Need a reason to believe Calvinists are who they claim to be?

I don't believe God does everything he could to convince us. The idea is comforting but it doesn't meet reality. I wish I could say such but I can't.
I didn't say that God does everything He could to convince us. I said that God has done everything necessary to give us the reason to have faith in Him.
I believe that people face damnation that they don't really understand.
I believe that as well. But that is not due to lack of information and data from God.
I believe we exert influence ourselves upon those around us that can either foster faith or hinder faith. Life is a complex mix of our wills and God's will. At times, we are the reasons that mankind face damnation and that men/women will end up in hell because of us.
We may have not done the best that we could have in reaching others. Nevertheless, I don't believe that God will blame us for those who do not come to faith.
There are concepts of this found in the "Federal Headship" of Adam generally taught within several theological circles but this teaching really isn't what they make it to be.
I don't believe in the concept of a "Federal Headship" at all. God's plan of salvation is a plan that deals with the individual quite apart from anyone else.
We are our brother's keeper. Men suffer and thrive often based upon US.
We are our brother's keeper only in that we are preachers in the sense of Romans 10:14-17. We are not responsible for those who fail to heed what the preachers teach. That is Paul's message in 1 Corinthians 3:14-15. The work there is the building up of the body of Christ built on the foundation laid by Christ.
 
This is why I do not like discussion on any Bible subject with Eternally Grateful,

He first told me at the beginning of My post that I was misrepresenting him and called me a liar,


EG answer:

Now I interpreted his verse and said this:

Now EG accuses me of misrepresenting him:


EG Now explains again who does the believing in Christ, God or man.

So now I thought he believes my position i.e. man does the work of believing so I said:

His response is now that God does the work of believing in us. Man does not do the work of faith. Which is how I explained his position the very first time he gave it. And he accused me of misrepresenting him and called me a liar.

Recap:


EG, accuses me of lying and misrepresenting his belief.




Eternally Grateful falsely accused me of misrepresenting his position on who does the work of believing in Jesus God or man?
My position has always been man does the work of faith. God does not do the believing for us.

Eternally Grateful is now taking both sides, which shows his ignorance on this subject and is why I do not like to engage with him in discussion.
He accuses me of something he is confused about. He cannot give logical answers, instead he contradicts himself which exposes his inability to even know if I'm right or wrong. Yet he always is quick to accuse me of false teaching.
ok Dude. I am about this close to reporting you for harrassment and false accusation

I will tell you like I told @Jim

Jesus said, It is the WORK OF GOD that WE BELIEVE.

No place and at no time did I ever say God believes for us.

And at no place and in no time did Jesus say it is the work of God that he believes for us.



so if you want to continue with the same nonsense and continue to falsely accuse me.. Then I will report you..

This whole post trying to defend yourself and accuse me, Just backfired..
 
Then who does the work?
Eternally Grateful says neither does the work of faith!!!!
He is very confused.
I give up trying to explain John 6:28-29 to him.
1. if you stop trying to defeat calvinism, and listen to me. You would understand

How many times do I have to tell you

1. God draws us to him
2. Gods word (faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word)
to which we come to 3, The HS acts as a human spirit and helps us understand the truth of Gods word. and gives us the ability to make a free will choice to say yes lord. I believe, or no lord I will remain in unbelief.

you people are fighting a losint battle. Because you are trying to fight a doctrinal position FOR WHICH I DO NOT HOLD.

Until you repent and acknowledge that. you will continue to make fools of yourselves.
 
Eternally Grateful makes it clear I never falsely accused him of his accusation. Even though he accused me of this.
He has accused me multiple times in the past of being a meritorious works based salvationist.

He admits here that is what he posts about me.
reported. for false accusations.
 
The Bible never defines obedience to Gods will as meritorious works.
When one defines obedient works to God as meritorious works. They are twisting the word.

James 2:21-24 ; 26,
- was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar
- seest thou how faith wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect
- and the scriptures(Genesis 15:6) was fullfilled that said Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness and he was called the friend of God
- ye see then how that by works a man is justified and not by faith only
- for as the body without the spirit is dead so faith without works is dead also

James is teaching obedient works. You cannot define these works as meritorious without twisting the scriptures.

