PSA as central to the Gospel

I’m not interested in someone else’s work and the giant cut n paste
Do you really think what you post is original thinking? For myself, I know and understand that just about all of my knowledge and understanding of Scripture has been presented by someone earlier and more than likely stated better than I could. I see nothing wrong with cut and paste. It is more often than not presented better than any of us could, whether it is actually true or not. In some cases, it is best to identify the origin of the cut and paste.

We must always realize that anything we post that is not purely quoted from a version of the Bible is nothing more than commentary. As such it is just another's own thoughts about what is the meaning of the Scripture being discussed.
 
Nope most of my posts are my work and study

PSA is a false gospel and false teaching. An assault on Gods character and nature
just a friendly reminder
but the ecumenical harlot is about to do as even the popes have long done .
Remember WHEN GOD said not to be unequally yoked . WE SHOULD HAVE HEEDED HIM and not men
who made that obsolete by means of a false unity .
What have the last major popes been saying to the false religoins . WE ALL SERVING THE SAME GOD .
and guess what . They wanted us to UNIFY with the catholic realm and etc .
WELL when you unify with that , YOU WILL SOON go down the same road as THAT .
YOU watch and see
what this so called movment is about to do .
THEY will be bringing in hindus and others , and getting the focus on so called saving america
BUT NO SIR its about making us beleive in time
that muslims buddists and etc are serving the same GOD .
WE BEEN DUPED by bridge builders finding common ground , lovey do unity do FOR YEARS .
and now the leaven has risen up and here COMES THE LIE too .
 
Do you really think what you post is original thinking? For myself, I know and understand that just about all of my knowledge and understanding of Scripture has been presented by someone earlier and more than likely stated better than I could. I see nothing wrong with cut and paste. It is more often than not presented better than any of us could, whether it is actually true or not. In some cases, it is best to identify the origin of the cut and paste.
I have no problem with cut and paste as I do it myself and cite the source. Some pass it on as if its their own work.

I was hoping for a dialogue with his own opinions like if you were having a conversation face to face.
 
I have no problem with cut and paste as I do it myself and cite the source. Some pass it on as if its their own work.

I was hoping for a dialogue with his own opinions like if you were having a conversation face to face.
Here is a conversation this entire site better have real fast .
THE TURNING POINT now led by ERIKA kirk .
men like vance , men who have promoted interfaith and his wife is a hindu
I am telling us all that the very lie THAT THE RCC has been preaching
IS COMING ON IN within that movement . THIS IS A SET UP . its all a set up .
Ecumenicism dont lead to CHRIST , IT led only to SIE MOTHER HARLOT and to the lie .
the lie that merges all not in the lambs book of life to be as one people , one mind
one agenda .
WE been decieved big time . The planter of tares HAS COME WITHIN
and now has sowed the fields of christendom with many many tares
who do nothing but use the name OF JESUS
to lead this people TO A LIE .
 
I have no problem with cut and paste as I do it myself and cite the source. Some pass it on as if its their own work.

I was hoping for a dialogue with his own opinions like if you were having a conversation face to face.
When civic ,
I say WHEN O CIVIC and all
IS this people gonna wake up from this delusional nightmare they see as good and of GOD .
I fear for many IT WONT BE TILL THE DAY OF THE LORD and THEN ITS TOO LATE .
Now some of us WHO KNOW BETTER have a duty to warn .
So all here must allow me to do so and to continue to do so .
In fact , ITS TIME for men to help me . One thing i know about a delusion
MAN it is deceptive and it darn sure can come cloaked in wool .
 
I have no problem with cut and paste as I do it myself and cite the source. Some pass it on as if its their own work.

I was hoping for a dialogue with his own opinions like if you were having a conversation face to face.
I been calling on men to help me for years my friend .
But now out of great sense of urgency
i am afraid the ol volunteer phase is over
ITS DRAFT TIME . SO if you see your name called
BE READY to help me warn .
Cause we cannot afford to be distracted any longer .
DONT we realize christedom is not being invaded
ITS BEEN INVADED for years and now these leaders WILL FINISH them off with the lie .
Dont let it be said i didnt warn us and remind us . We should never have become unequally yoked
through the first phase of ecumiencism which united the denominations
cause PHASE TWO IS COMING IN , which will unite the united denominations WITH ALSO The false religoins
AND ALL for a so called , what it calls , GOOD cause . AGAIN that is HOW they decieve .
 
