brightfame52
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Is that your authority the KJV?
PSA as central to the Gospel
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Selah
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I wasn’t judging you, not a all. You don’t care for the scriptures, do you. The scriptures I posted have to do with Satan, not you. —selah
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Revelation 21:4
“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
Joe
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Hello brother,
You will not find a passage in the bible within context that God punished our Lord for our sin. You will find many passages that people read such into the text, but the context of the text itself does not imply or state it. Our Lord did not suffer God's retribution for our sins...never once stated anywhere in the bible.
So while your statement in bold words is true to you it is not biblically accurate. I refuse to believe any more that God punished His Son for my sins since it is not in the bible. I believe that our Lord offered His life to become responsible for dying as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.
Do you agree the sin offerings of the Old Covenant serve as a shadow of our Lord under the New?
Did God ever command the sacrifices to suffer physical harm such as beatings, whippings, and the such and then a violent death? The answer is no. The sacrifices were meant to avert God's wrath upon the sinner by dying for their sins.
God does not need to pour wrath out in retribution to forgive repentant sinners. The characterization of God needing to get His pound of flesh before forgiving repentant sinners is not found in the bible. He warns the sinner to repent and live (ref, Eze 18:23, Eze 18:32, Eze 33:11)
What is needed to fulfill all righteousness is judging our sin, and in His goodness and wonderful mercy, God sent His Son into the world of humanity to become us, and for us, and to offer His sinless life unto death for our sins so that our sin could be judged in the bodily death of our Lord. This demonstrates that God is righteous and just for justifying the unjust. A death has occurred that ransoms us from our sins.
Many don't understand that it is not punishing someone that satisfies God in order for Him to save us, but for our sins to be judged in the offering of His sinless Son. What does this mean? It means God passed sentence for our sins, which is death, in the offering of our Lord's life. There was no punishment-retribution upon a sin offering in the Old Covenant nor is there one in the New.
God's will was for His Son to become like us to save us by offering His life unto death, whereby God "has laid on him the iniquity of us all". What does this mean "laid on him"? Some say impute but impute too often imparts blame, and we know for a fact that He was and will always will be blameless.
The statement "laid on him the iniquity of us all" refers back to the Old Covenant when they would lay their hands upon the sacrifice and confess their sins, which indicated the reason why the sacrifice was dying. The sacrifice bore their sins unto death-became responsible to die for their sins, thus its death atoned-reconciled-restored friendly relations.
When God delivered up His own Son to die for our sins, God Himself indicated why His own Son was dying, for "the iniquity of us all". And our Lord Jesus Christ offered up His life to die on account of our sins, thus atoning for them-reconciling us to God-restoring friendly relations through His own blood-death.
God Bless
brightfame52
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DavidTree
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Thank you Joe,
YES i have and so have you = Isaiah 53 and the Gospel and more
#1 - Isaiah 53 is crystal clear as is the Gospel
Look at this = John 15:13 - “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. "
SEE here = Hebrews 12:2 - Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Written in His Blood = shed for us
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the chastisement/punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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It was done by man according to Gods predetermined will Acts 4:27
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
praise_yeshua
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You used them in reference to me. You tried to use them "against" me.
I love the Scriptures. I don't like any English translations being considered as having authority over me. Why do you insist that I must be under the authority of English translations?
praise_yeshua
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So you're passing away? Pay attention to what you read and how you're referencing it.
praise_yeshua
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You're referencing flawed English translations. Your English masters made your decisions for you. Why do you serve them instead of Christ?
How about this "English verse"?
Isa 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
You're repeating exactly what your masters want you to repeat.
praise_yeshua
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Good.......
I don't read anything in verse 28 that said God murdered His son.
Now don't run away and don't start repeating yourself.....Stick around. Lets see where this goes.
praise_yeshua
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No. I just simply was stating that I accepted it as stated.
Things don't change. Whatever language that properly expresses the facts and realty of events and metaphysical constructs is fine with me.
Words changes. Especially words in the vernacular of human languages.
God isn't dead and His words are His.
Tothalordbeallglory
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A bruised reed shall HE NOT break .
We were all once under the wound of sin .
I came not TO JUDGE the world but to save .
HE came to bring for judgment UN TO TRUTH .
Not judgment in favor of sin .
Judgment unto TRUTH . And all who hear His voice
are of THE TRUTH and LOVE THE TRUTH and COME TO HIM .
HOWEVER let us never once make the mistake of thinking
That those who rejected HIM WONT BE JUDGED on the last day . HIS words
will be our judge and all who denied them lovely words and twisted such lovely words
and omitted such lovely words in favor of this twisted doctrine that so many now beleive is love
THEYS GONNA WAIL and wail , and wail
and wail , and plead , and beg as did the rich man
BUT DENIED THEY WILL Be . THEN shall they wail and wail and wail
in torments . JESUS IS NOT GOING to be denied . AND all who do so WILL BE DENIED
and if a man dares to lip such a lovely name AS JESUS and yet omits
HIS words in any way , shape or fashion , HAVE DENIED HIM . LET that put the
HOLY FEAR OF GOD ALL MIGHTY into the hearts and deep into the minds and souls
OF THIS SOLD OUT ECUMINCAL WHORE LOVING GENERATION . THEY SOLD JESUS OUT .
WELL not on my watch buddy .
SO here goes . MUSLIMS SERVE satan , b uddist serve satan , athiests serve satan
WE ALL once served satan . AND any who rejects the gospel of YE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY
BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , THAT HE IS THE SON OF GOD
that HE IS the only WAY we can be saved and that to BE SAVED ONE MUST BELEIVE
well then THEY STILL SERVE satan and will wail and wail and t riple wail
cause they used HIS NAME to preach UNBELEIF .
so now what do you think about me . And , oh yes AND
if one follows another jesus who omits his words , WHO Tries to say
OH that was for jews only
or that was for that time , NOT TODAY , IS A FAT LIAR .
SO how you feel about remairrage now , HOW you feel about women pastors now
or the prosperity nar realm
or the RCC , or the JW or the mormon
THEY FALSE dude
just as false as this big ol jewish movment that has put the emphasis back on the FLESH
and knows not a darn thing about THE HEAVENLY .
SO go ahead , TELL me where i am wrong .
brightfame52
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What do you see?
praise_yeshua
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I see Christ submitting to the judgement of men who murdered Him contrary to the demands of their own laws.
praise_yeshua
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You can't tie me to any of what you mention above. I'm me. That is all. I don't follow any of those distinctions.
So, who bruised God's elect?
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
brightfame52
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What are the exact words of the verse ?
DavidTree
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if we place all our trust in human 'scholars' , we will miss out on ALL that Elohim has for us in YAHshua and the Ruach HaKodesh
i trust in the Word that was Elohim in the Beginning
Elohim is always in control, even when HE created every language on earth = ad HE watches over His word
Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there.
Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
Follow the Way commanded by the LORD = "man shall live by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of Elohim"
Then you will hear the Holy Spirit say to you: “You have seen well, for I am ready to perform My word.”
SHALOM my brothers in Christ
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