Since faith is a work that is essential to salvation.
You cannot be saved without obedient works like faith, 1John 3:23-24.
Therefore any gospel that teaches salvation is void of obedient faith(works) is a false gospel, Gal. 1:8
And any man that makes obedience to Gods commandments a work of merit is twisting the Scared Scriptures, 2 Peter 3 :16.
what is a meritorius work?

it is a work one does in order to merit something

If your working to merit salvation (get saved, keep saved or keep from losing salvation) the work you are doing is for self, is to merit something, to earn a reward. It is NOT a work done in love

however. if you do the EXACT SAME WORK Because you are saved, Because you were created new in Christ. Because you are following the law of Love (put the needs of others and God over your own) then these are not meritoirious works. because we expect nothing in return.
 
Are you claiming salvation is a merit system taught by James?
Are you a two gospels dispensationalist?
james did not teach a merit based salvation.

James exposed false believers who were hearers only Not doers.. and told them to test their own faith. to prove to themselves if their faith was real. or if it was dead (can this "claimed" faith save you?)
 
Key verse to understand James' teaching on chapter 2.
James 2:14,
- what doth it profit my brethren though a man say he hath faith and have not works can faith alone save him

The whole teaching of James is, can faith only save or obedient faith that works the commandments of God save.
James then teaches what is Biblical saving faith.
No

it is teaching people who are hearers only not doers to test their faith. If YOUR CLAIM to have faith. but have no works. is that real faith or is it dead.

Real faith produces works.. If you do nto have the works.. it shows you never had real faith.

works can not merit you salvation.. they are a result of salvation
 
Agreed, no one can be saved by dead faith.
You know a lot of folks think they have been saved by a dead faith?
James compares a dead faith to a dead corpse, James 2:26.
How much life is in a dead corpse?
No one is saved by dead faith

yet no one is saved by a dead faith that thinks they must work to merit salvation either.
 
first of, People need to listen to others before they go off and try to assume they know what they means
second. Jesus said it is the work of God that WE BELIEVE. He did not say it is the work of God that he believes for us.
third. Please stop with your anti calvinist rant. and start to listen to people. we get sick of being accused of things we do not believe because people are focused on defeating something, and not listening to what people are saying

Which is exactly what I have said since day 1. And if you were not on some silly rant to defeat Calvinism, and refuse to understand I am not a Calvinist. you would know that.,

now if you want to continue to do this like you have since I have first met you. I will continue to prove you have no understanding of anything i believe or say
I think that @Titus has demonstrated that you are very inconsistent and often irrational in the views you present here. Your discussion on the John 6:28-29 is very confusing. You reject the work of believing in Him as work that we do, So, then who does the work?

As for my anti-Calvinist rant, if I present what I believe is the truth of the gospel of God, that can only be seen as an anti-Calvinist rant by the Calvinist.
 
ok Dude. I am about this close to reporting you for harrassment and false accusation

I will tell you like I told @Jim

Jesus said, It is the WORK OF GOD that WE BELIEVE.

No place and at no time did I ever say God believes for us.

And at no place and in no time did Jesus say it is the work of God that he believes for us.



so if you want to continue with the same nonsense and continue to falsely accuse me.. Then I will report you..

This whole post trying to defend yourself and accuse me, Just backfired..
So then who is doing the work of believing if it is not a work that we do in order to obtain salvation and it is not God believing for us? If it is not a work that we do and not a work that God does, just who is doing the work of believing in Him?

How do you correlate John 6:28-29 which teaches that salvation is by the work of believing in Him with Paul's teaching of salvation by grace and not by works?
 
yes.

works produce fruit..

fruit is not merit. it does not do anything to the branch for which it grows. it is used by others..
when we are yielding to the Holy Spirit, not quenching the Holy Spirit then we are walking in the Spirit and good works, good fruit are the by product of abiding in the vine then we are filled with the Holy Spirit as Paul commands believer to be when he also commands believers to walk in the Spirit. That is something we do. Commands are for believers to obey. :)

1- do not quench the Holy Spirit
2- Walk in the Spirit
3- Be filled with the Spirit
4- Results in the fruit of the Spirit
5- This happens when we deny self, the flesh, take up our cross daily and follow Him.

hope this helps !!!
 
what is a meritorius work?