I have no problem with cut and paste as I do it myself and cite the source. Some pass it on as if its their own work.

I was hoping for a dialogue with his own opinions like if you were having a conversation face to face.
I will be calling on david , yeshua , can i count on you to help as well .
There are a few others as well . If we dont do and we dont say and dont warn
then we will be guilty of thier blood my friend . AND i dont see any LOVE IN THAT EITHER .
The topic of ecumenicsim interfaith MUST be exposed and NOW .
The cry of those who plead for finding common ground , bridge building
has led this people to great delusion .
And now what so called better cause to unite the entire world UNDER A LIE
than to say WE MUST DO SO FOR WORLD PEACE N SAFETY .
WE are BEING decieved civic . I KNOW an anti christ and that which is of anti christ WHEN I SEE IT .
And this spirit is HIGHLY deceptive . ALWAYS it do as it does
in the pretence ITS WHAT IS GOOD for humanity , BUT ALWAYS IT DOES LIE .
 
I will be calling on david , yeshua , can i count on you to help as well .
There are a few others as well . If we dont do and we dont say and dont warn
then we will be guilty of thier blood my friend . AND i dont see any LOVE IN THAT EITHER .
The topic of ecumenicsim interfaith MUST be exposed and NOW .
The cry of those who plead for finding common ground , bridge building
has led this people to great delusion .
And now what so called better cause to unite the entire world UNDER A LIE
than to say WE MUST DO SO FOR WORLD PEACE N SAFETY .
WE are BEING decieved civic . I KNOW an anti christ and that which is of anti christ WHEN I SEE IT .
And this spirit is HIGHLY deceptive . ALWAYS it do as it does
in the pretence ITS WHAT IS GOOD for humanity , BUT ALWAYS IT DOES LIE .
the enemy comes from within the church, sows subtle lies with the truth hence the deception. its like how the counterfeit money operates- unless one is trained to detect it they will be fooled. Then enemy is the great counterfeit christ.
 
@Joe

Thank you for your patience in allowing me to at least finish with your post.

You said: "The New Testament is the fulfillment and commentary of the Old Testament." Agreed.

You said: "then why don't we read that God expended wrath on His Son to save us? You will not find one passage in the NT where punish, punished, punishment, or wrath was used to describe anything from God upon His Son. It simply is not there,"

Joe, it is there in a few places:

A question: Is purgatory a true doctrine? There is nothing specifically mentioned by any author of the bible about being purified of sins by suffering in hell for a time, so we know the doctrine is derived from misunderstanding a handful of scriptures. Welcome to the PSA doctrine that has God's Son incurring the intense emotional anger of God to appease Him. Many people, including myself at one time, read that doctrine of punishment into the texts to support PSA, just as people do with the doctrine of purgatory.

Nowhere is it mentioned one place that our Lord was punished by our Father for our sins. However, it is mentioned that He died on account of our sins, meaning His death was because of our sins, to take them away from us, He carried them away in His bodily death. And if He died explicitly and purposefully on account of our sins, then we must understand in our Father's perspective this single act of righteousness justifies all men, everyone to eternal life to be received by faith. The Apostle Paul mentions this in Rom 5:17-19.

The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world is language we read, but nothing concerning wrath, punish, punished, or punishment being inflicted upon Him by our Father. Now think about that a moment. Something so critical as that and it is never mentioned. Many people derive an erroneous doctrine from reading into the bible, and the PSA doctrine is one of those doctrines.

Something we can derive from reading the OT about sacrifices is that it dies for the sins of the people rather than them dying for those sins. The death of the OT sacrifice is what keeps the people in relationship with God and Him with them. The sacrifices were holy unto God. They indicated God's loving mercy and His righteousness-always doing what is right and just. They achieved their purpose by pointing to Christ our Lord, whom our Father gave from His loving mercy to die for our sins to prove that He always does what is right and just; that sin must be judged and the judgement is death. And this clearly satisfies God.

The sacrifices are shadows of the realities of God giving His own Son to suffer death for our sins. This was an act of wonderful grace and mercy whereby God legally and justly justifies His action to justify any sinner who believes in His Son who died for their sins. (ref, Rom 3:23-26)




Romans 5:10​

“For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.”

