" Romans 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (SHOULD WALK?). Romans 6:5 "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (AGAIN, SHOULD NOT?). Romans 6:7 "For he that is dead is freed from sin." Romans 6:8 "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:" Romans 6:9 "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him." Romans 6:10 "For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Romans 6:11 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." (STOP THE PRESS. IF YOU'RE ALREADY FREE FROM SIN, WHY ARE LETTING, OR LET NOT SIN RULE IN, IN, IN, YOUR MORTAL BODY...... ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE SIN FREE?). (understand Let is a conditional word with a choice, as here to sin, or not). Romans 6:13 "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God." (WHY TELL SAVE FOLK THAT WHO IS FREE FROM SIN? are we getting this now). Romans 6:14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." WHAT! so there is a possibility sin could have dominion over you .... the saved .... while in these mortal bodied? What you say?..... (smile). well it isn't going to happen and here's why? because we have a "HELPER", to combat this sinful mortal body, let's see it. Galatians 5:14 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Galatians 5:15 "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another." Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (I KNOW THIS CANNOT APPLY TO THOSE WHO ARE ALREADYT PERFECT AND SINLESS, NO NOT THEM). Galatians 5:17 "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." (READ THAT AGAIB). Galatians 5:18 "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." Galatians 5:19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness," Galatians 5:20 "Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies," Galatians 5:21 "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith," Galatians 5:23 "Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." Galatians 5:24 "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." Galatians 5:25 "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." Galatians 5:26 "Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another."

now, I know that any sinless and Perfect saved Christian has never did any "variance", contention, dispute, or argument .......(smile)? or emulations?....... or wrath, or get angry ... without the sun setting on that anger.... I know no Christian save or not do ... THAT, and especially ask for forgiveness, ........ NEVER? yea, right. we could go on....

well you have half of it right, but unto DEATH? did not your Baptism did that? How about unto Blood, mean when it HURT. Listen and Learn. Hebrews 12:3 "For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds." Hebrews 12:4 "Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin." (READ THAT AGAIN). Hebrews 12:5 "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:" Hebrews 12:6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." Hebrews 12:7 "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?" Hebrews 12:8 "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

understand Lady, God don't have any Babe, Bebe's Kids running around loose on earth. but I guess this chastisement of sons do not apply to you, (since you're already PERFECT, and have not committed any.... any ...any... Sin since being saved). so I commend you, but for the rest of US.... hold on to one's backside..... (just in case if I slip).... and ask not for forgivness. or as the Holy Ghost vis his apostle Peter states,1 Peter 4:8 "And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins." but I guess that don't apply to those who are perfect and sinless...... (so why this verse keeps coming up in 101G[s memory to remind him of something, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." .

from my understanding is this "RELIGION" is a "Practice" and Practice .... MAKES PERFECT, ...... Not instantly, but progressively.

101G.

101G.

I just remembered one thing in this post about Galatians 5:17 that most people will not see. The reason why is because many publishers of the Bible capitalize the S in spirit thinking it is the Holy Spirit and not our own spirit.

The born again of the Spirit walk in the Spirit.

The unsaved who walk in the flesh require the Law to show them their sin. Galatians 5:17 and Romans 7:25 say the same thing. This is a mystery that very few know about. I am showing you because you are righteous and will have eyes to see and ears to hear and are not like 1 Cor. 2:14

You said:

from my understanding is this "RELIGION" is a "Practice" and Practice .... MAKES PERFECT, ...... Not instantly, but progressively.

Want to know another mystery about this above from you? What does God call this progress? Hint: He does not call it sanctification.

Talk to you later brother.

 

[101G]

I'm breaking down my response in sections. I'll do two right now.

1 John 1:6 is not a true Christian. There are many people in churches that are not. Matthew 7:21-23 shows this clearly. We are to work out our own salvation. It is naive to think that John and Paul's use of the words "we" and "I" are more important than the context. John is preaching to his whole congregation, those that are saved and mature, and those that aren't.

Good, 10G will answer you point by point. you said, 1 John is not a true Christian. lets see. 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

well that ended your whole argument. WE included John so John is not A. a saved person, B. a sinner. .... do you want to try again?

Again, naivety. The little children are the Christians who have been born again and empowered to not sin having been cleansed of all unrighteousness. But the next sentence is not directed at his congregation, but for the rest of the world who Jesus died for also.

And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

see 101G answer above. WE, if sinners, do not have FELLOWSHIP with God.

101G.

