You can find truth now or when Jehovah shows the world its to late--Do you understand that? Ezekial about 20x--They will have to know i am Jehovah.
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Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh
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You failed to address the scriptural factYou can find truth now or when Jehovah shows the world its to late--Do you understand that? Ezekial about 20x--They will have to know i am Jehovah.
The Word was involved in the creation of all created things
So he could not be Michael and your doctrine propagates error
BTW your kingdom interlinear shows as much
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Seeing as you ignore scriptural fact you do not have truth
Prov 8:22 is speaking of WisdomProv 8:22=Produced me as the beginning of your way( creating)= the firstborn of all creation= the one who was beside( 8:30) God( Master worker) whom God became especially fond of--Error translations have possessed me as the Beginning=makes 0 sense. See 8:27-28=HE ( not we) created. He = a single being, the one whom did the creating-THROUGH his master worker( Jesus)=YHVH(Jehovah) the true living God is the creator of all things.
But I guess you believe God was once without wisdom
The word was uncreated for all things that came into being came into being through him
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:16–17 (NASB95) — 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
So before anything came into being the word was and all things are held together in him
He can only be Jehovah
Yes Jehovah created all things THROUGH his master worker Jesus.You failed to address the scriptural fact
The Word was involved in the creation of all created things
So he could not be Michael and your doctrine propagates error
BTW your kingdom interlinear shows as much
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Seeing as you ignore scriptural fact you do not have truth
Jesus became wisdom- 1Cor 1:30--Jesus is Gods master worker.Prov 8:22 is speaking of Wisdom
But I guess you believe God was once without wisdom
The word was uncreated for all things that came into being came into being through him
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:16–17 (NASB95) — 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
So before anything came into being the word was and all things are held together in him
He can only be Jehovah
Your first problem. You ignoredJesus became wisdom- 1Cor 1:30--Jesus is Gods master worker.
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:16 (NASB95) — 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Your second problem
1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB95) — 30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
The verse does not identify jesus as the wisdom of proverb but as the evangelical wisdom through whom we gain knowledge of
righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
You ignored the context.
Thirdly You never responded to this
If wisdom came into being was there a time God was without wisdom?
Seeing as Christ was used by God to create everything he could not have been createdYes Jehovah created all things THROUGH his master worker Jesus.
Hello
He could not exist to create himself
All things fit into one of two categories
The created and the uncreated
That which exists and was not created is eternal
God alone fits in the uncreate eternal category, but the word was not created as he was used to create all things
Christ thus fits into the category of God which John does acknowledge but your theology denies contrary to john.
Yes through him= Jehovah created it all-through his master worker, except his master worker= the firstborn of all creation= the one who was by Gods side during creation of all other things as explained at Proverbs 8-HE( not we) created.Your first problem. You ignored
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:16 (NASB95) — 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Your second problem
1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB95) — 30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
The verse does not identify jesus as the wisdom of proverb but as the evangelical wisdom through whom we gain knowledge of
righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
You ignored the context.
Thirdly You never responded to this
If wisdom came into being was there a time God was without wisdom?
Prov 8:22-25-Produced me as the beginning of your way( the firstborn of all creation)--error bibles has possessed me.--Its why the bible writers assure-the Father is Jesus' God, just as Jesus assures it( John 20:17, Rev 3:12)--Col 1:3,,2Cor 1:3--Eph 1:3--1Pet 1:3Seeing as Christ was used by God to create everything he could not have been created
Hello
He could not exist to create himself
All things fit into one of two categories
The created and the uncreated
That which exists and was not created is eternal
God alone fits in the uncreate eternal category, but the word was not created as he was used to create all things
Christ thus fits into the category of God which John does acknowledge but your theology denies contrary to john.
Still positing wisdom not the word, further your argument requires that God was once without wisdomProv 8:22-25-Produced me as the beginning of your way( the firstborn of all creation)--error bibles has possessed me.--Its why the bible writers assure-the Father is Jesus' God, just as Jesus assures it( John 20:17, Rev 3:12)--Col 1:3,,2Cor 1:3--Eph 1:3--1Pet 1:3
While Wisdom is feminine and lives with prudence another feminine thing
while you ignore
Seeing as Christ was used by God to create everything, he could not have been created
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
Hello
He could not exist to create himself
All things fit into one of two categories
The created and the uncreated
That which exists and was not created is eternal
God alone fits in the uncreate eternal category, but the word was not created as he was used to create all things
Christ thus fits into the category of God which John does acknowledge but your theology denies contrary to john.
