Newtonian eschatology

[SteveB]

Well then prove that by addressing ops already on this board which make that claim

Ah, so when you're not actually able to present those things which prohibit my understanding, you manipulate?

Seeing you have spent a couple months demonstrating an inability to reason clearly, and demonstrate why ONLY the Bible passages you keep quoting are valid, and reject any other passages quoted, as having any validity, it's really pretty clear that you are not someone who can be trusted in discussions.

it's why i ceased responding to your other posts/ops, and withdrawn from conversing with you and as i stated before, now you're chasing me into the ops i post, and I've asked you to stop.
I decide who, and on what topics i choose, and at what time and conditions i engage.
it's clear that you think you're still over on CARM and engaging in CARM-style combat
this is not CARM and I do not engage in CARM-style combat. The sooner you cease your practices in this manner, and learn a new, more conducive to actual discussion, then we can reconvene.
Until then.....

Go manipulate others on your own ops and leave this one alone

 

[TomL]

Ah, so when you're not actually able to present those things which prohibit my understanding, you manipulate?

Seeing you have spent a couple months demonstrating an inability to reason clearly, and demonstrate why ONLY the Bible passages you keep quoting are valid, and reject any other passages quoted, as having any validity, it's really pretty clear that you are not someone who can be trusted in discussions.

it's why i ceased responding to your other posts/ops, and withdrawn from conversing with you and as i stated before, now you're chasing me into the ops i post, and I've asked you to stop.
I decide who, and on what topics i choose, and at what time and conditions i engage.
it's clear that you think you're still over on CARM and engaging in CARM-style combat
this is not CARM and I do not engage in CARM-style combat. The sooner you cease your practices in this manner, and learn a new, more conducive to actual discussion, then we can reconvene.
Until then.....

Go manipulate others on your own ops and leave this one alone

They are already on the board

You have not responded to them

Bottomline

 

[SteveB]

They are already on the board

You have not responded to them

Bottomline

Bingo!
Bottom line...


Seeing you have spent a couple months demonstrating an inability to reason clearly, and demonstrate why ONLY the Bible passages you keep quoting are valid, and reject any other passages quoted, as having any validity, it's really pretty clear that you are not someone who can be trusted in discussions.

it's why i ceased responding to your other posts/ops, and withdrawn from conversing with you and as i stated before, now you're chasing me into the ops i post, and I've asked you to stop.
I decide who, and on what topics i choose, and at what time and conditions i engage.
it's clear that you think you're still over on CARM and engaging in CARM-style combat
this is not CARM and I do not engage in CARM-style combat.

At this point, I've stated everything that I believe needs saying. So in fact, I have responded.

You however have chosen to disregard and dismiss what I've stated. In essence, wiping it off the table.

After seeing several instances of this, I no longer see any reason why I should continue playing a game with you.

So, feel free to pack your blocks, and go back to your own playground.

When you choose to no longer treat people as you did, and as you were treated, at CARM, I'll decide when to re-engage you in conversation.

 

[TomL]

Bingo!
Bottom line...


Seeing you have spent a couple months demonstrating an inability to reason clearly, and demonstrate why ONLY the Bible passages you keep quoting are valid, and reject any other passages quoted, as having any validity, it's really pretty clear that you are not someone who can be trusted in discussions.

it's why i ceased responding to your other posts/ops, and withdrawn from conversing with you and as i stated before, now you're chasing me into the ops i post, and I've asked you to stop.
I decide who, and on what topics i choose, and at what time and conditions i engage.
it's clear that you think you're still over on CARM and engaging in CARM-style combat
this is not CARM and I do not engage in CARM-style combat.

At this point, I've stated everything that I believe needs saying. So in fact, I have responded.

You however have chosen to disregard and dismiss what I've stated. In essence, wiping it off the table.

After seeing several instances of this, I no longer see any reason why I should continue playing a game with you.

So, feel free to pack your blocks, and go back to your own playground.

When you choose to no longer treat people as you did, and as you were treated, at CARM, I'll decide when to re-engage you in conversation.

Laughable

you will not engage and you want to talk about reasoning clearly

There is an op on the board showing the second advent brings about Christ turning the kingdom over

There is an op on the board showing Christs second advent brings about the destruction of this old earth and ushers in ther New Heaven and Earth

There is an op on this board showing Christ Second asdvent brings about the judgmnent of all with all receiving their eternal dstinies

You have addressed none of it

So no you have not responded in any reasonable manner and all you offer are excuses why you will not address issues

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Personally I believe Israel becoming a nation in 1948 set the time clock. I really believe Christs 2nd Coming is in our present lifetime.

The "eschatologists" based on a Jewish generation, taught with GREAT AUTHORITY that it would be 1978 (30 years) - then 1980, then 1984, then -

And then I realized that "Eschatiology" was nothing but rank speculation meaning nothing.

Bottom line, He'll be back when it's time, and the CHURCH being led by the Holy Spirit will be aware in general of that. Right now nobody knows ANYTHING, and all we've got are "Theologians" with their foolishness.