 

[101G]

Brother, you and I are so close in our beliefs. You are asking all the right questions. Ask them of God and He will answer you.

Paul said we are free from sin. That is the fact that must be planted into fertile ground. Not rocky ground full of the love of the world, or full of weeds. Of the two types of sin - unto death or not unto death, there is a common denominator that MUST be present for our dog not to return to its own vomit - ABIDING IN JESUS.

thank, if we're close in belief. let 101G ask you a point-Blank question. if we're free from sin, why do we, we, we, have an advocate?". listen, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" WHO IS THE "WE" HERE?

Paul said we are free from sin. That is the fact that must be planted into fertile ground. Not rocky ground full of the love of the world, or full of weeds. Of the two types of sin - unto death or not unto death, there is a common denominator that MUST be present for our dog not to return to its own vomit - ABIDING IN JESUS.

1 John 3:24 (sins unto death) Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 15: (sins not unto death) As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

1 John 3:24 (sins unto death) ?

John 15: (sins not unto death)?

ARE you kidding us? listen, he will never LEAVE US, no matter what. for no conditions was added. listen and Learn, Hebrews 13:5 "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." Hebrews 13:6 "So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me." when did he say this? Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." next, the fulfilment of it. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." NOW LISTEN, John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." and he did on the day of Pentecost, Act chapter 2. so, if you sin, or not he is with us. and get this, Dead or alive too, scripture, Romans 14:9 "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living."

now pleased post any verse under the NT where one saved, sin or not the Holy Spirit left them..... book chapter and verse.

101G.

Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.

yes, now this, Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

now some revelation knowledge in proverb, Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

Good, 10G will answer you point by point. you said, 1 John is not a true Christian. lets see. 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

well that ended your whole argument. WE included John so John is not A. a saved person, B. a sinner. .... do you want to try again?

I just erased my answer. 1 Corinthians 14:38.

 

[101G]

I just remembered one thing in this post about Galatians 5:17 that most people will not see. The reason why is because many publishers of the Bible capitalize the S in spirit thinking it is the Holy Spirit and not our own spirit.

The born again of the Spirit walk in the Spirit.

The unsaved who walk in the flesh require the Law to show them their sin. Galatians 5:17 and Romans 7:25 say the same thing. This is a mystery that very few know about. I am showing you because you are righteous and will have eyes to see and ears to hear and are not like 1 Cor. 2:14

you said, "The reason why is because many publishers of the Bible capitalize the S in spirit thinking it is the Holy Spirit and not our own spirit.". no, the verse is correct, it's the Holy Spirit. the capitalization is correct. understand as in 1 John many are babes in understanding the word of God. hence the term... "my Little Children". see it is the Spirit that's HELPS our Spirit. many say, God is more POWERFUL than our flesh, yes, and that's TRUE, but here is the element of surprise. God will not violate one will. one must Chose God and his righteousness. understand, God could come right in and slam your flesh to the Ground in an INSTANCE, and MAKE us do right. he could, but he don't he want's us to CHOOSE him and not him for us, we must "CHOOSE", and this is why he gave us his Spirit. ..... yes to help us to choose.

now revelation time: why is the Holy Spirit is called a "HELPER?"..... for a Helper do not Do it for you, but help you do whatever you're doing. and if you are not doing anything the helper has nothing to do. this is why we must be Spirit minded. Listen,

Romans 8:5 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." Romans 8:6 "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." (THIS IS WHY WE MUST RE-N EW OUR MINDS). Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:10 "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:12 "Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh." Romans 8:13 "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

this is the crust of the matter that 101G has been speaking of. as NEWBORN BABIES we must "RE-NEW OUR MINDS, and as said, LEARN GOD WAY. this is not done in a one time setting, it takes time. hence Practice make perfect. and on the way to Holiness, we will make mistakes. for perfection while in these bodies comes at a price. to be HUMAN is to ERROR. but we Learn. listen to the apostle Peter and he failed many times. but listen to him. 2 Peter 1:4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." 2 Peter 1:5 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;" 2 Peter 1:6 "And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;" 2 Peter 1:7 "And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity." 2 Peter 1:8 "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ." (THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL WORKING OUT OUR OWN SALVATION). 2 Peter 1:9 "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins." 2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" 2 Peter 1:11 "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:12 "Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth." (READ THAT AGAIN). 2 Peter 1:13 "Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;" 2 Peter 1:14 "Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me."

ok, see you soon.

101G.

 

[101G]

I just erased my answer. 1 Corinthians 14:38.