That is Wisdom not the WordYes through him= Jehovah created it all-through his master worker, except his master worker= the firstborn of all creation= the one who was by Gods side during creation of all other things as explained at Proverbs 8-HE( not we) created.
and your ignore clear New Testament scriptures
John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
And you need Col 1:15 to say first created not firstborn
firstborn just shows pre-eminence
A pre-eminence because
Colossians 1:16–17 (NIV) — 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
He created everything
Jesus is wisdom personified.Still positing wisdom not the word, further your argument requires that God was once without wisdom
While Wisdom is feminine and lives with prudence another feminine thing
while you ignore
Seeing as Christ was used by God to create everything, he could not have been created
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
Hello
He could not exist to create himself
All things fit into one of two categories
The created and the uncreated
That which exists and was not created is eternal
God alone fits in the uncreate eternal category, but the word was not created as he was used to create all things
Christ thus fits into the category of God which John does acknowledge but your theology denies contrary to john.
Then how do you explain that Jesus would have fell out of the Fathers love if he did not obey him?( John 15:10-14)
Is that written in the bible or just in your theology?Jesus is wisdom personified.
Then how do you explain that Jesus would have fell out of the Fathers love if he did not obey him?( John 15:10-14)
So according you God was once without wisdom, and the Word was a female who lived with another female prudence.
Your twisting of things has you mislead.Is that written in the bible or just in your theology?
So according you God was once without wisdom, and the Word was a female who lived with another female prudence.
Everyone knows it was Jesus who was by Gods side during the creation( Prov 8:30)
Why did you fail to address this?Your twisting of things has you mislead.
Everyone knows it was Jesus who was by Gods side during the creation( Prov 8:30)
Is that written in the bible or just in your theology?
So according you God was once without wisdom, and the Word was a female who lived with another female prudence.
And never mind the fact Jesus/the Word is never mentioned is
UMYour twisting of things has you mislead.
Everyone knows it was Jesus who was by Gods side during the creation( Prov 8:30)
In addition to all the other problems with your understanding are these translations
(MLV2021) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of long-ago.
(ACV) LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(RHB18TL)
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
(AFV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
(AKJV-R) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(ARV 2005) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(ASV) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old.
(VW) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of His way; His works from antiquity.
(Bishops) The Lorde him selfe had me in possession in the beginning of his wayes, or euer he began his workes aforetime.
(CEV) From the beginning, I was with the LORD. I was there before he began
(CGV) YHWH possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old.
(Darby) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(Douay-Rheims) The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his ways, before he made any thing from the beginning.
(DRB) The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his ways, before he made any thing from the beginning.
(JB2000) ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(ERV) "The LORD made me in the beginning, long before he did anything else.
(ESV) “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.
(ERRB) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before in his works of old ancient deeds .
(Geneva) The Lord hath possessed me in the beginning of his way: I was before his workes of olde.
(GW) "The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works.
(ISV) "The LORD made me as he began his planning, before his ancient activity commenced.
(LITV-TSP) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of His way, from then, before His works.
(JUB) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(KJ2000) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(KJ3) Jehovah possessed Me in the beginning of His way, from then, before His works.
(AKJV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(BSV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(BSB) The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His work, before His deeds of old.
(Cepher) Yahuah possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(EHV) The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his way, before his works of long ago.
(EWG) Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way,
Before his works of old.
(HBIE) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, [1]
Before his works of old.
(HRB) YAHWEH possessed me in the beginning of His way, from then, before His works.
(IAV) YY possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(KJV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(LEB) "Yahweh possessed me, the first of his ways, before his acts of old.
(LHB) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(LSB) “Yahweh possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His deeds of old.
(LSV) YHWH possessed me—the beginning of His way, ‖ Before His works since then.
(NAS95) "The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.
(NHEBJE) "Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his work, before his deeds of old.
(NKJV) "The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.
(OJB) Hashem possessed me in the reshit of His derech, before His works of old.
(Rev. Webster+) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(RNKJV) YHWH possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(RV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(The Disciple's Bible) Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way,
Before his works of old.
(MSTC) "The LORD himself had me in possession in the beginning of his ways, before he began his works afore time.
(TKB) possessed Me in the beginning of His work, before His deeds of old.
(KJV-1611) The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(KJVA) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(LITV) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of His way, from then, before His works.
(MKJV) Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
(MLV2017) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of long-ago.
(MLV2019) Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of long-ago.
(NAS77) "The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.
(TPT) “In the beginning I was there, for God possessed me even before he created the universe.
(TS2009) “יהוה possessed me, The beginning of His way, As the first of His works of old.
(UKJV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(UPDV) Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old.
(WEB) “Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his work, before his deeds of old.
(Webster) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(WoY) Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(YLT) Jehovah possessed me—the beginning of His way, Before His works since then.
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