Revelation is for NOW, not the FUTURE?

[Eternally-Grateful]

When He came to judge Jerusalem in the clouds? In the OT a reference to judgement? Yup. To usher in the age to come? Yup. To do away with the sacrificial system, yup.

ah, so we just allegorize prophecy. we do not take it literally?

Thats not how God directed us to interpret his prophetic words.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The age to come has already arrived.

Nope

This age looks nothing like the age which is to come. God forbid if this is his peace on earth promised through the ages.

 

[civic]

When He came to judge Jerusalem in the clouds? In the OT a reference to judgement? Yup. To usher in the age to come? Yup. To do away with the sacrificial system, yup.

No when He returne it says every eye will see Him, a VISIBLE Return with the saints waging war on the enemies of the Jews.

 

[civic]

Nope

This age looks nothing like the age which is to come. God forbid if this is his peace on earth promised through the ages.

preterism is false doctrine.

 

[Presby02]

No when He returne it says every eye will see Him, a VISIBLE Return with the saints waging war on the enemies of the Jews.

Every eye will see Him? So every last person?

 

[Presby02]

Nope

This age looks nothing like the age which is to come. God forbid if this is his peace on earth promised through the ages.

Nope. Two ages in scripture. This age, Old Covenant, and the age to come. New covenant.

 

[Presby02]

ah, so we just allegorize prophecy. we do not take it literally?

Thats not how God directed us to interpret his prophetic words.

That's what coming in or on the clouds means. Judgement. Please see the Old Testament

 

[Presby02]

who is the beast? read Daniel 2 and Daniel 7. the final form of the 4th beast. The feet of Iron and clay. the Fourth beast. of which non of the final characteristics has been seen by any beast in the history of the world. And the beast that will be personally destroyed by the return of the rock (jesus)

The great tribulation has not yet occurred

The ability or possibility of all flesh on earth being killed by a mass casualty event was not even possible until the advent of nuclear war.

And Jesus has not yet returned.

Matt 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Sorry, but this has not yet happened.

That does not yell me who the beast is.

It has already happened. Jesus said "this generation shall not pass away until these things have been fulfilled."

 

[Presby02]

to the people living in the time, it will be near.

Fact is it did not happen back then, so you tell me how to explain it?

So near means far into the future?

So how is the book relevant to the seven churches in Asia minor?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Nope. Two ages in scripture. This age, Old Covenant, and the age to come. New covenant.

It does not matter

and actually there were many ages..

The garden,

post garden to the flood

Post flood to the law

The church

The millennial or future age

eternity future new heavens and new earth

the age where Jesus rules looks nothing like the age we have now.. All we have to do is research the scriptures about this time, and we can know nothin today looks like those days

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That's what coming in or on the clouds means. Judgement. Please see the Old Testament

no,

the world seeing jesus comming in the clouds means the world will see jesus comming in the cloud.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That does not yell me who the beast is.

It should. since the 4th beast is rome. the final beast must also be rome

It has already happened. Jesus said "this generation shall not pass away until these things have been fulfilled."

But it has not happened.

Look at the events that are said will happen They have to date never happened.

this generation is the generation in that time period. the generation that sees the abomination of desolation. That generation will not pass away

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So near means far into the future?

So how is the book relevant to the seven churches in Asia minor?

tell me when the things happened..

when did the kings of the earth beg the rocks to fall on them,l because the great day of the lords wrath is upon them., and who can withstand

 

[Presby02]

It does not matter

and actually there were many ages..

The garden,

post garden to the flood

Post flood to the law

The church

The millennial or future age

eternity future new heavens and new earth

the age where Jesus rules looks nothing like the age we have now.. All we have to do is research the scriptures about this time, and we can know nothin today looks like those days

The Bible mentions specifically, this age and the age to come. That's it. The garden is nowhere called age.

 

[Presby02]

It should. since the 4th beast is rome. the final beast must also be rome

But it has not happened.

Look at the events that are said will happen They have to date never happened.

this generation is the generation in that time period. the generation that sees the abomination of desolation. That generation will not pass away

Great. I did not ask for geographic location.

So this generation, the generation He was speaking to, actually means that generation?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The Bible mentions specifically, this age and the age to come. That's it. The garden is nowhere called age.

Once again

when did the things happen. Show me proof the things spoken of that will take place has happened.

If you can. We can move forward

if you can not. Well then you answered your own question

 

[Presby02]

no,

the world seeing jesus comming in the clouds means the world will see jesus comming in the cloud.

Sure. They see Him coming in judgement. In the first century. That's what coming on or in the clouds means. Judgement.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Great. I did not ask for geographic location.

So this generation, the generation He was speaking to, actually means that generation?

have the things happened yet?

Come on man. If God said a generation will not pass away before specific things happen. and a generation passes and non of those things have happened yet. He is not talking about that particular generation.

Its not rocket science

 

[Presby02]

Once again

when did the things happen. Show me proof the things spoken of that will take place has happened.

If you can. We can move forward

if you can not. Well then you answered your own question

I already did. Christ said "this generation", those He was speaking to. He tells us when if your willing to listen. Does this mean that?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Sure. They see Him coming in judgement. In the first century. That's what coming on or in the clouds means. Judgement.

But Jesus did not come in the clouds in the first century.

nor was their a great tribulation that was so great if Jesus did not put an end to it no flesh would survive.

I do not think you are looking at the greater picture.