Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh

[Keiw1]

You are one confused puppy.

You can't prove a single word is error, nor can any bible scholar on Earth.

 

[Keiw1]

Oh the Jehovah's Witness scam translation.

Gods corrected version the way he willed it with his name in over 7000 places where he wants it and satan doesn't want it. Thus all are showing the true God whose will they support by the translation they use. In light of Matt 7:21--one BETTER be doing Jesus' Fathers will in all their choices.
Example of the misleading the altered translations do= Joel 2:21-22= All who call on the name of Jehovah will be saved( LORD in the altered versions) quoted 2x in the NT-Acts 2:21-Rom 10:13--Thus Lord at both of those spots against Jesus' Fathers will in the altered translations, and since 1Cor 8:6 says Jesus is Lord( not God)-the mislead are told and believe its Jesus' name to be called upon when in reality its Jehovah's name that is to be called upon to be saved, thus they will lose, all because they refuse to stand up for Jesus' Fathers will and use a real translation with Jehovah's name in over 7000 places. Instead the blind guides who lead them tell them the real bible is crap even though there is 100% proof the name Jehovah belongs in over 7000 places by Jesus' Fathers will. And they know its fact.

 

[TomL]

In error translations has God to the Word when god is correct, another simple proof= the second line at John 1:1, in simple trinity English it reads--And God( Word) was with God--is that not more than 1 God?

You completely ignored all that was posted

John 1:1–3 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:1–3 is a profound theological statement that has deep implications concerning Christ.

1. Christ’s Eternal Nature – The passage begins with "In the beginning was the Word." This echoes Genesis 1:1, showing that Christ (the Word) existed before creation. This means He is eternal and not a created being.
2. Christ’s Relationship with God – "The Word was with God." This phrase indicates a personal distinction between Christ and God the Father, yet an intimate relationship. It shows that Christ has always existed alongside God.
3. Christ’s Divinity – "The Word was God." This is one of the clearest declarations of Christ’s divine nature. He is fully God, not just a representative or prophet—He shares the very essence of God.
4. Christ’s Role in Creation – "All things came into being through Him." This makes it clear that Christ was the active force in creation. He is not just present at the beginning—He is the Creator. Everything that exists owes its existence to Him.
5. Christ’s Authority and Power – Since all things were created through Him and nothing exists apart from Him, Christ holds absolute authority over creation. This reinforces His sovereignty over the universe and His ability to redeem and restore it.

These verses set the foundation for understanding Christ’s identity, His relationship with God the Father, and His role in the world. They also establish a strong basis for the doctrine of the Trinity—where Christ is distinct from the Father but is still fully God.

Point # 1 refutes your theology by itself

All things came into being through Christ, so he is not a part of creation.

All that existed before creation is God and eternal. There is but one God that can exist before creation.

Christ must not be a god which would an affirmation of polytheism but he must be God in the same sense as the God he is stated to be with

How do you have two Gods or God and a god before anything else existed and not be considered a polytheist?

 

[TomL]

Gods corrected version the way he willed it with his name in over 7000 places where he wants it and satan doesn't want it. Thus all are showing the true God whose will they support by the translation they use. In light of Matt 7:21--one BETTER be doing Jesus' Fathers will in all their choices.
Example of the misleading the altered translations do= Joel 2:21-22= All who call on the name of Jehovah will be saved( LORD in the altered versions) quoted 2x in the NT-Acts 2:21-Rom 10:13--Thus Lord at both of those spots against Jesus' Fathers will in the altered translations, and since 1Cor 8:6 says Jesus is Lord( not God)-the mislead are told and believe its Jesus' name to be called upon when in reality its Jehovah's name that is to be called upon to be saved, thus they will lose, all because they refuse to stand up for Jesus' Fathers will and use a real translation with Jehovah's name in over 7000 places. Instead the blind guides who lead them tell them the real bible is crap even though there is 100% proof the name Jehovah belongs in over 7000 places by Jesus' Fathers will. And they know its fact.

