PSA as central to the Gospel

@praise_yeshua
It is not obedience that qualified Christ as the proper offering for sin. It was His quality of Divinity.
He proved to be the Son of God by the spirit of holiness that he offered unto God for the sins of his people!

Ephesians 5:2​

“And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.”

Romans 5:18,19​

“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

The scriptures said that you are so wrong, on this point ~ his perfect obedience proved his Divinity as the Son of God. I really do not think you want to debate this point with me.
 
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@praise_yeshua
Sightlier taught you nonsense.
No sir, I really only sat under Mr. Sightler (fifty years ago) for a very short time, less than three months or so, besides, he would agree more with you than me on Soteriology, that I know. Yet, I believe he was good, upright man, who loved God, and lived according to the light/knowledge he had.
 
@praise_yeshua

Let's see who has a reading problem, shall we?

And we just got started, we will add more as we continue. I'm sure you do not have a reading problem, not many do, the problem is who truly believes Isaiah's report? Not many do, only those to whom the arm of the LORD has revealed him to those who do believe.

Deceiver. I quote your use of Isaiah 53:3. I see you don't mind lying.

Yes. You're being delusional. Lets review it again. I'll even stick with your idol in the KJV.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Deceiver.
 
Deceiver. I quote your use of Isaiah 53:3. I see you don't mind lying.

Yes. You're being delusional. Lets review it again. I'll even stick with your idol in the KJV.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Deceiver.
Yes He was rejected by men, not the Father.

Man hid his face from Him, not the Father.

Man despised Him, not the Father.

AMEN !!!
 
@praise_yeshua

No sir, I really only sat under Mr. Sightler (fifty years ago) for a very short time, less than three months or so, besides, he would agree more with you than me on Soteriology, that I know. Yet, I believe he was good, upright man, who loved God, and lived according to the light/knowledge he had.

You're preaching what he taught you when you were young. You're still that child repeating what you were told. Remember. I know him. I was around all of them. I know what they taught. I was ordained by them. Were you ordained by them?

You're carrying baggage from your past.

He was a terrible person that enjoyed inflicting emotional damage with his ego and nonsensical legalism where he made his own disciples. Not disciples of Christ.

As far as "Soteriology" is concerned you have no idea what I believe about it. You're stuck in this "Arminian/Calvinist" nonsense. I abandoned that nonsense decades ago.
 
@praise_yeshua

He proved to be the Son of God by the spirit of holiness that he offered unto God for the sins of his people!

Ephesians 5:2​

“And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.”

No. He proved to be Son of God by miracles.

Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

See how little you actually know. Still stuck as that child under Sightler. I mean you might have grown up to become your own Sightler but you're his disciples. Your voice echos him even now.

Romans 5:18,19​

“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

The scriptures said that you are so wrong, on this point ~ his perfect obedience proved his Divinity as the Son of God. I really do not think you want to debate this point with me.

Geesh.....

He learned obedience by what things He suffered. He became obedient to DEATH.

See this happens when all you do is live in just a few verses throughout your KJV of choice....

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

You're about as shallow as a infant kiddie pool.

It is always about this "be like me" with all of you former Independent Baptists. You can't leave it behind. You take it with you wherever you go.
 
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Yes He was rejected by men, not the Father.

Man hid his face from Him, not the Father.

Man despised Him, not the Father.

AMEN !!!

I've actually heard "preachers/ministers" say that the sky was darkened when Christ hung on the cross to hide Christ from the Father.....

I mean seriously......

People just repeat what they hear. I did it. Everyone does it. I decided to stop doing it a long time ago. I decided to rethink everything I ever assumed about God from others. I believe you know, it has been the most meaningful journey of my life to really embrace God for who He really is.
 
I've actually heard "preachers/ministers" say that the sky was darkened when Christ hung on the cross to hide Christ from the Father.....

I mean seriously......

People just repeat what they hear. I did it. Everyone does it. I decided to stop doing it a long time ago. I decided to rethink everything I ever assumed about God from others. I believe you know, it has been the most meaningful journey of my life to really embrace God for who He really is.
Me to it’s sickening
 
@civic
Yes He was rejected by men, not the Father.
Have I ever said that Christ was rejected of the Father, never! I'm leaving be back alter to address this more.
 
Please post the #3 verse you are referring to - ty

I did but here it is again.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. (KJV)

If you really want to know Isaiah 53, embrace Codex Alexandrinus. It will take you some time to know it. I hope you find the truth in your journey to know this.
 
I did but here it is again.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. (KJV)

If you really want to know Isaiah 53, embrace Codex Alexandrinus. It will take you some time to know it. I hope you find the truth in your journey to know this.
What is your emphasis on this verse?
 
Good then you deny the historical doctrine called PSA.

He is "word parsing". Living in the gaps that exist between words. English is such a terrible language at times..... I blame it French and Late/Vulgar Latin.

He still believes that Christ was separated from the Father. He has his own understanding of "rejected".
 
What is your emphasis on this verse?

I highlighted most the verse that deals with OUR/US/Humanity's problem with Christ.

Here is what I highlighted earlier.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

This pretty much covered most everyone that was at the Crucifixion.

Even those that didn't despised him among men, keep silent as He was murdered.

Would you have esteemed Him?
 
I highlighted most the verse that deals with OUR/US/Humanity's problem with Christ.

Here is what I highlighted earlier.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

This pretty much covered most everyone that was at the Crucifixion.

Even those that didn't despised him among men, keep silent as He was murdered.

Would you have esteemed Him?
Isa 53:3 includes you, @civic, myself, @Tothalordbeallglory, @Red Baker and everyone who has committed sin
 
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