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[Titus]

Strive? I thought you always accomplished? Do you plan on repenting again?

You can't claim you're not repeating sin. Who in the world would ever believe such?

Example would be as I already gave Sir.
Does God expect a porn addict to continue in porn until he dies or the Lord returns?
As long as he asks forgiveness?

If that the case then repentance is a loop hole to get around righteous living.
We can live in sin just repent and repeat.

Praise Yeshua, you've really hurt me deeply.
If you really believe I dont love you, that devastates me.

I wish we would be together forever side by side praising God in heaven.
I want you as my best friend!!!
I want you as my brother in Christ!!!
I want to be with you forever in heaven!!!

If your goal was to hurt me you've succeeded.

 

[Jim]

Just for the record, there is a HUGE difference in believing that God rewards them who diligently seek Him and actually diligently seeking Him.

One is faith. The other isn't. It is reality.

Notice the requirement of just simply believing that God rewards those who diligently seek Him.

In other words, believing that God will do what He said He will do.

I actually believe this myself. Sometimes I forget. Many times I fail. I don't pretend that endless repentance makes it all go away.

Sure it does but it is not enough. Just like when you pretend that in faith doing good pleases God in and of itself.
Everyone pretends they are "diligently" seeking God.

None of that really has anything to do with Romans 8:8 which says, "Those who are in the flesh cannot please God".

 

[Titus]

None of that really has anything to do with Romans 8:8 which says, "Those who are in the flesh cannot please God".

Is it possible to repent daily and at the same time overcome specific sins like drinking to the point where you never commit that particular sin again?
Or am I contradicting myself?

 

[praise_yeshua]

None of that really has anything to do with Romans 8:8 which says, "Those who are in the flesh cannot please God".

It doesn't?

I don't believe you understand Romans 8:8.

Are you insisting that you're not in the flesh? Commit somewhere.

 

[Jim]

IT IS NOT A WORK

what part of this do you fail to understand

IT IS A WORK, JUST NOT A WORK OF LAW.

What part of this do you fail to understand

the biblical definition of work is something we do to earn a wage or a reward.

Yours but that is not what Paul is talking about.

That's why Paul separates faith from works.

No it is not.

It is my faith in christ I freely chose to have.

To have faith is something that you do; it is a work.

But it was Gods work that brought me there.

Only in the sense that you heard the word about Christ (Rom 10:17)

Not of works lest anyone should boast.

why would you even fathom of boasting in your own work?

Why would you even fathom of boasting in your own faith?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is it possible to repent daily and at the same time overcome specific sins like drinking to the point where you never commit that particular sin again?
Or am I contradicting myself?

So you only need to overcome the sin of drinking?

I see sin all around me. Every single day I see sin. I see it most often in those who actually "name the name of Christ".

Few people actually see themselves for what they are. Most people play a make believe character that isn't actually how they feel inside.

 

[Jim]

It doesn't?

I don't believe you understand Romans 8:8.

Are you insisting that you're not in the flesh? Commit somewhere.

Now I know that you don't understand Romans 8:8

 

[Titus]

So you only need to overcome the sin of drinking?

I see sin all around me. Every single day I see sin. I see it most often in those who actually "name the name of Christ".

Few people actually see themselves for what they are. Most people play a make believe character that isn't actually how they feel inside.

That wasn't my question.

 

[Titus]

So you only need to overcome the sin of drinking?

I see sin all around me. Every single day I see sin. I see it most often in those who actually "name the name of Christ".

Few people actually see themselves for what they are. Most people play a make believe character that isn't actually how they feel inside.

Do you really believe I dont love you?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Example would be as I already gave Sir.
Does God expect a porn addict to continue in porn until he dies or the Lord returns?
As long as he asks forgiveness?

Sin scares the mind. Alcohol, porn, drugs, sex, hatred, anger, and "you name it" scares the mind. The very thoughts of such things are sinful and you can't control it in any sense of an absolute.

If that the case then repentance is a loop hole to get around righteous living.
We can live in sin just repent and repeat.

That is what you do. You sin and repeat. You sin and repeat. You sin and repeat. That is what all mankind does until they're unable to sin. By that time, they've usually lost their minds.

Praise Yeshua, you've really hurt me deeply.
If you really believe I dont love you, that devastates me.

You can't say you love someone without experience. You can't. Without experience in a relationship of some sort, it is nothing more than words that have no value.

I wish we would be together forever side by side praising God in heaven.
I want you as my best friend!!!
I want you as my brother in Christ!!!
I want to be with you forever in heaven!!!

If your goal was to hurt me you've succeeded.