No punishment here. Jesus Christ willingly offered His life to ransom us. The only way to ransom us is for His blood to be shed-for Him to die specifically as a sin offering for our sins, reconciling us to our Father. The reconciliation happened because it was our Father's will for Him to die on the account of our sins, for His willing sacrifice was the means to judge our sin in His bodily death, thus providing the means for our reconciliation to God and His justification. It is the Just dying for the sins of the unjust.

His death for our sins means a death has occurred for our sins and that frees us from dying in our own sins. This is typified in the OT sacrifices which were only the shadow of the realities centered in Christ our Lord. The death of the sacrifice was applied towards the confessed sin of the sinner. The death of our Lord was applied to our sins, providing the means for God to justify the unjust. We are "the church of God which He purchased with His own blood".

"For this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant"

Galatians 3:13​

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

No punishment here.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.’ But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for ‘the just shall live by faith.’ Yet the law is not of faith, but ‘the man who does them shall live by them.’ Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith” (Galatians 3:10-14).

This particular set of verses has the Apostle Paul teaching the Gentile believers of Galatia the truth about being justified by God, because they were being wrongfully taught by Judaizers that one could earn his salvation by keeping the law. Paul expresses the truth that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God, for ‘the just shall live by faith.’

Paul then explains why and what they should believe; that our Lord ransomed those under the law (died to free them from being under the curse of the law) by hanging on a tree after He had died.

God commanded that anyone who broke the law and received the death penalty should be hung on a tree. This doesn't mean death by hanging. The Israelite's publicly executed those worthy of death by stoning, and then after death, the body was hung on a tree in a public place for one day as a demonstration that sin brings death.

Our Lord's sacrificial death ransoms us from sin, and He purchased the freedom of those under the Law from its curse, so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might also come to us Gentiles; that we would all receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. He carried our sins in His body, and the curse that came with it under the Law was to ransom those under the Law. This can be referenced to Romans 5:12-14 when the Apostle Paul mentions everyone was under the condemnation of death before the law because all had sinned, but no account of sin was kept until the Law came.


2nd Corinthians 5:21​

“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

Jesus our Lord was not made sin. He was made a sin offering. Even you have stated as such at the very end of another post of yours by stating, "God making his Son an offering for our sins".

The NLT states it well: For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ...This is what you see consistently in the OT and the NT with sin offerings. And you even stated, "God making his Son an offering for our sins".

Let's go down the rabbit hole, even if the Apostle Paul meant it as translated in most bibles, "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him", Paul was not meaning anything but what he consistently taught; that we "having been justified by faith" in believing that "God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (ref. Rom 5:1, 8-9)

What does Paul mean by stating "Christ died for us"? He was saying our Lord willingly with purpose gave up His life, sacrificing it as an offering for our sins. The reason this is significant is, His death is applied to our sin, meaning we have been released-set free from death and the grave...per God's promise in Hosea 13:14 and taught by Paul in 1Cor 15:54-55.

Paul makes it clear in Hebrews, "And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God" (Heb 10:11-12)

And again Paul states..."But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (Heb 9:26-28)

You have been indoctrinated that verse 21 means our Lord was imputed-credited with our sins; meaning legally He was a sinner, and that we are imputed-credited with His righteousness; meaning we never sinned. This is wrong.

If the doctrine of imputation for sin and righteousness were biblically true in verse 21, we would see supporting scriptures but we don't. The only instance of imputing-crediting righteousness happens when a person believes God. We see this with Abram/Abraham in Genesis 15:6, "And he believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness." And the whole chapter of Romans is dedicated to justification by faith beginning with our father of faith, Abraham.

If imputation were factual then why do need a great high priest to intercede on our behalf (ref, Heb 4:14-16)? Wouldn't being imputed with the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ mean no matter what, in the eyes of God, we never sin even though we do sin? Isn't that what imputation of our sin to the Lord means? Even though He never sinned, God viewed Him as a sinner with sin? Neither one of these imputations are mentioned in the bible.