it is a work one does in order to merit something

If your working to merit salvation (get saved, keep saved or keep from losing salvation) the work you are doing is for self, is to merit something, to earn a reward. It is NOT a work done in love

however. if you do the EXACT SAME WORK Because you are saved, Because you were created new in Christ. Because you are following the law of Love (put the needs of others and God over your own) then these are not meritoirious works. because we expect nothing in return.
Doing the work of believing, which comes from the work of hearing and results in the work of repenting, confessing and being baptized in order to be saved, i.e., in order to be justified, regenerated and initially sanctified is not meritorious work. Doing that work does not mean that you have earned salvation. It means only that in doing that work God has promised to give you the gift of salvation. The simple truth is that eternal life is so valuable that there is nothing you could possibly do that would earn salvation. So then hearing, believing, repenting, confessing, and being baptized are indeed works done in order to receive salvation but they do not earn salvation; they are not meritorious works.
 
@Titus
So in your religion man is saved before he believes in Jesus.

This contradicts sound Bible doctrine
No problem on your misprinting something you did not mean to say, that does happen with all of us occasionally. You were gracious enough to correct it, that does speak of well your character.

Titus, please consider carefully what I will now say concerning your next point. Yes, I do teach according to the word of God, that regeneration proceeds believing. That truly should go without having to spend much time on this point, but we will. Not sure i'll finish this morning since I must leave to go to the doctor by 7:45, to be there by 8:00.

Titus this in no way contradict sound Bible teaching, it truly is just the opposite. Let us consider your scriptures you provided.
Acts 16:31,
- they said, believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household
Titus, you are going after sound bites instead of trying to seek its true senses, based upon the overall scriptures teaching on the given subject under consideration. You and I no doubt agree that the scriptures are one cohesive whole, teaching the same truth on the given subject from Genesis to Revelation. You are using the words save/saved/salvation in only one sense, and that is salvation from sin and condemnation, by doing so, you are leaving yourself open to be put to shame by any person who understands that we must seek the sense of the words of what we are reading, and never rely only sound bites, for God's truth is hidden under the words that he in His wisdom decided to use, in order to confound men, who come to his word with a preconceived notion of what they want to believe, concerning a god that they have formed in their own hearts of the kind of God they think the God of the scriptures should be if they were God.I have met many of such folks over my years serving God, defending his word to the best of my limited powers, which is less than most.

Acts 16:29​

"Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

The change in the jailor is dramatic and drastic ~ greater than even the earthquake and its effects. Of course he trembled, awaking out of sleep and immediately being pressed to suicide is traumatic. Titus, consider wisely the incredible change that occurred in this pagan Roman from suicide to salvation. He believed and obeyed Paul in a matter of panic and life-threatening danger … from a prisoner. He rushed to Paul and Silas and trembling from the severe situation fell down at their feet. After they raised him up, he brought them out and respectfully asked for salvation in some sense. The change in this man was by the grace of God. Contrast others that did not change with miracles present (John 9:30 11:47; Acts 4:16; 6:8-7:30; Consider carefully Luke 16:31! etc., etc.). Some would think that Paul and Silas had been singing, “Just As I Am,” that invited the jailor!
The jailor that had thrust them into the inner prison and locked their feet hours earlier now bowed. This is the change! This is salvation! This occurred before any exchange between Paul and the jailor.

Titus, please consider: this is very similar to what happened to a cursing thief crucified by Jesus ~ totally changed by God.

Total depravity, or by any other terminology, denies this response in spiritual sincerity by nature. The truth is that even a resurrection from the dead will not persuade a dead sinner (Luke 16:31).

And he brought them out, and said.​

He must only have brought them out of the inner prison, or dungeon, for they were still in the prison. At some moment before this, a great change had taken place for this pagan man to beg them for help. Many scriptures demands this to be so. Romans 3:9:18; 7:18; 8:7,8; etc.

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?​

Titus, it is a shame Arminian have abused this text as a cry for regeneration by the sound of words.

But I have heard them use Rev 3:20, so well know they are capable of any corruption of sense. If they were consistent, they would build an evangelistic tool from Peter’s words (Matt 14:30)! Denying man’s depravity and adoring freewill, they think all are an earthquake from salvation! They forget that Jesus said even a resurrection from the dead will not persuade (Luke 16:31). Other earthquakes have had an entirely different effect, hardening men (Lu 23:30; Re 6;16; 9:6).