Bottomline the Greek text does not support your position

Romans 10:9–13 (NASB95) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”


In the context, Paul has already affirmed Jesus is Lord and notes confession of it is saving

And you have no manuscripts which actually read Jehovah at Romans 10:13


And even your own Kingdom interlinear reads



So all you are doing is hiding what Paul wants us to know and adding to scripture

 

[TomL]

Prove to us Fred--That its not Jesus' voice-1Thess 4:16
Prove to us Fred that When Michael stands up for Gods chosen( Dan 12:1) during these last days its not as Gods appointed king.
Prove to us Fred that Rev 6:2 is not the war in Heaven and the birth of Gods kingdom.( both events explained at Rev 12) Michael took that ride, yet gets the crown. Did you miss the fact that its Jesus God appointed as king?
I know you can't prove a word above wrong so why are you laughing?

Prove it, then you can laugh, otherwise your own judgement is in your face and the last laugh will be on you, but it won't be so funny. The bible describes it as weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Um Michael is but one of the chief princes

Daniel 10:13 (LEB) — 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia stood before me for twenty-one days. And look, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to assist me, and I left him there beside the king of the Persians.

Who do you know was like the Word/Jesus Christ who created everything that was created

Forget your JW doctrine and get your doctrine from scripture

 

[Keiw1]

You completely ignored all that was posted



How do you have two Gods or God and a god before anything else existed and not be considered a polytheist?

You ignore truth and believe the errors.

 

[Keiw1]

Bottomline the Greek text does not support your position

Romans 10:9–13 (NASB95) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”


In the context, Paul has already affirmed Jesus is Lord and notes confession of it is saving

And you have no manuscripts which actually read Jehovah at Romans 10:13


And even your own Kingdom interlinear reads

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So all you are doing is hiding what Paul wants us to know and adding to scripture

You must live under a rock. The divine name kjv put Gods name back in the NT where it belongs because there is 100% proof that it belongs. Jerome told the Catholic leader in the 4th century Gods name belongs in the NT.

 

[Keiw1]

Um Michael is but one of the chief princes

Daniel 10:13 (LEB) — 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia stood before me for twenty-one days. And look, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to assist me, and I left him there beside the king of the Persians.

Who do you know was like the Word/Jesus Christ who created everything that was created

Forget your JW doctrine and get your doctrine from scripture

Archangel= THE chief angel.

 

[MTMattie]

Archangel= THE chief angel.

Which of the 7 is the chief?

There are 7 archangels....

How Many Archangels Are There in the Bible?
The number of Archangels remains a subject of debate, primarily because the current version of the Bible only mentions Michael as an archangel. However, other ancient texts provide additional insights. For instance, The Book of Psalms in the Hebrew Bible mentions four Archangels: Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, and Uriel. In the Book of Enoch, Chapter 20, seven holy angels are referenced, often regarded as the seven archangels: Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Sariel, Raguel, and Remiel.

BTW Enoch is fascinating if you get the right translation.

The Seven Archangels: Names and Meanings
Name............. Meaning......................................Angel of

Michael......... He who is as God.................... The Warrior Angel
Raphael..........God heals .................................. The Healing Angel
Gabriel............God is my strength..................The Messenger Angel
Jophiel.............Beauty of God...........................The Angel o f Beauty
Ariel..................Lion of God.................................The Angel of Nature
Azrael...............Whom God helps.................... The Angel of Death
Chamuel..........He who sees God....................The Angel of Peaceful Relationships

 

[Keiw1]

Which of the 7 is the chief?

There are 7 archangels....

How Many Archangels Are There in the Bible?
The number of Archangels remains a subject of debate, primarily because the current version of the Bible only mentions Michael as an archangel. However, other ancient texts provide additional insights. For instance, The Book of Psalms in the Hebrew Bible mentions four Archangels: Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, and Uriel. In the Book of Enoch, Chapter 20, seven holy angels are referenced, often regarded as the seven archangels: Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Sariel, Raguel, and Remiel.

BTW Enoch is fascinating if you get the right translation.

The Seven Archangels: Names and Meanings
Name............. Meaning......................................Angel of

Michael......... He who is as God.................... The Warrior Angel
Raphael..........God heals .................................. The Healing Angel
Gabriel............God is my strength..................The Messenger Angel
Jophiel.............Beauty of God...........................The Angel o f Beauty
Ariel..................Lion of God.................................The Angel of Nature
Azrael...............Whom God helps.................... The Angel of Death
Chamuel..........He who sees God....................The Angel of Peaceful Relationships

In Gods 66 books only Michael is called archangel.