Again, the only imputation we read in the bible is our Holy Father crediting our faith in Jesus Christ as our righteousness. Why? Because under the New Covenant God established by our Lord's blood, the only standard for us to be considered in conformity to His New Covenant is believing in Jesus Christ and His death as our justification to eternal life. That's it! "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

As the Apostle Paul stated, "Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law." (Rom 3:27-28)

There is no dual imputation in verse 21. Not at all. Paul is simply saying, "God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."


God Bless
 
A question: Is purgatory a true doctrine? There is nothing specifically mentioned by any author of the bible about being purified of sins by suffering in hell for a time, so we know the doctrine is derived from misunderstanding a handful of scriptures. Welcome to the PSA doctrine that has God's Son incurring the intense emotional anger of God to appease Him. Many people, including myself at one time, read that doctrine of punishment into the texts to support PSA, just as people do with the doctrine of purgatory.

Nowhere is it mentioned one place that our Lord was punished by our Father for our sins. However, it is mentioned that He died on account of our sins, meaning His death was because of our sins, to take them away from us, He carried them away in His bodily death. And if He died explicitly and purposefully on account of our sins, then we must understand in our Father's perspective this single act of righteousness justifies all men, everyone to eternal life to be received by faith. The Apostle Paul mentions this in Rom 5:17-19.

The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world is language we read, but nothing concerning wrath, punish, punished, or punishment being inflicted upon Him by our Father. Now think about that a moment. Something so critical as that and it is never mentioned. Many people derive an erroneous doctrine from reading into the bible, and the PSA doctrine is one of those doctrines.

Something we can derive from reading the OT about sacrifices is that it dies for the sins of the people rather than them dying for those sins. The death of the OT sacrifice is what keeps the people in relationship with God and Him with them. The sacrifices were holy unto God. They indicated God's loving mercy and His righteousness-always doing what is right and just. They achieved their purpose by pointing to Christ our Lord, whom our Father gave from His loving mercy to die for our sins to prove that He always does what is right and just; that sin must be judged and the judgement is death. And this clearly satisfies God.

The sacrifices are shadows of the realities of God giving His own Son to suffer death for our sins. This was an act of wonderful grace and mercy whereby God legally and justly justifies His action to justify any sinner who believes in His Son who died for their sins. (ref, Rom 3:23-26)






No punishment here. Jesus Christ willingly offered His life to ransom us. The only way to ransom us is for His blood to be shed-for Him to die specifically as a sin offering for our sins, reconciling us to our Father. The reconciliation happened because it was our Father's will for Him to die on the account of our sins, for His willing sacrifice was the means to judge our sin in His bodily death, thus providing the means for our reconciliation to God and His justification. It is the Just dying for the sins of the unjust.

His death for our sins means a death has occurred for our sins and that frees us from dying in our own sins. This is typified in the OT sacrifices which were only the shadow of the realities centered in Christ our Lord. The death of the sacrifice was applied towards the confessed sin of the sinner. The death of our Lord was applied to our sins, providing the means for God to justify the unjust. We are "the church of God which He purchased with His own blood".

"For this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant"



No punishment here.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.’ But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for ‘the just shall live by faith.’ Yet the law is not of faith, but ‘the man who does them shall live by them.’ Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith” (Galatians 3:10-14).

This particular set of verses has the Apostle Paul teaching the Gentile believers of Galatia the truth about being justified by God, because they were being wrongfully taught by Judaizers that one could earn his salvation by keeping the law. Paul expresses the truth that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God, for ‘the just shall live by faith.’

Paul then explains why and what they should believe; that our Lord ransomed those under the law (died to free them from being under the curse of the law) by hanging on a tree after He had died.

God commanded that anyone who broke the law and received the death penalty should be hung on a tree. This doesn't mean death by hanging. The Israelite's publicly executed those worthy of death by stoning, and then after death, the body was hung on a tree in a public place for one day as a demonstration that sin brings death.

Our Lord's sacrificial death ransoms us from sin, and He purchased the freedom of those under the Law from its curse, so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might also come to us Gentiles; that we would all receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. He carried our sins in His body, and the curse that came with it under the Law was to ransom those under the Law. This can be referenced to Romans 5:12-14 when the Apostle Paul mentions everyone was under the condemnation of death before the law because all had sinned, but no account of sin was kept until the Law came.




Jesus our Lord was not made sin. He was made a sin offering. Even you have stated as such at the very end of another post of yours by stating, "God making his Son an offering for our sins".