If this was a sincere question for spiritual truth about God and salvation, he was already born again. The reason being is so clear from other scriptures, that a person must purposely close his eyes to them, which many do in protecting their bias doctrine against God's word.

There are none that fear God or seek God naturally, so any true fear or seeking were by God! A broken and contrite heart that got the apostle’s sincere response was a result of regeneration! Jesus answered insincere persons with provocative and confusing answers (john 6:24-66; 8:30-59). Since the time of his regeneration is not identified, we do not know on what side of Paul’s cry. Spirit regeneration is like the wind, it blows where it wills, and we only see evidence (John 3:8).

What in the world was the jailor seeking? Can we find the sense (Nehemiah 8;8; 2nd Timothy 2:15)? We do not settle theological or sotierological issues by historical accounts of speculations by pagans! Nebuchadnezzar declared he saw a man in the fiery furnace like the Son of God (Daniel 3:25)! We first know this speculative guess is wrong by the rest of scripture (Luke 1:35; John 1:14. We second know this speculative guess is wrong by the ignorance of the speaker (Daniel 3:1-6). And in this particular case of Nebuchadnezzar, the context explains he saw an angel (Daniel 3:28).

The jailor’s request was not that of a theological student but rather a terrified pagan Roman.

Consider first the things that by the context and scriptural declarations about man he was not asking. He was not a weekend theological student like Martin Luther asking for justification by faith. He had not read Billy Graham’s book about the new birth and was asking to be born again. The jailor was not asking Paul and Silas to hear more about Jesus Christ by their fine singing. The jailor was not asking Paul and Silas to repeat his favorite sermon that he had heard earlier. He was not asking to hear more about the streets of gold that he had heard them singing about. He did not know God’s holy claims against him by Adam and his sins and need of deliverance. The jailor was not asking Paul and Silas how they cast out the damsel’s devil with a Name.

Consider then the things that by context and scriptural declarations of grace he might have thought. He may have feared the earthquake and spoke like Peter (Matt 14:30), but we grant him more. He was afraid of the consequences of prisoners escaping, but we give him credit for more here. The creation reveals God’s eternal power, and regeneration makes it convicting (Romans 1:18-23). The providence of the situation also revealed divine power, which is further convicting as above. The conscience of the man, the candle of the Lord, was pricked by Paul’s response (Acts 16:28). With the longings of Cornelius, but much more ignorant, he sought hope toward God and life. Under great fear and conviction, he was seeking peace with God and hope for a hopeless life. Maybe he knew the frequent testimony of the devil-possessed damsel about the men (Acts 16:17). He likely had vague notions, made lively by regeneration, of God and coming eternal judgment. He did not do more than what God expects your conduct to solicit from others (1st Peter 3:21). As shown above, and as could be proved by many scriptures, he was already born again before faith. I must stop and come back and make one more posit shorty on this verse. I did not want to go over this verse in a rush, you and others deserve it to be address thoroughly, besides, this is my manner overall, at least one time around, after that I will not do so again.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.​

 
Acts 16:31 ~ "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."


And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.​

To study this verse, one should first be established in the full doctrine of all phases of salvation. Eternal, legal, vital, practical, and future~such as:

Romans 13:11​

“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.”

The words save/saved/salvation are used in different senses in the scriptures, missing this important truth is one of the reasons there are so much false teachings in the churches throughout this world. It was so with me in the beginning of my walk with God back in the early seventies ~ it was truly a blessing from God once my eyes were open to not trust in the sounds of words, but look for it true meanings, a true workman that needeth no to be ashamed, but will be put to shame if one does not seek for itsw true meaning. The word Israel is used in different senses, miss this and you will end up in error like so many have on that subject. On and on we could go.