I have the same desire for most anyone. However, that isn't love to the degree God loves us.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That wasn't my question.

Then tell me how it is different. I choose my words wisely. I'm taking you somewhere you need to go.

 

[Titus]

Then tell me how it is different. I choose my words wisely. I'm taking you somewhere you need to go.

Would you be interested in posting an article on Biblical repentance?
I would definitely read all of it.
Just a suggestion.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Do you really believe I dont love you?

Peter told Jesus that he loved Him and then denied Him.

We're going somewhere here......

Love can only be experienced and learned. It is a process of relationship. I do believe you can love me to a certain degree but that doesn't equal a loving relationship where we love one another.

 

[Titus]

Peter told Jesus that he loved Him and then denied Him.

We're going somewhere here......

Love can only be experienced and learned. It is a process of relationship. I do believe you can love me to a certain degree but that doesn't equal a loving relationship where we love one another.

My love for you right now, is that, if giving up my freedoms or health or even life would guarantee you'd be in heaven with me, I'd do it.
Of course theres no way of knowing.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Would you be interested in posting an article on Biblical repentance?
I would definitely read all of it.
Just a suggestion.

Articles.......

Every conversation is different. I am what I believe. We can discuss this. Conversations are important. We learn from each other.

Repentance isn't what Arminians understand it to be. You believe that Repentance is simply an action of the will to "change our mind". It is much more than this.

God grants Repentance. It is where our mind agrees with God's mind. It a point of agreement wherein we see things exactly like God sees them. Such is a Holy perspective wherein a fulness of enlightenment takes place. It is a brokenness that can only come from Spirit of God's agreement in our minds.

In other words, we meet God's requirements and repentance is granted. It is actually the last step in the process of salvation. Not the first.

It is where we do more than just acknowledge what is right.

 

[praise_yeshua]

My love for you right now, is that, if giving up my freedoms or health or even life would guarantee you'd be in heaven with me, I'd do it.
Of course theres no way of knowing.

I don't believe those who have faith in Christ lose what they gain in salvation for any other reason than the abandonment of their faith. Not sin. Not works of unrighteousness. Only through the abandonment of faith.

After all, when we sin, we must believe God will forgive us. That is a requirement of faith brother.

You're missing this.

We face the "trial of faith" our entire lives. We must live the Gospel. Live the Gospel until we realize ourselves just where we don't. Sometimes that takes decades. We never stop knowing ourselves and God MORE.

The more we know the more we realize just how we're not what we think we are. However, our relationship with God deepens.

You can't claim to love God will all your heart without learning your heart.

 

[Titus]

I don't believe those who have faith in Christ lose what they gain in salvation for any other reason than the abandonment of their faith. Not sin. Not works of unrighteousness. Only through the abandonment of faith.

After all, when we sin, we must believe God will forgive us. That is a requirement of faith brother.

You're missing this.

We face the "trial of faith" our entire lives. We must live the Gospel. Live the Gospel until we realize ourselves just where we don't. Sometimes that takes decades. We never stop knowing ourselves and God MORE.

The more we know the more we realize just how we're not what we think we are. However, our relationship with God deepens.

You can't claim to love God will all your heart without learning your heart.

I've never taught in-depth on repentance, so I dont know how you can claim you already know what I believe.

I might post an article on Biblical repentance.
Then you can really know what my belief is.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I've never taught in-depth on repentance, so I dont know how you can claim you already know what I believe.

I might post an article on Biblical repentance.
Then you can really know what my belief is.

Go for it. I know what the Arminian position is. I've dealt with them my entire life. I was raised an Arminian by my mother.

So tell me, do you think you can actually change your mind to match God's mind?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

As an FYI in the states anyone that affirms TULIP is a Calvinist and they are synonymous terms. Now there is much more to Calvinism theology than tulip but this is its main identifier

yes, sadly I think we would agree with much of what they say outside of tulip

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

IT IS A WORK, JUST NOT A WORK OF LAW.

No

it is not a work

you can not try to define what it is, Jesus did. as Did paul

What part of this do you fail to understand

Yours but that is not what Paul is talking about.

this is where I get my defenition

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

No it is not.

read those passages he most certainly does.

To have faith is something that you do; it is a work.

It is only a work if YOU EARN something because of that work

You can not EARN salvation because you recieved it in faith.

Thats why you can not BOAST of saving yourself because you recieved it in faith

Only in the sense that you heard the word about Christ (Rom 10:17)

smh, You just can not see can you?

why do you want to take honor and glory from God and give it to yourself?

Why would you even fathom of boasting in your own faith?

I am not boasting, you are the one boasting.

My faith came from the work of God