Newtonian eschatology

Hey! I was there!
That was supposed to have been the end of the tribulation.
Admittedly, I'm grateful because my wife and a number of friends hadn't yet been saved.

I'm thinking that both you and I will be in eternity by 2060, so I'm good.
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I know what you're saying but you're actually already In eternity. At any rate I saw the title of your thread and the word "Newtonian" Really made me curious so I had to drop in. and check it out. Very informative.

 
I know what you're saying but you're actually already In eternity.
well... yes. As eternity is from beyond the ancient vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive in the past, to beyond the infinite future vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive, you are correct.
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I'm referring to this body having decayed to the point where it can no longer sustain this life.

At any rate I saw the title of your thread and the word "Newtonian" Really made me curious so I had to drop in. and check it out. Very informative.
Thank you.
I was surprised when it popped up on my Facebook newsfeed, and thought it apropos to those people who think that those in the past had a better, more accurate perspective of the 70 sevens of Daniel 9:24-27.

Especially in light of Daniel 12:4.

Dan 12:4 WEB But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many will run back and forth, and knowledge will be increased.”

While I do think those people who lived back then had done their due diligence and developed a good collection of hypotheses, based on the knowledge and information they had at their respective eras/times, I think that we have a lot more, and more comprehensive knowledge of history and the Bible today.

And if Jesus doesn't come in the next 100 years or so, they'll have even more knowledge about it then.

One of the things I find most curious about the past 200 years of history is the study of archeology.
It's been astounding the amount of history that's been discovered, uncovered, brought up from underground, etc...

The Biblical Archeological Society has extensive articles written regarding their discoveries.
And sadly, the Taliban, and other radical Islamic groups have done extensive damage and destroyed beautiful history in the middle east in the past decade +.

As I consider all of these discoveries, I'm reminded of the Daniel 12:4 passage.
I can only imagine how much more will be uncovered and brought to light.

It is written,

Luk 12:2 WEB But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known.

This leaves me with the question...

Does this include archeological history too?
It seems to me that God will leave no stone unturned to remove all excuses from their rejection of Jesus.
 
well... yes. As eternity is from beyond the ancient vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive in the past, to beyond the infinite future vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive, you are correct.
🤷🏽🤭
I'm referring to this body having decayed to the point where it can no longer sustain this life.


Thank you.
I was surprised when it popped up on my Facebook newsfeed, and thought it apropos to those people who think that those in the past had a better, more accurate perspective of the 70 sevens of Daniel 9:24-27.

Especially in light of Daniel 12:4.

Dan 12:4 WEB But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many will run back and forth, and knowledge will be increased.”

While I do think those people who lived back then had done their due diligence and developed a good collection of hypotheses, based on the knowledge and information they had at their respective eras/times, I think that we have a lot more, and more comprehensive knowledge of history and the Bible today.

And if Jesus doesn't come in the next 100 years or so, they'll have even more knowledge about it then.

One of the things I find most curious about the past 200 years of history is the study of archeology.
It's been astounding the amount of history that's been discovered, uncovered, brought up from underground, etc...

The Biblical Archeological Society has extensive articles written regarding their discoveries.
And sadly, the Taliban, and other radical Islamic groups have done extensive damage and destroyed beautiful history in the middle east in the past decade +.

As I consider all of these discoveries, I'm reminded of the Daniel 12:4 passage.
I can only imagine how much more will be uncovered and brought to light.

It is written,

Luk 12:2 WEB But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known.

This leaves me with the question...

Does this include archeological history too?
It seems to me that God will leave no stone unturned to remove all excuses from their rejection of Jesus.
Just reading Luke 12:2 my guess would be in our real eternal home better known as heaven, everything will be revealed to us. We'll know God's plan from beginning to end. Why he did everything He does. Who know how DNA works, why the earth through rotates the way it does. What holds the planets in their position. Maybe they'll have classes where we can go study stuff.

We can learn about all the effects of sin in the world. Like wild humans used to live to 900 years and now it's less than 100 even with modern medicine.

As far as what happens to those that reject Jesus the Bible's pretty clear on that. Their eternity will look a lot different than ours.
 
There is no secret rapture

at the resurrection all will be changed, whether living or dead
Of course it is a 'secret' rapture!

So secret, in fact, that even God does not know about it..............................but the pre-tribbers do - lol
 
Funny thing is even if it happened on the date or year he says the Lord might tell him the way and manner you came to that conclusion was ridiculous. So really you didn't know all along it was just a fluke for you it happened on that year.
shhh - it's a secret

Nobody is supposed to know except those who wrote the 'left-behind' series...............

My personal take on it is this:
I wait for the Return of the LORD and then sell T-Shirts that say: "Here Today, Cloudy tomorrow"
 
Apparently one of the prophetic parameters is "a day we would not expect."

But you can't sell books on that idea, so a lot of Christendom has ignored it, to chase after divination.
1Th 5:1-10 WEB 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that anything be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night. 3 For when they are saying, “Peace and safety,” then sudden destruction will come on them, like birth pains on a pregnant woman. Then they will in no way escape. 4 But you, brothers, aren’t in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief. 5 You are all children of light and children of the day. We don’t belong to the night, nor to darkness, 6 so then let’s not sleep, as the rest do, but let’s watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep in the night; and those who are drunk are drunk in the night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let’s be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God didn’t appoint us to wrath, but to the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Having been there when he taught about the topic, we regularly heard, and were taught the importance of being ready.
We were explicitly and repeatedly told that nobody knows the day/hour. We can however know the times and seasons, we read above.

I'm still learning to follow Jesus. As are numerous other people who were around then.

I suppose we simply received sufficient grace and knowledge that we weren't led astray by those who were pissed off that 1988 came and went.
 