(smile)..... let's get the verse ahead first and see why and what one is Ignorant of or in. 1 Corinthians 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 14:38 "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."

there is no shame in being Ignorant, because it is treatable. ...... give them/US Truth with understanding. and if one refuse, it's out of your/US hands then.

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" 2 Peter 1:11

Is this true of you? Is your election so sure that you will now never fall? Matthew 7:19-23

 

[charismaticlady]

(smile)..... let's get the verse ahead first and see why and what one is Ignorant of or in. 1 Corinthians 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 14:38 "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."

there is no shame in being Ignorant, because it is treatable. ...... give them/US Truth with understanding. and if one refuse, it's out of your/US hands then.

101G.

I made a big mistake in thinking we were close in our beliefs. We are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[101G]

Is this true of you? Is your election so sure that you will now never fall? Matthew 7:19-23

yes, and if one KNOW THIS ... Good. for we have a BINDING COVENANT with God, the Lord JESUS. meaning making 101G bold to go after God. KNOWING that my sins are forgiven, and he will remember them no more, this guarantee free up 101G to press toward the Mark of the High calling in Christ Jesus, (work out your own salvation). see this is one of the benefits being under the BINDING NEW COVENANT THAT WE HAVE WITH GOD. a BINDING CONTRACT cannot be broken by either party..... (Now is a time to shout). the covenant cannot be broken. so, the Matthew 7:19-23 do not apply to 101G for 101G is at work, for if 101G fails, there is one GREATER in him who will carry 101G across the finish line. no matter how far the finish line is. because 101G will be busy about his Father's work. 101G has not time to FAIL, for he has SET HIS SAIL.

101G.

 

[101G]

I made a big mistake in thinking we were close in our beliefs. We are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

(smile), just REPENT, and come to the OTHER END of the spectrum. ... (smile).

101G.

 

[Soyeong]

Do not be left behind or unprotected during the Great Tribulation that is just about upon us, even at the door. Of the 7 church ages, only the Philadelphian type of Christian will be kept from the hour of trial. That means either raptured in a pre-trib rapture, or supernaturally protected as the children of Israel were during the Egyptian plagues.

Revelation 22:11
11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Righteous:
1 John 3 has to do with righteousness. It is also about sinlessness from lawlessness (10 Commandments). That is a cleansing of our sin nature back to the human nature God first created in Adam. Satan who is the one that put sin in our nature to be inherited through Adam has been defeated. 1 John 3:8-9 Jesus destroyed the works of the devil. Now through belief in Christ as we repent we receive the Spirit of Christ in us and according to 1 John 1:9 are cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

verse 24
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Righteousness is not sinless perfection people talk about, just sinlessness. Perfection comes next through the same abiding in Christ and He in us, and takes a while.

Holiness:
To be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect, ALL the fruit of the Spirit must become mature, then we are ensured of our place in heaven.
John 15:1-4
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean (sinless) because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
2 Peter 1:5-11
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


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To to be someone who has a character trait means to be someone who is a doer of that trait, so in the same way to be courageous means to be a doer of courageous works, to be righteous means to be a doer of righteous works and to be holy being to be a doer of holy works. This is why 1 John 3:7 says that everyone who does righteous works is righteous even as they are righteous and why 1 Peter 1:16 says to be a holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was instructing how to do holy works, such as refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45).

It is not the case that 1 John 3:4 limits sin and righteous or sinful works to obedience or disobedience to the just ten of God's commandments, but rather sin is disobedience to any of God's commandments, and it is not as though someone can still be righteous while living in disobedience to God's other commandments like those against rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth. Breaking any law makes someone a lawbreaker and in need of repentance.

 

[101G]

To all,
As newborn babes in Christ we are to LEARN the Way of God who in our Example is God Himself who came in flesh, the Lord Jesus. no newborn comes walking, talking and eating solid food straight from its mother womb. nor just after a few years go straight into the pulpit preaching, or on the door ushering, or singing in the choir. sorry, that's a pipe dream. this is why we have human Parents to help up to learn these things while we .... "GROW UP". as in the Natural so likewise in the Spirit. our Father is out helper in Teaching HIM. if this righteousness or Holiness of God is an instance, or one time deal, why have the comforter, or a Mediator, or an advocate? and why give us, Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" Ephesians 4:12 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

well now..... if you're already PERFECT why need these? yes we're SAINT, but we need perfecting. we're not the finish product .... yet.

101G.