 

[SteveB]

Laughable

you will not engage and you want to talk about reasoning clearly

There is an op on the board showing the second advent brings about Christ turning the kingdom over

There is an op on the board showing Christs second advent brings about the destruction of this old earth and ushers in ther New Heaven and Earth

There is an op on this board showing Christ Second asdvent brings about the judgmnent of all with all receiving their eternal dstinies

You have addressed none of it

So no you have not responded in any reasonable manner and all you offer are excuses why you will not address issues

If you like CARM and it's practices so much, why don't you return and remain there.

 

[TomL]

The "eschatologists" based on a Jewish generation, taught with GREAT AUTHORITY that it would be 1978 (30 years) - then 1980, then 1984, then -

And then I realized that "Eschatiology" was nothing but rank speculation meaning nothing.

Bottom line, He'll be back when it's time, and the CHURCH being led by the Holy Spirit will be aware in general of that. Right now nobody knows ANYTHING, and all we've got are "Theologians" with their foolishness.

Don't forget 1988 88 reasons the rapture would be in 1988 Edgar Whisenant

 

[TomL]

If you like CARM and it's practices so much, why don't you return and remain there.

Never stated I like it so much and it's not your perogative to tell me where to post

For someone who has stated "At this point, I've stated everything that I believe needs saying"

Its funny how you keep babbling on

 

[SteveB]

Never stated I like it so much

Your continued CARM-style combativeness says otherwise.

and it's not your perogative to tell me where to post

Actually, i live in the United States of America. We have this document that is known as the Bill of Rights.
there's a sentence in there, commonly referred to as the first amendment.
in there it says American citizens have the right to freedom of speech.
as such, i Actually do have the prerogative to say whatever i want.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

For someone who has stated "At this point, I've stated everything that I believe needs saying"

Its funny how you keep babbling on

My op.
Any time you feel like you're not being treated like you want, you're free to leave.

 

[Frank Russell]

Ok.

Tell me about it.
Philippians 3:10-15 sounds like the heart of the Father kind of passage to me.

Phi 3:10-15 WEB 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, becoming conformed to his death, 11 if by any means I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect; but I press on, that I may take hold of that for which also I was taken hold of by Christ Jesus. 13 Brothers, I don’t regard myself as yet having taken hold, but one thing I do: forgetting the things which are behind and stretching forward to the things which are before, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, think this way. If in anything you think otherwise, God will also reveal that to you.

Although, if we exclude the talking (anything that could be even remotely construed as lecturing), then we can simply do away with the internet discussion forums.

I think we'll "get there" when the terms conservative and liberal (or equivalent) are no longer in common circulation.

 

[SteveB]

I think we'll "get there" when the terms conservative and liberal (or equivalent) are no longer in common circulation.

Ok. You've got me. I have no idea what you're even talking about.
If I do have an idea, then you're saying that talking should cease talking entirely, and people should just look at each other.

 

[TomL]

Your continued CARM-style combativeness says otherwise.


Actually, i live in the United States of America. We have this document that is known as the Bill of Rights.
there's a sentence in there, commonly referred to as the first amendment.
in there it says American citizens have the right to freedom of speech.
as such, i Actually do have the prerogative to say whatever i want.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

My op.
Any time you feel like you're not being treated like you want, you're free to leave.

And I am free to do as I please

Now it pleases me to note

It's funny how you will talk about everything but the ops which contradict your theology

 

[SteveB]

And I am free to do as I please

Apparently not.

Now it pleases me to note

It's funny how you will talk about everything but the ops which contradict your theology

I'm not the one who is desperate to be right, and feel superior.

As Abraham Lincoln once said,

I'm interested in being on God's side, because he's always right.

 

[TomL]

Apparently not.


I'm not the one who is desperate to be right, and feel superior.

As Abraham Lincoln once said,

I'm interested in being on God's side, because he's always right.

But it is you who while refusing to discuss issues continues posting his imagination, and judging motives

as though you had such devine powers

 

[SteveB]

But it is you who while refusing to discuss issues continues posting his imagination, and judging motives

as though you had such devine powers

You don't actually have good reading comprehension and reasoning, do you?
I've repeatedly explained this, several times already.
Or do you simply want to demonstrate your rudeness?

This isn't CARM Tom! I'm not interested in CARM style debate.

Furthermore I actually have responded to your claims.
So your continued comments about this just show me that you don't pay attention.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Don't forget 1988 88 reasons the rapture would be in 1988 Edgar Whisenant

Yup I still have that book. Quite a few Charismatics took it seriously, and some of 'em lost money, and property because of it. And then there was Harold Camping proclaiming the "end" on May 21/2011. But when THAT didn't happen he Changed it to Oct 21/2011. But when THAT didn't happen he apologized, said he wouldn't do "Date setting" any more, and then he died. His billboard in Red Oak, TX stayed up for a while, and then disappeared.

Personally, I'll just "occupy until HE comes" (Luke 19:13).

