Romans 4:5 and the justification of the ungodly

It has EVERYTHING to do with "this."
The Bible records Yahweh's Redemptive history. From the first prophecy of Elohim's Redeemer in Genesis 3:15, to the separations of Yahweh's people from the rest of the Adamites beginning in Genesis 12 and then again in Genesis 17, and culminating with the creation of two ethnic peoples in Genesis 17 (Hebrew and non-Hebrew Gentiles) in which Yahweh set apart Abram the Hebrew and his eventual seed through Isaac, Jacob, and Jacob's twelve sons and their descendants all of which enjoy the blessings and covenant with Abraham. God has made no covenant with these non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.

Later, Yahweh continues with His people and their progressive redemption by delivering the children of Israel from their bondage in Egypt as stated in the dark prophecy to Abraham in Genesis 15. Here, Yahweh took His people into the desert, Made a companion covenant with them in which He gave them His Law for living and life as well as instructions directly related to His worship, and continued His Promise to send a Redeemer, Messiah, and King.

In time God kept His promises made to the children of Israel and sent their Redeemer, who was crucified, but that through this act of God has now been given the authority and the means upon which to finally save His Chosen people Israel. All this is historical and Biblical.

You post this passage and interpret it with a Gentile mindset, as though this letter is written to Gentile at Rome. It isn't. The oracles of God are given to His Covenant people, and this identifies Jews who have been baptized into the body of Christ through the Holy Spirit of Promise, a Holy Spirit Promised to Yahweh's people as per covenant.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:26–28.

The context of "those that love God" are to the Jews. In fact, Jewish Christians.
First thing to understand is that in Hebrew Scripture God calls His people "saints."
Second, the Greek text has the definite article in front of the word "called" making the "called" a specific group of people, in other words, the children of Israel who were called by Yahweh out of Egypt. The same "called" used of baby Jesus whom Yahweh called out of Egypt. Thus, all the discussion of the history of the Jewish people Saul brings up in his letter to Jewish Christians at Rome, all the discussion of their culture, Abraham, Moses, the Law, the Tabernacle, the prophets and their prophecies, the bringing up of Temple practices and everything having to do with Yahweh's planned and Promised redemption of His covenant people are described written in this letter things no hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentile would know. To understand all Saul writes about one would have to have a deep working knowledge of the Hebrews and their way of life, which is something Roman, Scythian, Greek Gentiles would not know.

I mentioned the history and the Biblical of Yahweh's covenants with this people, the apple of His eye, but you miss its teaching because you have been groomed and indoctrinated with an anti-biblical re-interpretation of the Hebrew covenants and the Hebrew Scriptures. Here's the gist of it. Let's see if the Word of God has any effect upon your mind.
From the garden Yahweh has spent six thousand years dealing with a certain group of people called the Hebrews/Jews. Yahweh has made covenant promises with this people all beginning with Abraham. Yahweh has enjoined this people in three salvation covenants, sent prophets, gave the His Law, and raised them up as though they are His only child, and they are. Yet, after all this time spent dealing with this people and finally taking them into a New Covenant - one made with the Hose of Israel - that once this New Covenant has been initiated and sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise that His first words in this covenant era of redemption of Israel are to hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Scythian, and Greek Gentiles???

LOL.

As I said, you need to bring your doctrine and beliefs in line with the historical and Biblical record of Yahweh's redemption of His CHOSEN people the Jews.
Shortly, the Times of the Gentiles will end, and Yahweh will turn His attention back to Israel, remove their blindness, send the two witnesses to lead them into ways of everlasting, and they will come to realize that the writings from Matthew to Revelation were meant for them, and Christ will pick up where He left off at the destruction of the Jewish Temple and began anew to rebuild His Church as per prophecy and covenant for Yahweh still has many prophecies and covenant particulars to fulfill towards His covenant people.
All that Gentile propaganda you've been indoctrinated in is dung when compared to the true historical and Biblical history of Yahweh's redemption of His covenant people the Jews.

