Scripture teaches that Jesus was not involved in his resurrection

[Runningman]

Run .... How IGNORANT can you be. 101G will make it plain for you. Listen and Learn. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while the Lord Jesus in flesh, (Son/spirit), on earth, while speaking to a Pharisees, named Nicodemus, at the very same time he Jesus was in Heaven, (Father/Spirit)READ JOHN 3:13 AGAIN SO YOUR COMMON SENSE CAN KICK IN.

now since you could not tell us who the "I" was that sits on David throne. then you concede your argument. just as 101G thought

101G.

"Son of man" refers to being a human in the Bible. Jesus isn't literally a human from heaven. I am afraid you are still missing the point. Jesus didn't always speak directly about what his points were. Not everyone really understood it, but you can if you are open to it.

 

[101G]

"Son of man" refers to being a human in the Bible. Jesus isn't literally a human from heaven. I am afraid you are still missing the point. Jesus didn't always speak directly about what his points were. Not everyone really understood it, but you can if you are open to it.

Son of man refers to being a human in the Bible. Oh how gross Ignorant can one be. Listen and Learn, Son of man , (spirit), came out of Heaven, and the Son of God, (flesh bone and blood), which is Human came out of Mary. supportive scripture of both.

first, son of God, "BORN". Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

now, Son of Man, (which is not BORN, nor of flesh and blood, but is Given from Heaven). John 8:21 "Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come." John 8:22 "Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come." John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." did you get that Run? Jesus is NOT of this world.

John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." must we sing it to you? was this not prophesied? Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Run, Run, the Child is BORN, the Son of God, (flesh bone and with blood). a Son is GIVEN, (the spirit that was in that flesh, bone and blood ... BODY). my God Run did you not KNOW the difference of the Son of Man (Spirit), and the son of God, (flesh, bone and blood?). 101G guess you didn't know.

you need to LEARN before you try to speak on the things of God.

NOW ONE LAST DITCH EFFORT... to get you to understand... Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

the term "form" here is the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

The "NATURE" of God is "Spirit, per John 4:24a. BEING, (which is present tense), in the form/nature of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" ...... EQUAL "WITH" which implies the same one person.

my God this is too easy.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

Son of man refers to being a human in the Bible. Oh how gross Ignorant can one be. Listen and Learn, Son of man , (spirit), came out of Heaven, and the Son of God, (flesh bone and blood), which is Human came out of Mary. supportive scripture of both.

first, son of God, "BORN". Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

now, Son of Man, (which is not BORN, nor of flesh and blood, but is Given from Heaven). John 8:21 "Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come." John 8:22 "Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come." John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." did you get that Run? Jesus is NOT of this world.

John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." must we sing it to you? was this not prophesied? Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Run, Run, the Child is BORN, the Son of God, (flesh bone and with blood). a Son is GIVEN, (the spirit that was in that flesh, bone and blood ... BODY). my God Run did you not KNOW the difference of the Son of Man (Spirit), and the son of God, (flesh, bone and blood?). 101G guess you didn't know.

you need to LEARN before you try to speak on the things of God.

NOW ONE LAST DITCH EFFORT... to get you to understand... Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

the term "form" here is the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

The "NATURE" of God is "Spirit, per John 4:24a. BEING, (which is present tense), in the form/nature of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" ...... EQUAL "WITH" which implies the same one person.

my God this is too easy.

101G.

Since God is not a son of man, other humans and Jesus are a son of man, then son of man refers to being a human. Based on all precedent, Jesus coming from heaven as the son of man means he is not God and is a human.

Numbers 23:19 – "God is not a man, that He should lie,or a son of man,"
Job 25:6 – "a son of man, who is a worm!"
Job 35:8 – "only the sons of men"
Psalm 8:4 – "the son of man that You visit him?"
Psalm 80:17 – "the son of man whom You made strong"
Psalm 144:3 – "the son of man, that You take care of him?"
Psalm 146:3 – "nor in a son of man, in whom there is no help"
Isaiah 51:12 – "the son of man who will be made like grass?"
Isaiah 56:2 – "the son of man who lays hold on it"
Jeremiah 49:18 – "nor son of man dwell in it"
Jeremiah 49:33 – "nor any son of man dwell therein"
Jeremiah 50:40 – "nor son of man dwell there"
Jeremiah 51:43 – "nor son of man pass through it"

 

[101G]

Since God is not a son of man, other humans and Jesus are a son of man, then son of man refers to being a human. Based on all precedent, Jesus coming from heaven as the son of man means he is not God and is a human.