The NLT states it well: For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ...This is what you see consistently in the OT and the NT with sin offerings. And you even stated, "God making his Son an offering for our sins".

Let's go down the rabbit hole, even if the Apostle Paul meant it as translated in most bibles, "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him", Paul was not meaning anything but what he consistently taught; that we "having been justified by faith" in believing that "God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (ref. Rom 5:1, 8-9)

What does Paul mean by stating "Christ died for us"? He was saying our Lord willingly with purpose gave up His life, sacrificing it as an offering for our sins. The reason this is significant is, His death is applied to our sin, meaning we have been released-set free from death and the grave...per God's promise in Hosea 13:14 and taught by Paul in 1Cor 15:54-55.

Paul makes it clear in Hebrews, "And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God" (Heb 10:11-12)

And again Paul states..."But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (Heb 9:26-28)

You have been indoctrinated that verse 21 means our Lord was imputed-credited with our sins; meaning legally He was a sinner, and that we are imputed-credited with His righteousness; meaning we never sinned. This is wrong.

If the doctrine of imputation for sin and righteousness were biblically true in verse 21, we would see supporting scriptures but we don't. The only instance of imputing-crediting righteousness happens when a person believes God. We see this with Abram/Abraham in Genesis 15:6, "And he believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness." And the whole chapter of Romans is dedicated to justification by faith beginning with our father of faith, Abraham.

If imputation were factual then why do need a great high priest to intercede on our behalf (ref, Heb 4:14-16)? Wouldn't being imputed with the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ mean no matter what, in the eyes of God, we never sin even though we do sin? Isn't that what imputation of our sin to the Lord means? Even though He never sinned, God viewed Him as a sinner with sin? Neither one of these imputations are mentioned in the bible.

Again, the only imputation we read in the bible is our Holy Father crediting our faith in Jesus Christ as our righteousness. Why? Because under the New Covenant God established by our Lord's blood, the only standard for us to be considered in conformity to His New Covenant is believing in Jesus Christ and His death as our justification to eternal life. That's it! "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

As the Apostle Paul stated, "Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law." (Rom 3:27-28)

There is no dual imputation in verse 21. Not at all. Paul is simply saying, "God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."


God Bless
A most excellent and thorough rebuttal to the heresy of PSA.

Well done brother !

Kudos
 
A most excellent and thorough rebuttal to the heresy of PSA.

Well done brother !

Kudos
so why are so many finding common ground with catholics and not rather trying to help Pull them out
of the delusion .
Enough with this unity junk . IT was never of GOD , its the wrong unity , IT CAME FROM THE RCC
and many well deceiving men like rick warren and scores of others .
WE are being DECIEVED civic and all this church age seems to want to do is hug everyone right INTO the delusion .
Not this sheep . i am gonna expose it all , all that i can no matter the cost to me for doing so .
EVEN if it means my death . I dont sit with A JESUS CHRIST DENYING HARLOT
who only claoks herself in wool IN ORDER TO DECIEVE MEN to join in unity with her .
SO she can sit atop them all . I EXPOSE THAT HARLOT and will expose all who do her work .
 
the enemy comes from within the church, sows subtle lies with the truth hence the deception. its like how the counterfeit money operates- unless one is trained to detect it they will be fooled. Then enemy is the great counterfeit christ.
Yes he do . Most have no idea he can do this in and within politics too .
HAVE YA SEEN VANCE . they are gonna DECIEVE this realm my friend .
THEY DONT care about JESUS , HIS G OSPEL
they already believe GOD is in all religoins as he hugs on his HINDU wife
and claims SHE LED HIM back to GOD . rather odd IT WAS CATHOLCISM . Exactly .
we are being FLEECED . interfaith is not of G OD . it never was .
THIS is not about world peace
Its about CONVINCING the relgoins we all serve the same GOD and leading us right too and right into
anti christ peace pact . THIS IS A FACT friend .
You have to help me expose it .
 
@Joe
There is no dual imputation in verse 21. Not at all. Paul is simply saying, "God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."
Joe, give me time and I will address this ASAP~after all, it took two weeks for you to get back with me, and no problem, I know folks have a life outside of this forum, and I'm going to cut back myself.
 
