synergy
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or he needs a new prescription of glasses.
Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh
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What does THROUGH mean to you. That Jesus did it or another did it?
synergy
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To me it means that at the very least Jesus was involved in the creation of everything created. That means Jesus is uncreated otherwise he would have needed to create himself which makes no sense whatsoever. That's why the Arian JW heresy is built on nonsense like that.
Johann
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Correct
John 1:3 (NASB)
"All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being."
1 Corinthians 8:6 (NASB)
"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him."
Colossians 1:16 (NASB)
"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible... all things have been created through Him and for Him."
Hebrews 1:2 (NASB)
"...in these last days spoke to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world."
Hebrews 1:10 (NASB)
"You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands."
J.
Yes He is included in Gen 1:26=US= Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30) but at Gen 1:27 is clear-HE( 1 single being created) Prov 8:27-28-HE created, not we created. Jesus is the one who was by Gods side during creation, Jehovah created all other things-THROUGH his master worker. He created the master worker first, direct. The Hebrew word used= possessed at Prov 8:22 translates created. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation( Col 1:15)
synergy
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Again, since at the very least Jesus was involved in the creation of everything then that means Jesus is uncreated. To say he was created would mean that he would need to create himself which makes no sense whatsoever. That's why the Arian JW heresy is built on nonsense like that.
It those Calvinist lenses he has on.
Jesus is the one who was beside God during creation=100% fact==Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)--Possessed at 8:22 = created-look it up.
He created( Gen 1:27-Prov 8:27-28= 1 being created, yes through his master worker. Yes Jesus is that agent= created. The Hebrew word translated Possessed at Prov 8:22 means created look it up.
synergy
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If you believe John 1:3 then would you agree that to say that Jesus was created that would mean that he would need to create himself, which makes no sense whatsoever? That's why the Arian JW heresy is built on nonsense like that.
Sorry but
John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
Shows he is uncreated.
Sorry, neither Jesus or the word are mentioned in that verse
And you have a god that lacks wisdom
this shows he was uncreated
John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
Hello
Yes the errors are shoved down your throat over Gods truth. By usage of altered and error filled translations. All using them will-LOSE.
Um it's your error which denies scripture
John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
And posits a god who lacks wisdom
You will be shown different.-Through means another created-He means 1 being did the creating= Jehovah. He did it THROUGH his master worker.
You skipped over the point
John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
Shows he was uncreated.
I didn't miss the point, its error--you do NOT want to find out the hard way. I showed you bible truth on the matter. What i shared with you contradicts what you believe of error. There are no contradictions in Gods bible, but there are errors in the altered translations= 100% fact.
Sorry, it's scripture
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
The error is your doctrine which denies scripture.