So, knowing this, our faith of any kind does not change a person’s standing before God, which "was" secured by Jesus Christ Faith is the evidence and proof of eternal life by which sinners lay hold of it for assurance. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved from a Legion of heresies of false doctrine. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved in the great Day of Judgment from the lake of fire. To study this verse, you should first read the comments provided above for the previous post. The first thing we must do when hearing the gospel account of Jesus Christ is to believe His reality! Paul and Silas were what they were and did what they did by the knowledge and power of Christ. They introduced Jesus Christ to this ignorant and pagan Roman, then they told him much more. If anyone asks us what they must do to be saved, this should be our answer, and then add to it! Paul most certainly added everything to this simple beginning in faith to agree with all of scripture. Paul would have said faith alone is nothing, for baptism is also necessary (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; etc.). Unlike Martin Luther in his ignorance, Paul would have declared James 2:14-26, with boldness. In teaching the doctrine of election, he would have listed its proof (2nd Peter. 1:5-11; 1st Thessalonians 1:2-4; etc. ).

And thou shalt be saved.​

To study this verse, you should first be established in the full doctrine of all phases of salvation, and not to rely on just sound mere sound of words in favorite of the true biblical sense that will flow with all scriptures to givee us the truth.

Again, faith of any kind does not change a person’s standing before God, which was secured by Jesus. As I have said, faith is the evidence and proof of eternal life by which sinners lay hold of it for assurance. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved from a Legion of heresies of false doctrine. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved in the great Day of Judgment from hellfire.

It is a shame Arminian sophists have abused this text as means for regeneration based on the sound of words; but if you have heard them use Rev 3:20, you know they are capable of any corruption.

What did Paul offer? Can we wisely find the sense of his words (Nehemiah 8:8; 2nd Timothy 2:15)? Yes we can.

Paul did not offer the jailor election, predestination, justification, regeneration, or any such thing.

Three phases of salvation occur prior to believing (eternal, legal, and vital), and there are two phases that follow it (practical and final). If you do not learn these, this passage is beyond you, and you will not see its truth. Paul offered him peace with God and hope through the gospel of Jesus Christ, and he further offered by the Spirit the same peace and hope for his entire family. Paul offered the means of gospel salvation and the evidence of final salvation, by belief in Christ. Paul did not offer him anything at all by mere faith alone (James 2:14-26; Galatians 5:6; etc.).

Contrary to all Fundamentalists, this is not the formula for regeneration of dead men to eternal life.

Regeneration precedes any faith or action toward God (John 1;13; 3:3-8; 5:24,25; 1st John 5:1; etc.). There was no question about the Lordship of Jesus Christ – He is the Lord and proved it to him! There was nothing of inviting Jesus into his heart or other Arminian sophism mentioned at all. There is no prayer offered or repeated, for they had to teach him the gospel record of Jesus first. The jailor believed because he was ordained to eternal life, not the other way around (Acts 13:48, etc.).

We do not from this supernatural operation of God form jail ministries for blaspheming criminals. Paul did not visit the prison to minister – Paul was inside the prison bars for casting out devils! The jailor called on Paul, rather than Paul calling on him, for the Lord made the great change. It is a fact of life or law of nature that prisoners will pray just as those on the deck of the Titanic.

And thy house.​

Salvation to eternal life as a change in position or standing before God is not part of this passage. Faith is the means of practical salvation (conversion) and the claim by evidence for final salvation (glorification), and nothing more should be read into the jailor’s salvation or that of his family. The salvation here is what a father can do for a family by delivering them from superstition to faith. Abraham and Joshua were both such fathers that their families reaped a practical salvation by them. But there was also the fact that the inspired apostle and prophet knew things we do not (Acts 18:10!).

Timothy could save himself and all that heard him, which is way beyond a mere family.

1 Timothy 4:15,16​

“Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”
 
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I didn't say that God does everything He could to convince us. I said that God has done everything necessary to give us the reason to have faith in Him.

Word parsing. Nothing more. God he has not. He has given such to mankind but that doesn't mean that God, Himself has directly given such to all men. It is our responsibility to pass our faith on to others. What God has given to mankind is NOW watered down to the point most people preach a Christ that doesn't exist. The "Christ" they preach is of their own making.

I believe that as well. But that is not due to lack of information and data from God.

Jude himself talked of the need during his day to "earnest contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints". Even during the time of the apostles,

I Cor 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

You need to correct your understanding.

We may have not done the best that we could have in reaching others. Nevertheless, I don't believe that God will blame us for those who do not come to faith.

I Cor 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

God spoke of the watchman that he had set forth to humanity and how that watchman was guilty for not warning others. The real battle today isn't Budda or Allah. The real battle is the battle for the Character of God in Jesus Christ. The very "Personhood" of God Incarnation. WHO Jesus is. This world is full of people claiming Christ when all they have is an idol of their imaginations. Same name. Similar message but it gets you no where.