A question: Is purgatory a true doctrine? There is nothing specifically mentioned by any author of the bible about being purified of sins by suffering in hell for a time, so we know the doctrine is derived from misunderstanding a handful of scriptures. Welcome to the PSA doctrine that has God's Son incurring the intense emotional anger of God to appease Him. Many people, including myself at one time, read that doctrine of punishment into the texts to support PSA, just as people do with the doctrine of purgatory.

Nowhere is it mentioned one place that our Lord was punished by our Father for our sins. However, it is mentioned that He died on account of our sins, meaning His death was because of our sins, to take them away from us, He carried them away in His bodily death. And if He died explicitly and purposefully on account of our sins, then we must understand in our Father's perspective this single act of righteousness justifies all men, everyone to eternal life to be received by faith. The Apostle Paul mentions this in Rom 5:17-19.

The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world is language we read, but nothing concerning wrath, punish, punished, or punishment being inflicted upon Him by our Father. Now think about that a moment. Something so critical as that and it is never mentioned. Many people derive an erroneous doctrine from reading into the bible, and the PSA doctrine is one of those doctrines.

Something we can derive from reading the OT about sacrifices is that it dies for the sins of the people rather than them dying for those sins. The death of the OT sacrifice is what keeps the people in relationship with God and Him with them. The sacrifices were holy unto God. They indicated God's loving mercy and His righteousness-always doing what is right and just. They achieved their purpose by pointing to Christ our Lord, whom our Father gave from His loving mercy to die for our sins to prove that He always does what is right and just; that sin must be judged and the judgement is death. And this clearly satisfies God.

The sacrifices are shadows of the realities of God giving His own Son to suffer death for our sins. This was an act of wonderful grace and mercy whereby God legally and justly justifies His action to justify any sinner who believes in His Son who died for their sins. (ref, Rom 3:23-26)






No punishment here. Jesus Christ willingly offered His life to ransom us. The only way to ransom us is for His blood to be shed-for Him to die specifically as a sin offering for our sins, reconciling us to our Father. The reconciliation happened because it was our Father's will for Him to die on the account of our sins, for His willing sacrifice was the means to judge our sin in His bodily death, thus providing the means for our reconciliation to God and His justification. It is the Just dying for the sins of the unjust.

His death for our sins means a death has occurred for our sins and that frees us from dying in our own sins. This is typified in the OT sacrifices which were only the shadow of the realities centered in Christ our Lord. The death of the sacrifice was applied towards the confessed sin of the sinner. The death of our Lord was applied to our sins, providing the means for God to justify the unjust. We are "the church of God which He purchased with His own blood".

"For this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant"



No punishment here.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.’ But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for ‘the just shall live by faith.’ Yet the law is not of faith, but ‘the man who does them shall live by them.’ Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith” (Galatians 3:10-14).

This particular set of verses has the Apostle Paul teaching the Gentile believers of Galatia the truth about being justified by God, because they were being wrongfully taught by Judaizers that one could earn his salvation by keeping the law. Paul expresses the truth that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God, for ‘the just shall live by faith.’

Paul then explains why and what they should believe; that our Lord ransomed those under the law (died to free them from being under the curse of the law) by hanging on a tree after He had died.

God commanded that anyone who broke the law and received the death penalty should be hung on a tree. This doesn't mean death by hanging. The Israelite's publicly executed those worthy of death by stoning, and then after death, the body was hung on a tree in a public place for one day as a demonstration that sin brings death.

Our Lord's sacrificial death ransoms us from sin, and He purchased the freedom of those under the Law from its curse, so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might also come to us Gentiles; that we would all receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. He carried our sins in His body, and the curse that came with it under the Law was to ransom those under the Law. This can be referenced to Romans 5:12-14 when the Apostle Paul mentions everyone was under the condemnation of death before the law because all had sinned, but no account of sin was kept until the Law came.




Jesus our Lord was not made sin. He was made a sin offering. Even you have stated as such at the very end of another post of yours by stating, "God making his Son an offering for our sins".

The NLT states it well: For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ...This is what you see consistently in the OT and the NT with sin offerings. And you even stated, "God making his Son an offering for our sins".