 

[TomL]

Archangel= THE chief angel.

Did you read the text?

Um Michael is but one of the chief princes

Daniel 10:13 (LEB) — 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia stood before me for twenty-one days. And look, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to assist me, and I left him there beside the king of the Persians.

Who do you know was like the Word/Jesus Christ who created everything that was created

You did not answer the question.

 

[TomL]

You must live under a rock. The divine name kjv put Gods name back in the NT where it belongs because there is 100% proof that it belongs. Jerome told the Catholic leader in the 4th century Gods name belongs in the NT.

Sorry you have no evidence it belongs at Romans 10:13 and even your own interlinear does not put it there

Bottomline the Greek text does not support your position

Romans 10:9–13 (NASB95) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”


In the context, Paul has already affirmed Jesus is Lord and notes confession of it is saving

And you have no manuscripts which actually read Jehovah at Romans 10:13


And even your own Kingdom interlinear reads

View attachment 1684

So all you are doing is hiding what Paul wants us to know and adding to scripture

 

[TomL]

You ignore truth and believe the errors.

You failed to prove error

Your doctrine contradicts john who shows the word created everything that was made, was the source of life, and the true light.
Things that are only true of Jehovah.

 

[Keiw1]

Did you read the text?

Um Michael is but one of the chief princes

Daniel 10:13 (LEB) — 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia stood before me for twenty-one days. And look, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to assist me, and I left him there beside the king of the Persians.

Who do you know was like the Word/Jesus Christ who created everything that was created

You did not answer the question.

He is still the only archangel= chief of all the angels. He is #2 in command.

 

[Keiw1]

Sorry you have no evidence it belongs at Romans 10:13 and even your own interlinear does not put it there

Bottomline the Greek text does not support your position

Romans 10:9–13 (NASB95) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”


In the context, Paul has already affirmed Jesus is Lord and notes confession of it is saving

And you have no manuscripts which actually read Jehovah at Romans 10:13


And even your own Kingdom interlinear reads

View attachment 1684

So all you are doing is hiding what Paul wants us to know and adding to scripture

Joel 2:21-22 is quoted at Rom 10:13--100% for sure the name belongs. You best look up the proof. I already shared with you 3 sources of proof that the divine name kjv used. Its obvious to all including God that life everlasting isn't worth you being bothered to look up facts.

 

[Keiw1]

You failed to prove error

Your doctrine contradicts john who shows the word created everything that was made, was the source of life, and the true light.
Things that are only true of Jehovah.

John is 100% clear. Things were created-THROUGH- Jesus--100% fact that is another created all things.

 

[TomL]

John is 100% clear. Things were created-THROUGH- Jesus--100% fact that is another created all things.

Which indicates The word was uncreated - Hello

Before any created thing began to exist the word was.

Thus, he was not Michael and your doctrine is an error.

 

[TomL]

Joel 2:21-22 is quoted at Rom 10:13--100% for sure the name belongs. You best look up the proof. I already shared with you 3 sources of proof that the divine name kjv used. Its obvious to all including God that life everlasting isn't worth you being bothered to look up facts.

Afraid not

Suppose Paul was inspired to identify Jesus with Jehovah all you would be doing is hiding his intention and propagating your theology

Sorry you have no evidence it belongs at Romans 10:13 and even your own interlinear does not put it there

Bottomline the Greek text does not support your position

Romans 10:9–13 (NASB95) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”


In the context, Paul has already affirmed Jesus is Lord and notes confession of it is saving

And you have no manuscripts which actually read Jehovah at Romans 10:13


And even your own Kingdom interlinear reads

View attachment 1684

So all you are doing is hiding what Paul wants us to know and adding to scripture

 

[TomL]

He is still the only archangel= chief of all the angels. He is #2 in command.

Sorry Michael was created.

The Word was involved in the creation of all created things

So he could not be Michael and your doctrine propagates error

BTW your kingdom interlinear shows as much