Salvation without believing PSA

[civic]

Who is the "one" among the Trinity who knew good and evil both?

Only Jesus experientially knew evil.

Thus Jesus had prepared the way to remedy Adam's sin.

All or none. The text says they have become like one if US plural knowing good and evil.

 

[Dizerner]

All or none.

Except it actually says "one."

I'm not married to it, but it does make sense.

 

[civic]

Except it actually says "one."

I'm not married to it, but it does make sense.

Does one mean singular there or does it mean one as in unity ? The oneness, unity of God. If it’s one singular then there is within the Godhead no omniscience shared within the Godhead . The Son would knows all things without the Father/ HS knowing all things.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Who is the "one" among the Trinity who knew good and evil both?

Only Jesus experientially knew evil.

Thus Jesus had prepared the way to remedy Adam's sin.

I don't understand what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

I don't see that Adam had Eternal Life before he sinned.

 

[Dizerner]

The Son would knows all things without the Father/ HS knowing all things.

His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. (Rev. 19:12 NKJ)

 

[Dizerner]

I don't see that Adam had Eternal Life before he sinned.

People seem to think the concept of "unconditional" is permanently wrapped into the concept of "eternal."

One is the quality the other is the quantity—eternal life is quality, living eternally is quantity.

If God said Adam would not die if he did not sin, that is, by definition, offering something eternal.

 

[civic]

His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. (Rev. 19:12 NKJ)

So you are saying the Father and Holy Spirit do not know the name ?

 

[Dizerner]

So you are saying the Father and Holy Spirit do not know the name ?

I'm saying nothing else but what the Bible says.

Are you changing it because of your presuppositions?

 

[civic]

I'm saying nothing else but what the Bible says.

Are you changing it because of your presuppositions?

You are quoting scripture and saying there is division within the Trinity. The same thing you do with PSA and Kenosis.

 

[Dizerner]

You are quoting scripture and saying there is division within the Trinity. The same thing you do with PSA and Kenosis.

Actually.

I'm literally just quoting Scripture.

You're the one who apparently doesn't like what it says?!

 

[civic]

Actually.

I'm literally just quoting Scripture.

You're the one who apparently doesn't like what it says?!

I love what it says as I use them against non trins all of the time to prove them wrong since Jesus did know the day or hour.

But there is a context , a solution and an answer to the dilemma or "apparent " contradictions on the surface by those who misuse those verses .

Just like those who misuse Isaiah 53 and Philippians 2 to support their unbiblical doctrines.

hope this helps !!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

People seem to think the concept of "unconditional" is permanently wrapped into the concept of "eternal."

One is the quality the other is the quantity—eternal life is quality, living eternally is quantity.

If God said Adam would not die if he did not sin, that is, by definition, offering something eternal.

Now we are getting somewhere.....

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Death preexisted Adam. It entered this world by sin. However, that doesn't establish the concept (or lack thereof) relative to Eternal Life.

1. Death preexisted Adam

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

2. The process of creation was progressive. The first day, second day, third day.......etc.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Where is the concept of Eternal life found in the narrative of Adam and Eve?

The only place we read such a reference deals with keeping man from Eternal life.

 

[Dizerner]

But there is a context , a solution and an answer to the dilemma or "apparent " contradictions on the surface by those who misuse those verses .

Your idea of "context" seems to be changing what it says.

Because your presuppositions apparently don't allow it.

How is that being honest with the text?

 

[Dizerner]

Where is the concept of Eternal life found in the narrative of Adam and Eve?

Because they wouldn't die unless they sinned.

That means they had it, otherwise they would die.

I just hope you don't think they had no free will choice—that makes God the author of sin.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Your idea of "context" seems to be changing what it says.

Because your presuppositions apparently don't allow it.

How is that being honest with the text?

Like is often found in the Incarnation, Christ submitted Himself to the experience of mankind in His Priestly work.

 

[civic]

Your idea of "context" seems to be changing what it says.

Because your presuppositions apparently don't allow it.

How is that being honest with the text?

God is all knowing.

Are you denying that too ?

 

[Dizerner]

Like is often found in the Incarnation, Christ submitted Himself to the experience of mankind in His Priestly work.

Yes, I agree.

Kenoo.

That's what the text literally says.

Some people can't allow the Bible to say what it says, they have to change it.

 

[Dizerner]

God is all knowing.

Are you denying that too ?

I'm saying what the text says.

I submit to the text, not your philosophy.

 

[civic]

Like is often found in the Incarnation, Christ submitted Himself to the experience of mankind in His Priestly work.

veiled His glory, identify as God ( self limited ) just as he did with the day/hour.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Because they wouldn't die unless they sinned.

That means they had it, otherwise they would die.

I just hope you don't think they had no free will choice—that makes God the author of sin.

As much as I've argued from freewill and you think I'm arguing against freewill?

God promised they would DIE when they sinned. Not that they wouldn't have died otherwise. The Scripture referenced tells us specifically that they had to take their own action to live forever. They must eat of the tree of life.