Let's go down the rabbit hole, even if the Apostle Paul meant it as translated in most bibles, "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him", Paul was not meaning anything but what he consistently taught; that we "having been justified by faith" in believing that "God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (ref. Rom 5:1, 8-9)

What does Paul mean by stating "Christ died for us"? He was saying our Lord willingly with purpose gave up His life, sacrificing it as an offering for our sins. The reason this is significant is, His death is applied to our sin, meaning we have been released-set free from death and the grave...per God's promise in Hosea 13:14 and taught by Paul in 1Cor 15:54-55.

Paul makes it clear in Hebrews, "And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God" (Heb 10:11-12)

And again Paul states..."But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (Heb 9:26-28)

You have been indoctrinated that verse 21 means our Lord was imputed-credited with our sins; meaning legally He was a sinner, and that we are imputed-credited with His righteousness; meaning we never sinned. This is wrong.

If the doctrine of imputation for sin and righteousness were biblically true in verse 21, we would see supporting scriptures but we don't. The only instance of imputing-crediting righteousness happens when a person believes God. We see this with Abram/Abraham in Genesis 15:6, "And he believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness." And the whole chapter of Romans is dedicated to justification by faith beginning with our father of faith, Abraham.

If imputation were factual then why do need a great high priest to intercede on our behalf (ref, Heb 4:14-16)? Wouldn't being imputed with the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ mean no matter what, in the eyes of God, we never sin even though we do sin? Isn't that what imputation of our sin to the Lord means? Even though He never sinned, God viewed Him as a sinner with sin? Neither one of these imputations are mentioned in the bible.

Again, the only imputation we read in the bible is our Holy Father crediting our faith in Jesus Christ as our righteousness. Why? Because under the New Covenant God established by our Lord's blood, the only standard for us to be considered in conformity to His New Covenant is believing in Jesus Christ and His death as our justification to eternal life. That's it! "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

As the Apostle Paul stated, "Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law." (Rom 3:27-28)

There is no dual imputation in verse 21. Not at all. Paul is simply saying, "God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."


God Bless
PSA is Pure Undefiled TRUTH = God's TRUTH = Isaiah chapter 53
Without Isaiah 53 and the Cross unto Death, the Gospel does not exist

To avoid/disparage/deny this TRUTH is unbelief

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.


But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement/punishment for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
 
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@Joe @Red Baker @civic @Tothalordbeallglory @Selah

KEY TRUTH in Isaiah 53

Count the TRUTH
1- Him STRICKEN
2 - SMITTEN by God
3 - WOUNDED for our transgresions
4 - BRUISED for our iniquities
5 - PUNISHMENT for our peace UPON HIM
6 - His STRIPES/Brutal WHIPPING unto RIPPING OPEN of His BODY

6 is the Number of Man = the GOD MAN took upon HIMSELF our PUNISHMENT

But WAIT = there is MORE GLORIOUS TRUTH here

Let's continue to count by adding MORE GLORY = Isa 53:4

HE has BORNE our griefs, HE has CARRIED(Cross) our sorrows: 2 + 6 = 8

8
is the Number of New Beginnings = CHRIST's Punishment/Death on the Cross = Purchased for us a NEW BEGINNING

SHALOM
 
False as the gospel was preached to Abraham, way before Isaiah. Galatians 3:8

next fallacy
i am so GLAD you mentioned the TRUTH of how the Gospel was preached to Abraham.

SEE = "Abraham BELIEVED the WORD/GOD and it was credited to him for Righteousness

Only when we believe God/Word do we walk with God in His Righteousness.


Countdown to TRUTH

#3 - Before the HOLY SPIRIT Prophecy given to Isaiah(chapter 53)

#2 - Before Abraham

#1 - GOD preached the Gospel to Adam & Eve = SUFFERING unto BLOOD to cover their sin

It is WRITTEN = "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin"
 
i am so GLAD you mentioned the TRUTH of how the Gospel was preached to Abraham.

SEE = "Abraham BELIEVED the WORD/GOD and it was credited to him for Righteousness

Only when we believe God/Word do we walk with God in His Righteousness.


Countdown to TRUTH

#3 - Before the HOLY SPIRIT Prophecy given to Isaiah(chapter 53)

#2 - Before Abraham

#1 - GOD preached the Gospel to Adam & Eve = SUFFERING unto BLOOD to cover their sin

It is WRITTEN = "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin"
The Bible never says Adam eve were forgiven or repented

In fact everything in scripture said about them after the fall is negative
 
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