Watchman Nee had a different "take" - he believed that your personal reaction to the "Trumpet" determines what happens when the rapture happens: If your first thought was: "Oh NO!! I'm gonna miss out on stuff that I wanted to do" - then you got to stay and go through the tribulation. If your first thought was "OH GOOD!!! LET'S GET OUTTA HERE!!!" then you got to go with Him in the rapture. HEY!! that works for me, except that it's just another "theological opinion" among many.

But since I'm 81, and in LOUSY health, could be I'll simply DIE, and watch it all from the Other Side of the grass.

 

[TomL]

Yup I still have that book. Quite a few Charismatics took it seriously, and some of 'em lost money, and property because of it. And then there was Harold Camping proclaiming the "end" on May 21/2011. But when THAT didn't happen he Changed it to Oct 21/2011. But when THAT didn't happen he apologized, said he wouldn't do "Date setting" any more, and then he died. His billboard in Red Oak, TX stayed up for a while, and then disappeared.

Personally, I'll just "occupy until HE comes" (Luke 19:13).

Watchman Nee had a different "take" - he believed that your personal reaction to the "Trumpet" determines what happens when the rapture happens: If your first thought was: "Oh NO!! I'm gonna miss out on stuff that I wanted to do" - then you got to stay and go through the tribulation. If your first thought was "OH GOOD!!! LET'S GET OUTTA HERE!!!" then you got to go with Him in the rapture. HEY!! that works for me, except that it's just another "theological opinion" among many.

But since I'm 81, and in LOUSY health, could be I'll simply DIE, and watch it all from the Other Side of the grass.

Sorry about the poor health. I am a little bit younger and in fairly good health

 

[SteveB]

Yup I still have that book. Quite a few Charismatics took it seriously, and some of 'em lost money, and property because of it. And then there was Harold Camping proclaiming the "end" on May 21/2011. But when THAT didn't happen he Changed it to Oct 21/2011.

He had one in 1994 too.
I pissed off the local radio station mgr because I asked him why he had him on the air.

Top 10 End-of-the-World Prophecies - TIME

Harold Camping's prediction that the world will end Saturday, May 21, 2011, is not his first such prediction. In 1992, the evangelist published a book called 1994?, which proclaimed that sometime in...

content.time.com

The lesson i learned from that one...
don't challenge radio station mgrs, and then offer to volunteer at their stations later.
I'd forgotten about it. A brother introduced me and when he said my name, the entire tenor of the conversation changed

But when THAT didn't happen he apologized, said he wouldn't do "Date setting" any more, and then he died. His billboard in Red Oak, TX stayed up for a while, and then disappeared.

Personally, I'll just "occupy until HE comes" (Luke 19:13).

Watchman Nee had a different "take" - he believed that your personal reaction to the "Trumpet" determines what happens when the rapture happens: If your first thought was: "Oh NO!! I'm gonna miss out on stuff that I wanted to do" - then you got to stay and go through the tribulation. If your first thought was "OH GOOD!!! LET'S GET OUTTA HERE!!!" then you got to go with Him in the rapture. HEY!! that works for me, except that it's just another "theological opinion" among many.

Over the past decade or so I've found myself wondering what would happen if I heard it.
What would my reaction be?
Time to time, I'd be doing something and the thought would come to me- now! It generally caught me off guard and as a surprise... which is exactly what Jesus says in Luke 21:35. It'll come as a snare to all who dwell on the surface of the earth.

As i considered it i began to realize that i was in that boat of... are you really ready? If he came at this instant, what would your reaction be?
so, nowadays I take Luke 21:34-36 more seriously and pray regularly ...
lord, please account my wife and I worthy to escape what's coming on the earth and to stand before the Son of Man.

But since I'm 81, and in LOUSY health, could be I'll simply DIE, and watch it all from the Other Side of the grass.

I just turned 64 yesterday.
I appear to be doing fairly well.
The men in my dad's family (parents, etc...) appear to live into their late 80's and early 90's, (my grandfather died 2 weeks before his 91st, my dad just turned 89 a few months ago. My mom died from lung cancer not long after she turned 63.

I'm thinking that if I get to 85, I'm going to be good with that.
My wife thinks she'll be gone by her late 60's to mid 70's.

However it goes...

Maranatha! Come quickly Lord Jesus!

 

[TomL]

You don't actually have good reading comprehension and reasoning, do you?
I've repeatedly explained this, several times already.
Or do you simply want to demonstrate your rudeness?

This isn't CARM Tom! I'm not interested in CARM style debate.

Furthermore I actually have responded to your claims.
So your continued comments about this just show me that you don't pay attention.

LOL talk about rudeness. All you want to do is post personalities instead of scripture

BTW that is the Carm style.

 

[SteveB]

LOL talk about rudeness. All you want to do is post personalities instead of scripture

BTW that is the Carm style.

I've repeatedly explained that your practice is not what I consider conducive to productive discussion.

You've come into my op and highjacked it, and in spite of giving you numerous opportunities to walk away, you keep blaming me for having no interest whatsoever in talking with you.

If you really feel that you are justified, file a complaint with forum mgmt.


There's also-- you go play on your ops, and if I ever decide to go to your ops, and engage you in discussion, you can feel vindicated.