There is no secret rapture

at the resurrection all will be changed, whether living or dead
Don't worry.
If you're actually ready, it'll happen so fast you won't have time to protest its secretiveness.

I will say this....
Jesus instructed us to be ready, and to pray always that we may be accounted worthy to escape what's coming on the earth and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luk 21:34-36 WEB 34 “So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly. 35 For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the earth. 36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Looking forward to seeing you there! We who are excited about his secret coming keep at it.
 
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Just ran across an article.
Isaac Newton said the end will be here in 2060.
That's 36 years people!
Are you ready?


I wouldn't put it off though, Jesus warned us...


Luk 21:34-36 WEB 34 “So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly. 35 For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the earth. 36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
newton is an esau.
 
I wouldn't know.
I never met him.
It's pretty awesome how God taught him so much.
Are you saying that you actually met the man?
I am saying that by reading all he wrote,
and even teaching it, when I was more naive,
at university, he, per what he states, is not talking
about God. And that his views are all
for the evil realm, as its champion.
 
if he changed his mindset later, after death, i would not know..

edit: but i doubt he did... being a lackey of the evil
realm in all he wrote.
 
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I know what you're saying but you're actually already In eternity. At any rate I saw the title of your thread and the word "Newtonian" Really made me curious so I had to drop in. and check it out. Very informative.

that is true from the point of view that all around us are the artifacts of time..
as the fallen, corrupt time that ensued after Adam betrayed God...
however, as what is all around us resulted from, came after the fall,
and is not God's sky, earth, or cosmos then it is not God's eternity..
but a false evil one. Christ said he is not from here...
neither are God's souls.
 
well... yes. As eternity is from beyond the ancient vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive in the past, to beyond the infinite future vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive, you are correct.
🤷🏽🤭
I'm referring to this body having decayed to the point where it can no longer sustain this life.


Thank you.
I was surprised when it popped up on my Facebook newsfeed, and thought it apropos to those people who think that those in the past had a better, more accurate perspective of the 70 sevens of Daniel 9:24-27.

Especially in light of Daniel 12:4.

Dan 12:4 WEB But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many will run back and forth, and knowledge will be increased.”

While I do think those people who lived back then had done their due diligence and developed a good collection of hypotheses, based on the knowledge and information they had at their respective eras/times, I think that we have a lot more, and more comprehensive knowledge of history and the Bible today.

And if Jesus doesn't come in the next 100 years or so, they'll have even more knowledge about it then.

One of the things I find most curious about the past 200 years of history is the study of archeology.
It's been astounding the amount of history that's been discovered, uncovered, brought up from underground, etc...

The Biblical Archeological Society has extensive articles written regarding their discoveries.
And sadly, the Taliban, and other radical Islamic groups have done extensive damage and destroyed beautiful history in the middle east in the past decade +.

As I consider all of these discoveries, I'm reminded of the Daniel 12:4 passage.
I can only imagine how much more will be uncovered and brought to light.

It is written,

Luk 12:2 WEB But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known.

This leaves me with the question...

Does this include archeological history too?
It seems to me that God will leave no stone unturned to remove all excuses from their rejection of Jesus.
God does not make decaying bodies. Nor a cosmos based on Death and entropy.
 
well... yes. As eternity is from beyond the ancient vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive in the past, to beyond the infinite future vanishing point, beyond which we cannot perceive, you are correct.
🤷🏽🤭
I'm referring to this body having decayed to the point where it can no longer sustain this life.


Thank you.
I was surprised when it popped up on my Facebook newsfeed, and thought it apropos to those people who think that those in the past had a better, more accurate perspective of the 70 sevens of Daniel 9:24-27.

Especially in light of Daniel 12:4.

Dan 12:4 WEB But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many will run back and forth, and knowledge will be increased.”

While I do think those people who lived back then had done their due diligence and developed a good collection of hypotheses, based on the knowledge and information they had at their respective eras/times, I think that we have a lot more, and more comprehensive knowledge of history and the Bible today.

And if Jesus doesn't come in the next 100 years or so, they'll have even more knowledge about it then.

One of the things I find most curious about the past 200 years of history is the study of archeology.
It's been astounding the amount of history that's been discovered, uncovered, brought up from underground, etc...

The Biblical Archeological Society has extensive articles written regarding their discoveries.
And sadly, the Taliban, and other radical Islamic groups have done extensive damage and destroyed beautiful history in the middle east in the past decade +.

As I consider all of these discoveries, I'm reminded of the Daniel 12:4 passage.
I can only imagine how much more will be uncovered and brought to light.

It is written,

Luk 12:2 WEB But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known.

This leaves me with the question...

Does this include archeological history too?
It seems to me that God will leave no stone unturned to remove all excuses from their rejection of Jesus.
in fact, this entire timeline, called civilization, time as it exists and has for thousands of years,
will rewind.. God will bring an end to this time line and its consciousness
and restore us to His Reality which is Eden paradise.
 
The arrow of time, as a law of newton
due to entropy, and its in plato too,
is just an avoidance and deflection
against satan's judgment by the
evil realm.

It will undo. And will no more face forward endlessly
into evil realm nonsense...
as with blinders on a horse..


we will Rewind back to paradise
and be restored to our Original body made by God
and restored to the birthright esau
stole
(before this earth's named esau who jacob
rightly got it back from, as a foreshadowing of
our return to God.)
 
His sons restored in eden paradise will never again
die, decay, get ill or suffer from any
of the type effects of the
current evil physics.
 
Just ran across an article.
Isaac Newton said the end will be here in 2060.
That's 36 years people!
Are you ready?


I wouldn't put it off though, Jesus warned us...


Luk 21:34-36 WEB 34 “So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly. 35 For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the earth. 36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
The date will not end by opinions of matrix "science" calculations...
scare quotes for sure.
 
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