THAT'S what it has to do with Romans 8:28, and all of Saul's letters to his Jewish Christian brethren. Stop reading the Bible with a Gentile mindset and, just maybe you'll come to the knowledge of the truth.
I said, maybe.
Nothing changes the fact verses 29-30 apply to those

Romans 8:28 (KJV 1900) — 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

who were in a loving relationship with God being connected by the adverbial conjunction for

Romans 8:29–30 (KJV 1900) — 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Verses 29-30 speak of those God knew in the past who had loved God

see also

Romans 11 (KJV 1900)
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

again those God knew in the past

Talking about a Jewish mindset does nothing to change those facts
 
They were Justified while being ungodly, unbelieving. The ungodly elect were Justified before God by Christ dying for them Rom 5:6-9

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
sorry that is not what the text states

Romans 4:5 (ESV) — 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Paul extols how the ungodly may be justified.

Through faith the ungodly may be justified

righteousness is imputed to those who believe

Romans 4:1–11 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
read scripture not your theology

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
sorry that is not what the text states

Romans 4:5 (ESV) — 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Paul extols how the ungodly may be justified.

Through faith the ungodly may be justified

righteousness is imputed to those who believe

Romans 4:1–11 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
read scripture not your theology

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
The elect are justified when ungodly and then they will be given faith to believe it.
 
The elect are justified when ungodly and then they will be given faith to believe it.
As usual you ignore the text

Romans 4:5 (ESV) — 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Paul extols how the ungodly may be justified.

Through faith the ungodly may be justified

righteousness is imputed to those who believe

Romans 4:1–11 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
read scripture not your theology

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
As usual you ignore the text

Romans 4:5 (ESV) — 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Paul extols how the ungodly may be justified.

Through faith the ungodly may be justified

righteousness is imputed to those who believe

Romans 4:1–11 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
read scripture not your theology

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
He is justifying the ungodly and then they will be given faith to believe it
 
The just shall live by faith, no justification then no faith
No faith no justification

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
No faith no justification

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
The just shall live by faith no justification no faith
 
The just shall live by faith no justification no faith
as usual you ignore scripture

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
as usual you ignore scripture

Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
The just shall live by faith, no justification then no believing, sorry
 
The just shall live by faith, no justification then no believing, sorry
why do you ignore scripture



Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
why do you ignore scripture



Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
The justified were justified when they were ungodly unbelievers
 
The justified were justified when they were ungodly unbelievers
Why do you disregard scripture

Acts 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.

Longing to Go to Rome

Rom. 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world.

Rom. 10:18 But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for
“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”

Rom. 16:25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—

Col. 1:5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and increasing—as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,

Col. 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
 
Nothing changes the fact verses 29-30 apply to those

Romans 8:28 (KJV 1900) — 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

who were in a loving relationship with God being connected by the adverbial conjunction for

Romans 8:29–30 (KJV 1900) — 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Verses 29-30 speak of those God knew in the past who had loved God

see also

Romans 11 (KJV 1900)
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

again those God knew in the past

Talking about a Jewish mindset does nothing to change those facts
The context are the Jews who are saved. It is they whom God foreknew in eternity before He created.
It is the Jewish Christians that love God through their conversion. Saul is not speaking of anyone else, not even Gentiles are the object of his words, but Jewish Christians, those are THE CALLED and SAINTS of God.

9 Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness;
And let thy saints shout for joy.
Psalms 132:9.

Israel.

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Dan. 7:17–18.

Israel.

9 O fear the LORD, ye his saints:
For there is no want to them that fear him.
Psalms 34:9.

Israel.

Now I'm repeating myself.
If you want to add to the Bible, go ahead. Nothing anyone here says will change that. Too much pride in Gentiles, too much arrogance. Well, at least I can say the truth was given to you and you'll instead hold the truth in unrighteousness. What you believe about God affects your relationship with God and given you can't see the truth I've posted concerning your Gentile heresy now I am free in my conscience.
Rots of ruck.
 
Why do you disregard scripture

Acts 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.

Longing to Go to Rome

Rom. 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world.

Rom. 10:18 But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for
“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”

Rom. 16:25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—

Col. 1:5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and increasing—as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,

Col. 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
The devout men are Jews who come to the Feast of Harvest from their homes in Gentile lands.
It was the remnant that returned to Israel. The majority stayed in Gentile lands like Assyrian or Babylon and places in-between.
Devout refers to proselytes and God-Fearers.
 
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