Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation= created. All creation occurred at the beginning-0 doubt. You listen to blind guides lead by darkness. Mislead to not enter Gods kingdom--you best relook.
Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh
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Refers to pre-eminence over all creationCollosians 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation= created.
for
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
he created everything thus had to be himself uncreated
To also be noted firstborn is not first created
Exodus 4:22 (LEB) — 22 And you must say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.”
Was Israel the first created thing
1 Chronicles 5:1 (LEB) — 1 The sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel (for he was the firstborn, but when he defiled the couch of his father, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph, the son of Israel, so that he was not enrolled in the genealogy as the firstborn,
Reuben was removed from his position as the firstborn
Jeremiah 31:9 (LEB) — 9 With weeping they will come, and with pleas for mercy I will bring them; I will let them walk by streams of water in a straight path. They will not stumble in it, for I have become to Israel a father, and Ephraim, he is my firstborn.”
Or was Ephraim the first created of God
Your understanding of the term is defective
Sorry but you show your lack of biblical understanding once againJesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation= created. All creation occurred at the beginning-0 doubt. You listen to blind guides lead by darkness. Mislead to not enter Gods kingdom--you best relook.
Refers to pre-eminence over all creationCollosians 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation= created.
for
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
he created everything thus had to be himself uncreated
To also be noted firstborn is not first created
Exodus 4:22 (LEB) — 22 And you must say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.”
Was Israel the first created thing...
Says the darkness because truth exposes them.Refers to pre-eminence over all creation
for
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
he created everything thus had to be himself uncreated
To also be noted firstborn is not first created
Exodus 4:22 (LEB) — 22 And you must say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.”
Was Israel the first created thing
1 Chronicles 5:1 (LEB) — 1 The sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel (for he was the firstborn, but when he defiled the couch of his father, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph, the son of Israel, so that he was not enrolled in the genealogy as the firstborn,
Reuben was removed from his position as the firstborn
Jeremiah 31:9 (LEB) — 9 With weeping they will come, and with pleas for mercy I will bring them; I will let them walk by streams of water in a straight path. They will not stumble in it, for I have become to Israel a father, and Ephraim, he is my firstborn.”
Or was Ephraim the first created of God
Your understanding of the term is defective
Exodus says nothing about the firstborn of all creation. It refers to being Gods chosen as long as they obeyed.Sorry but you show your lack of biblical understanding once again
Refers to pre-eminence over all creationCollosians 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation= created.
for
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
he created everything thus had to be himself uncreated
To also be noted firstborn is not first created
Exodus 4:22 (LEB) — 22 And you must say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.”
Was Israel the first created thing...
Through him and for him= another( Jehovah) did the creating-through him, Jesus=Gods master worker.Sorry but you show your lack of biblical understanding once again
Refers to pre-eminence over all creationCollosians 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation= created.
for
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
he created everything thus had to be himself uncreated
To also be noted firstborn is not first created
Exodus 4:22 (LEB) — 22 And you must say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.”
Was Israel the first created thing...
Indicating Christ/the word was involved in the creation of all things, and so he himself is uncreatedThrough him and for him= another( Jehovah) did the creating-through him, Jesus=Gods master worker.
The scripture is not your friend
It clearly shows the term firstborn does not mean first createdExodus says nothing about the firstborn of all creation. It refers to being Gods chosen as long as they obeyed.
Why did you ignore that when your argument required such?
To also be noted firstborn is not first created
Exodus 4:22 (LEB) — 22 And you must say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.”
The fact you cannot actually rebut what was postedSays the darkness because truth exposes them.
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
he created everything thus had to be himself uncreated
To also be noted firstborn is not first created
Exodus 4:22 (LEB) — 22 And you must say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Yahweh, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.”
Was Israel the first created thing
1 Chronicles 5:1 (LEB) — 1 The sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel (for he was the firstborn, but when he defiled the couch of his father, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph, the son of Israel, so that he was not enrolled in the genealogy as the firstborn,
Reuben was removed from his position as the firstborn
Jeremiah 31:9 (LEB) — 9 With weeping they will come, and with pleas for mercy I will bring them; I will let them walk by streams of water in a straight path. They will not stumble in it, for I have become to Israel a father, and Ephraim, he is my firstborn.”
Or was Ephraim the first created of God
Your understanding of the term is defective
Shows the darkness is yours in following the Watchtower
Firstborn of all creation--The term all creation proves 100% to any who understand English it occurred at the beginning . Ones lead by darkness cannot understand English.Indicating Christ/the word was involved in the creation of all things, and so he himself is uncreated
The scripture is not your friend
Gods chosen people is the meaning of Exodus. It says 0 about all creation.It clearly shows the term firstborn does not mean first created
Why did you ignore that when your argument required such?
Sorry to see you will not listen to Gods truth. You can never say God didn't try for your behalf.The fact you cannot actually rebut what was posted
Shows the darkness is yours in following the Watchtower
If you had the truth, you would be able to address the scriptures posted. All you have, however is watchtower rhetoric.Sorry to see you will not listen to Gods truth. You can never say God didn't try for your behalf.
Which shows the term firstborn does not mean first created.Gods chosen people is the meaning of Exodus. It says 0 about all creation.
So why do you ignore the fact that the term is not supporting your doctrine?
Sorry the key term argued over is firstborn. It has been established, it does not mean first created.Firstborn of all creation--The term all creation proves 100% to any who understand English it occurred at the beginning . Ones lead by darkness cannot understand English.
If I say Jehovah is the ruler of creation it does not make Jehovah a part of the creation
And in fact the Word created all things
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being;
thus he is shown to be uncreated.
So why don't you come out the darkness of the watchtower society and believe scripture
When the term all creation is used= created.Which shows the term firstborn does not mean first created.
So why do you ignore the fact that the term is not supporting your doctrine?
A 10 year old who understands English knows 100% if something is done-THROUGH another= another did it and not that one.Sorry the key term argued over is firstborn. It has been established, it does not mean first created.
If I say Jehovah is the ruler of creation it does not make Jehovah a part of the creation
And in fact the Word created all things
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being;
thus he is shown to be uncreated.
So why don't you come out the darkness of the watchtower society and believe scripture
You put your life everlasting into Catholicism translating errors=100% fact.
That same 10-year-old is able to figure if all things were created through that one, then that one is uncreated.A 10 year old who understands English knows 100% if something is done-THROUGH another= another did it and not that one.
You put your life everlasting into Catholicism translating errors=100% fact.
Why can't you?
Jehovah is over all creation.When the term all creation is used= created.
Does that mean he is created ?
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning=1+1=2 he was created first.That same 10-year-old is able to figure if all things were created through that one, then that one is uncreated.
Why can't you?
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