Revelation is for NOW, not the FUTURE?
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Are they?
It was written to seven first century churches dealing with issues they were soon to face. John tells us these things " must soon take place." Chater 1 verse 3, "For the time is near" and so on. That, of course, does not mean we cannot learn from their experiences.
civic
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So was Jesus return “ near “ , soon and we are still waiting for it to happen
Eternally-Grateful
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Most definitely.
the final beast of rome has not been defeated yet by the one who comes in the clouds.. thats but one
The abomination of desolation in the middle of the 70th week is another.
The great tribulation Jesus spoke of in matt 24 which was to occur AFTER the abomination of desolation.. and is only put to a stop when Christ returns, because of he did not. no flesh on earth would survive. is yet another related to daniel.
there is so much more
Eternally-Grateful
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another interpretation of (soon take place) is "quickly take place"
again, Non of the things mentioned after the seals are opened, have taken place until this day.
Selah
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My take?
The Book of Revelation, the final book of the New Testament, reveals a prophetic vision of the end times, revealing Christ's ultimate victory over evil. I believe God took John spiritually into the future (this is prophecy) and many of these events that John describes haven't happened yet, although if you watch closely, you’ll see how the world is changing and the days are certainly becoming more and more evil.
The Book of Revelation, the final book of the New Testament, reveals a prophetic vision of the end times, revealing Christ's ultimate victory over evil. I believe God took John spiritually into the future (this is prophecy) and many of these events that John describes haven't happened yet, although if you watch closely, you’ll see how the world is changing and the days are certainly becoming more and more evil.
atpollard
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Your definition of prophecy is flawed. Prophets of the OT very seldom offered announcements of future events. Far more often they offered a message FROM GOD to the PEOPLE. So even if you choose to view REVELATION as a 100% prophetic book, it is a flaw to assume that it MUST be a future prediction.
On top of that, the letter (REVELATION) opens with the word “apocalypse” in Greek (that is what “Revelation” means) and identifies it as a particular type of Hebrew literary style common from about 200 BC to 200 AD. Understanding what it is, tells us that it is a message of hidden spiritual meanings conveyed through symbolism common in the OT and other apocalyptic (revealing hidden meaning) literature. The classic example being Daniel’s statue with a hard of gold and feet of iron and clay … which was never literal, but symbolic of a succession of kingdoms.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Yes many do . But it so simple to prove whether one does or not .
Those who do not twist the scrips to mean something they dont mean .
You see the key is did we learn of men and their teachings .
Many have long learned under men who long ago twisted things .
Its why we have universalism , dispensastionalism , and a lot other isms .
IF anyone believes the bible is too hard to learn on their own
They already been programmed and deceived . You would be amazed
at what can happen when we regularly read and enjoy the scrips for ourselves .
Most dont know the bible that well at all . OH they know only cheat sheats and etc their pastor or etc
set up for them as they read it through their view .
But my oh my how suprised one would be IF they just start over FOR THEIR OWN selves .
You hear a teacher , a man or any saying
HEY you need greek , or hermes or whatever to be able to know the bible better . RUN .
YOU DONT .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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seems like many teachers had their own interpreations . why ya think we got tulip
why you think we got RCC
or JW , mormon or whatever else there is . TIS MEN THAT DID THIS .
TIME to bible up FOR OUR OWN SELVES . watch how simple and clear things would become . Hurry and never LOOK back .
Soon means quickly?
"The time is near" means at least 2000 years later?
How was it relevant to seven first century churches that no longer exist??
Dispensation nonsense.
Who is the beast?
Matthew 24 would occur before that generation passed away.
When He came to judge Jerusalem in the clouds? In the OT a reference to judgement? Yup. To usher in the age to come? Yup. To do away with the sacrificial system, yup.So was Jesus return “ near “ , soon and we are still waiting for it to happen
Selah
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It’s interesting that in the book of Daniel, Daniel was instructed to seal his writings until the end, allowing the wise to understand. In contrast, John was taken to and wrote from the end and beyond, as instructed by one of the seven angels.
Daniel 12:4 (KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Revelation 1:10-11 (KJV) 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Daniel 12:4 (KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Revelation 1:10-11 (KJV) 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Selah
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Yes, to usher in the age to come, the Millennium! That’ll be exciting! And then, after that thousand years, comes the Great White Throne Judgment and ETERNITY. What a wonderful time that’ll be!
The age to come has already arrived.
Eternally-Grateful
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Prophecy is a tool God uses to prove to those living at the time he is the one true God.
Prophecy is god telling us many years in advance what will happen. and when they do. The people who witness those things can know it was from God.
Prophecy stated that the messiah would come 69 weeks after the command to restore Jerusalem - it literally took place the day Jesus rode into Jerusalem riding on a donkey. fulfilling that very prophecy from Zech 9: 9
Prophecy said after this event, Messiah would be killed (again fulfilled)
prophecy then stated that the city and sanctuary will be destroyed by the people of a future prince would would later come fulfilled
Prophecy then states that that area will be under war desolations for an unknown period of time (still ongoing even today)
Prophecy states that prince will confirm a covenant for 1 week (not yet fulfilled)
Prophecy then states in the middle of that week, he will place the abomination which causes desolation in the wing of the temple
Prophecy then states that he will given a time on which to reign, but that time is limited.
You can;' have part of prophecy literally fulfilled. and not have the rest of it also literally fulfilled.
Eternally-Grateful
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to the people living in the time, it will be near.
Fact is it did not happen back then, so you tell me how to explain it?
Eternally-Grateful
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who is the beast? read Daniel 2 and Daniel 7. the final form of the 4th beast. The feet of Iron and clay. the Fourth beast. of which non of the final characteristics has been seen by any beast in the history of the world. And the beast that will be personally destroyed by the return of the rock (jesus)
The great tribulation has not yet occurred
The ability or possibility of all flesh on earth being killed by a mass casualty event was not even possible until the advent of nuclear war.
And Jesus has not yet returned.
Matt 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Sorry, but this has not yet happened.