I don't believe in the concept of a "Federal Headship" at all. God's plan of salvation is a plan that deals with the individual quite apart from anyone else.

Believe what you want. Paul said very clearly that he had begotten sons into family of God through the Gospel.

We are our brother's keeper only in that we are preachers in the sense of Romans 10:14-17. We are not responsible for those who fail to heed what the preachers teach. That is Paul's message in 1 Corinthians 3:14-15. The work there is the building up of the body of Christ built on the foundation laid by Christ..

No. We are all of the same blood. We are intimately related to each other in Adam. Don't let this nonsense of "modern sensibilities" tell you differently.

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

1 Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
 
@Titus

No problem on your misprinting something you did not mean to say, that does happen with all of us occasionally. You were gracious enough to correct it, that does speak of well your character.

Titus, please consider carefully what I will now say concerning your next point. Yes, I do teach according to the word of God, that regeneration proceeds believing. That truly should go without having to spend much time on this point, but we will. Not sure i'll finish this morning since I must leave to go to the doctor by 7:45, to be there by 8:00.

Titus this in no way contradict sound Bible teaching, it truly is just the opposite. Let us consider your scriptures you provided.

Titus, you are going after sound bites instead of trying to seek its true senses, based upon the overall scriptures teaching on the given subject under consideration. You and I no doubt agree that the scriptures are one cohesive whole, teaching the same truth on the given subject from Genesis to Revelation. You are using the words save/saved/salvation in only one sense, and that is salvation from sin and condemnation, by doing so, you are leaving yourself open to be put to shame by any person who understands that we must seek the sense of the words of what we are reading, and never rely only sound bites, for God's truth is hidden under the words that he in His wisdom decided to use, in order to confound men, who come to his word with a preconceived notion of what they want to believe, concerning a god that they have formed in their own hearts of the kind of God they think the God of the scriptures should be if they were God.I have met many of such folks over my years serving God, defending his word to the best of my limited powers, which is less than most.

Acts 16:29​

"Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

The change in the jailor is dramatic and drastic ~ greater than even the earthquake and its effects. Of course he trembled, awaking out of sleep and immediately being pressed to suicide is traumatic. Titus, consider wisely the incredible change that occurred in this pagan Roman from suicide to salvation. He believed and obeyed Paul in a matter of panic and life-threatening danger … from a prisoner. He rushed to Paul and Silas and trembling from the severe situation fell down at their feet. After they raised him up, he brought them out and respectfully asked for salvation in some sense. The change in this man was by the grace of God. Contrast others that did not change with miracles present (John 9:30 11:47; Acts 4:16; 6:8-7:30; Consider carefully Luke 16:31! etc., etc.). Some would think that Paul and Silas had been singing, “Just As I Am,” that invited the jailor!
The jailor that had thrust them into the inner prison and locked their feet hours earlier now bowed. This is the change! This is salvation! This occurred before any exchange between Paul and the jailor.

Titus, please consider: this is very similar to what happened to a cursing thief crucified by Jesus ~ totally changed by God.

Total depravity, or by any other terminology, denies this response in spiritual sincerity by nature. The truth is that even a resurrection from the dead will not persuade a dead sinner (Luke 16:31).

And he brought them out, and said.​

He must only have brought them out of the inner prison, or dungeon, for they were still in the prison. At some moment before this, a great change had taken place for this pagan man to beg them for help. Many scriptures demands this to be so. Romans 3:9:18; 7:18; 8:7,8; etc.

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?​

Titus, it is a shame Arminian have abused this text as a cry for regeneration by the sound of words.

But I have heard them use Rev 3:20, so well know they are capable of any corruption of sense. If they were consistent, they would build an evangelistic tool from Peter’s words (Matt 14:30)! Denying man’s depravity and adoring freewill, they think all are an earthquake from salvation! They forget that Jesus said even a resurrection from the dead will not persuade (Luke 16:31). Other earthquakes have had an entirely different effect, hardening men (Lu 23:30; Re 6;16; 9:6).

If this was a sincere question for spiritual truth about God and salvation, he was already born again. The reason being is so clear from other scriptures, that a person must purposely close his eyes to them, which many do in protecting their bias doctrine against God's word.