Numbers 23:19 – "God is not a man, that He should lie,or a son of man,"
Job 25:6 – "a son of man, who is a worm!"
Job 35:8 – "only the sons of men"
Psalm 8:4 – "the son of man that You visit him?"
Psalm 80:17 – "the son of man whom You made strong"
Psalm 144:3 – "the son of man, that You take care of him?"
Psalm 146:3 – "nor in a son of man, in whom there is no help"
Isaiah 51:12 – "the son of man who will be made like grass?"
Isaiah 56:2 – "the son of man who lays hold on it"
Jeremiah 49:18 – "nor son of man dwell in it"
Jeremiah 49:33 – "nor any son of man dwell therein"
Jeremiah 50:40 – "nor son of man dwell there"
Jeremiah 51:43 – "nor son of man pass through it"

so we can take this as you still have no KNOWEDGE of God. thought so. when you get the basic down .... then we might can talk.

good day.... 101G hope.

 

[Runningman]

so we can take this as you still have no KNOWEDGE of God. thought so. when you get the basic down .... then we might can talk.

good day.... 101G hope.

Your premises about Jesus not having a savior and "son of man" not meaning someone is a human have been shown to not work. You always make all of these flawed, convuluted arguments built on false premises. You can do better than that.

 

[101G]

Your premises about Jesus not having a savior and "son of man" not meaning someone is a human have been shown to not work. You always make all of these flawed, convuluted arguments built on false premises. You can do better than that.

GINOLJC, to all
Your first ERROR of the DAY. Why do the Lord Jesus need a savior? has he sinned? if so, book chapter and verse, and when you show the verse that the Lord Jesus sinned, then and only then will 101G shut up..... until then you LEARN.... fair enough?

now that verse where the Lord Jesus sinned and needs a savior.....

101G.

 

[Olde Tymer]

No one in the Bbile said Jesus resurrected himself. Means he isn't God and the Trinity is false.

The status of born-again Christians in God's family circle is that of an adopted child.
(Rom 8:15, Gal 4:5, Eph 1:15)

Jesus' status is many times more superior than theirs because he's in God's family
circle as a paternal child; in point of fact, as the supreme being's one and only
paternal child. (John 1:14 John 1:18 John 3:16, John 3:18, 1John 4:9)

Regardless of how people believe Jesus might've obtained his paternal status, and
regardless of whether his paternal status is actual or administrative, the status
entitles Jesus to be known as God's direct descendant-- a position whereby the
rules of heredity entitle Jesus to be known by his Father's name, which most
everybody knows is Jehovah, a.k.a. Yahweh. (cf. Heb 1:4-5)

Now if God was to actually father a direct descendant, the result would be as divine
as Himself just as when a man fathers a direct descendant, the result is as human
as himself. So then, in his status as God's direct descendant, Jesus is entitled to be
known as deity.

NOTE: According to Luke 1:31-33, the Word's incarnation has two paternal fathers,
the one divine and the other human, so that Jesus could speak of himself as deity
and he could speak of himself as mankind. I think quite a few Bible readers much
prefer him one way or the other, rather than both simultaneously. As someone fully
God and fully Man, the Word's incarnation can be a mite confusing at times.

Having a foot in both worlds gives Jesus a couple of amazing advantages. On the
one foot he's entitled to God's throne, and on the other foot he's entitled to David's
throne so that one day he'll be the supreme man on Earth just as he's now the
supreme man in Heaven.
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[Olde Tymer]

.
● Isa 52:13 . . Behold, My servant will prosper, he will be high and lifted up, and
greatly exalted.

In recognition for the unusual extent of his dedication to God and man, Phil 2:6-11
says God gave Jesus the name that is above every name. Well; those of us
schooled in the old testament know that the name above every name is spelled
with the four-letter tetragrammaton YHWH and/or YHVH.

The correct pronunciation is currently unknown. Sometimes it's pronounced
Yehovah, sometimes Jehovah, and sometimes Yahweh. The appellation is so sacred
among pious Jews that they make every effort to avoid speaking it except under
very special circumstances.

Anyway, because Jesus has that name, he is entitled to be worshipped and revered
by everyone up in the sky, everyone down on the ground, and everyone under the
ground, viz: the full round of nature; and then some, even the angels. (Heb 1:6)

I'd imagine there will be some very bitter folks who will resist bending the knee in
reverence to Jesus' name; nevertheless they will, and possibly by force if necessary
because the dignity of the name has to take priority over their personal feelings
about Jesus.
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[Olde Tymer]

No one in the Bbile said Jesus resurrected himself.

That is a very easy posit to refute merely by somebody proving the spirit of God
and the spirit of Christ are one and the self-same spirit, e.g. Rom 8:9-10 and
1Pet 3:18-20
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[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all
Your first ERROR of the DAY. Why do the Lord Jesus need a savior? has he sinned? if so, book chapter and verse, and when you show the verse that the Lord Jesus sinned, then and only then will 101G shut up..... until then you LEARN.... fair enough?

now that verse where the Lord Jesus sinned and needs a savior.....

101G.

Did Jesus pray to be saved in Hebrews 5:7. Yes or no.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

 

[Runningman]

That is a very easy posit to refute merely by somebody proving the spirit of God
and the spirit of Christ are one and the self-same spirit, e.g. Rom 8:9-10 and
1Pet 3:18-20
_

Neither of those say Jesus resurrected himself and neither of them say that the spirit of God and Christ are the same.

 

[Daniel]

No one in the Bbile said Jesus resurrected himself. Means he isn't God and the Trinity is false.

What Jesus said about his resurrection in John 2:19-21, he was simply being prophetic of what would happen to him. This is why John 2:22 is written in the passive voice, "When therefore he was raised from the dead..." to clarify that the subject "Jesus" did not perform the action of resurrection.

After Jesus died, no one said anything about Jesus being invovled in his resurrection. He was powerless to resurrect hismelf because he isn't God. Jesus begged and prayed to God to be saved from eternal death and God did it for him according to Acts 2:24, Hebrews 5:7, etc.

Jesus died, God did not die, God raised Jesus from the dead.

Acts 2:24​

"But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him."​

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Acts 2:32​

"God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it."​

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Acts 3:15​

"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this."​

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Acts 4:10​

"Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead..."​

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Acts 2:24​

"But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him."​

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Acts 2:32​

"God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it."​

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Acts 3:15​

"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this."​

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Acts 4:10​

"Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead..."​

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Acts 5:30​

"The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross."​

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Acts 10:40​

"But God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen."​

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Acts 13:30​

"But God raised him from the dead..."​

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Romans 4:24-25​

"...but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification."​

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Romans 6:4​

"...just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."​

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Romans 8:11​

"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you..."​

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Galatians 1:1​

"Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead..."​

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Ephesians 1:20​

"...he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms..."​

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Colossians 2:12​

"...you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead."​

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1 Thessalonians 1:10​

"...to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath."​

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1 Peter 1:21​

"Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him..."​

No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” John 10:18

Jesus has the power over life and death

Matthew 9:18-25
While He was saying these things to them, a synagogue official came and bowed down before Him, and said, “My daughter has just died; but come and lay Your hand on her, and she will live.” Jesus got up and began to follow him, and so did His disciples. And a woman who had been suffering from a hemorrhage for twelve years, came up behind Him and touched the fringe of His cloak.

Mark 5:22-42
One of the synagogue officials named Jairus *came up, and on seeing Him, *fell at His feet and *implored Him earnestly, saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death; please come and lay Your hands on her, so that she will get well and live.” And He went off with him; and a large crowd was following Him and pressing in on Him.

Luke 8:40-55
And as Jesus returned, the people welcomed Him, for they had all been waiting for Him. And there came a man named Jairus, and he was an official of the synagogue; and he fell at Jesus’ feet, and began to implore Him to come to his house; for he had an only daughter, about twelve years old, and she was dying. But as He went, the crowds were pressing against Him.

Matthew 28:1-7
Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow.

Mark 16:1-6
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen. They were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?”

Luke 24:1-8
But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Christ~s-Authority-Over-Death

 

[Scott]

The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a foundational event in Christian theology, one that affirms Jesus’ divinity, validates His claims, and secures the hope of eternal life for believers. However, a question arises: Who resurrected Jesus? The New Testament attributes the resurrection to various persons of the Godhead: the Father, Jesus Himself, and the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the Godhead provides a framework for understanding how the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each played a role in Jesus’ resurrection, showcasing the unity and cooperation within the Godhead. In this explanation, we will explore the role of each person in the Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, supported by references from the Bible.

Who resurrected Jesus? - BibleAsk

The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a foundational event in Christian theology, one that affirms Jesus’ divinity, validates His claims, and secures

bibleask.org

 

[Runningman]

No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” John 10:18

This means that Jesus had the power to receive his life again, i,e, be resurrected. Not the power to resurrect himself. Nothing in the Bible says Jesus resurrected himself.

Jesus has the power over life and death

Matthew 9:18-25
While He was saying these things to them, a synagogue official came and bowed down before Him, and said, “My daughter has just died; but come and lay Your hand on her, and she will live.” Jesus got up and began to follow him, and so did His disciples. And a woman who had been suffering from a hemorrhage for twelve years, came up behind Him and touched the fringe of His cloak.

Mark 5:22-42
One of the synagogue officials named Jairus *came up, and on seeing Him, *fell at His feet and *implored Him earnestly, saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death; please come and lay Your hands on her, so that she will get well and live.” And He went off with him; and a large crowd was following Him and pressing in on Him.

Luke 8:40-55
And as Jesus returned, the people welcomed Him, for they had all been waiting for Him. And there came a man named Jairus, and he was an official of the synagogue; and he fell at Jesus’ feet, and began to implore Him to come to his house; for he had an only daughter, about twelve years old, and she was dying. But as He went, the crowds were pressing against Him.

Matthew 28:1-7
Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow.

Mark 16:1-6
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen. They were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?”

Luke 24:1-8
But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Christ~s-Authority-Over-Death

Amen and Jesus received that power from God (John 17:2) but not the power to resurrect himself. No one said Jesus resurrected himself after he died. No one.

 

[Runningman]

The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a foundational event in Christian theology, one that affirms Jesus’ divinity, validates His claims, and secures the hope of eternal life for believers. However, a question arises: Who resurrected Jesus? The New Testament attributes the resurrection to various persons of the Godhead: the Father, Jesus Himself, and the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the Godhead provides a framework for understanding how the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each played a role in Jesus’ resurrection, showcasing the unity and cooperation within the Godhead. In this explanation, we will explore the role of each person in the Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, supported by references from the Bible.

Who resurrected Jesus? - BibleAsk

The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a foundational event in Christian theology, one that affirms Jesus’ divinity, validates His claims, and secures

bibleask.org

Except the Bible doesn't say Jesus resurrected himself. Read post #1 please.

 

[Scott]

Jesus is God.

IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Isa. 9:6.]
2 He was present originally with God.
3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.
4 In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.
5 And the Light shines on in the darkness, for the darkness has never overpowered it [put it out or absorbed it or appropriated it, and is unreceptive to it].
John 1:1–5


Jesus said to him, On the other hand, it is written also, You shall not tempt, test thoroughly, or try exceedingly the Lord your God.
Matthew 4:7

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time.

The most important reason that Jesus must be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world.

2 And He [that same Jesus Himself] is the propitiation (the atoning sacrifice) for our sins, and not for ours alone but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
1 John 2:2.

A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world. Then die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

21 For our sake He made Christ [virtually] to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become [endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of] the righteousness of God [what we ought to be, approved and acceptable and in right relationship with Him, by His goodness].
2 Co 5:21

 

[mikesw]

Except the Bible doesn't say Jesus resurrected himself. Read post #1 please.

For you, as a hyper-literalist, you cannot say Jesus did not resurrect himself (if we neglect John 2:19-21 for this discussion). You would need to have a verse saying "Jesus did not resurrect himself."

 

[Wholeheart]

Jesus was most definitely involved in His resurrection. He even invited the theft on the cross to be with Him.

 

[Runningman]

For you, as a hyper-literalist, you cannot say Jesus did not resurrect himself (if we neglect John 2:19-21 for this discussion). You would need to have a verse saying "Jesus did not resurrect himself."

It must sting to not have anything that says Jesus resurrected himself after he died. By all accounts, no one in the Bible believed what you do or said what you do. You are not one of the disciples nor would you fit in with them and the things they said. Don't you want to say what Jesus and all of the apostles said? Why are you so different from them? They have a different Lord and Father than you do.

 

[mikesw]

It must sting to not have anything that says Jesus resurrected himself after he died. By all accounts, no one in the Bible believed what you do or said what you do. You are not one of the disciples nor would you fit in with them and the things they said. Don't you want to say what Jesus and all of the apostles said? Why are you so different from them? They have a different Lord and Father than you do.

haha. Indeed I do not expect that people responded to what I believe or say because they said everything before me. You are a hyperliteralist except when you want to deny the divinity of Christ.