There are none that fear God or seek God naturally, so any true fear or seeking were by God! A broken and contrite heart that got the apostle’s sincere response was a result of regeneration! Jesus answered insincere persons with provocative and confusing answers (john 6:24-66; 8:30-59). Since the time of his regeneration is not identified, we do not know on what side of Paul’s cry. Spirit regeneration is like the wind, it blows where it wills, and we only see evidence (John 3:8).

What in the world was the jailor seeking? Can we find the sense (Nehemiah 8;8; 2nd Timothy 2:15)? We do not settle theological or sotierological issues by historical accounts of speculations by pagans! Nebuchadnezzar declared he saw a man in the fiery furnace like the Son of God (Daniel 3:25)! We first know this speculative guess is wrong by the rest of scripture (Luke 1:35; John 1:14. We second know this speculative guess is wrong by the ignorance of the speaker (Daniel 3:1-6). And in this particular case of Nebuchadnezzar, the context explains he saw an angel (Daniel 3:28).

The jailor’s request was not that of a theological student but rather a terrified pagan Roman.

Consider first the things that by the context and scriptural declarations about man he was not asking. He was not a weekend theological student like Martin Luther asking for justification by faith. He had not read Billy Graham’s book about the new birth and was asking to be born again. The jailor was not asking Paul and Silas to hear more about Jesus Christ by their fine singing. The jailor was not asking Paul and Silas to repeat his favorite sermon that he had heard earlier. He was not asking to hear more about the streets of gold that he had heard them singing about. He did not know God’s holy claims against him by Adam and his sins and need of deliverance. The jailor was not asking Paul and Silas how they cast out the damsel’s devil with a Name.

Consider then the things that by context and scriptural declarations of grace he might have thought. He may have feared the earthquake and spoke like Peter (Matt 14:30), but we grant him more. He was afraid of the consequences of prisoners escaping, but we give him credit for more here. The creation reveals God’s eternal power, and regeneration makes it convicting (Romans 1:18-23). The providence of the situation also revealed divine power, which is further convicting as above. The conscience of the man, the candle of the Lord, was pricked by Paul’s response (Acts 16:28). With the longings of Cornelius, but much more ignorant, he sought hope toward God and life. Under great fear and conviction, he was seeking peace with God and hope for a hopeless life. Maybe he knew the frequent testimony of the devil-possessed damsel about the men (Acts 16:17). He likely had vague notions, made lively by regeneration, of God and coming eternal judgment. He did not do more than what God expects your conduct to solicit from others (1st Peter 3:21). As shown above, and as could be proved by many scriptures, he was already born again before faith. I must stop and come back and make one more posit shorty on this verse. I did not want to go over this verse in a rush, you and others deserve it to be address thoroughly, besides, this is my manner overall, at least one time around, after that I will not do so again.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.​

Acts 16:31 ~ "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."


And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.​

To study this verse, one should first be established in the full doctrine of all phases of salvation. Eternal, legal, vital, practical, and future~such as:

Romans 13:11​

“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.”

The words save/saved/salvation are used in different senses in the scriptures, missing this important truth is one of the reasons there are so much false teachings in the churches throughout this world. It was so with me in the beginning of my walk with God back in the early seventies ~ it was truly a blessing from God once my eyes were open to not trust in the sounds of words, but look for it true meanings, a true workman that needeth no to be ashamed, but will be put to shame if one does not seek for itsw true meaning. The word Israel is used in different senses, miss this and you will end up in error like so many have on that subject. On and on we could go.

So, knowing this, our faith of any kind does not change a person’s standing before God, which "was" secured by Jesus Christ Faith is the evidence and proof of eternal life by which sinners lay hold of it for assurance. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved from a Legion of heresies of false doctrine. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved in the great Day of Judgment from the lake of fire. To study this verse, you should first read the comments provided above for the previous post. The first thing we must do when hearing the gospel account of Jesus Christ is to believe His reality! Paul and Silas were what they were and did what they did by the knowledge and power of Christ. They introduced Jesus Christ to this ignorant and pagan Roman, then they told him much more. If anyone asks us what they must do to be saved, this should be our answer, and then add to it! Paul most certainly added everything to this simple beginning in faith to agree with all of scripture. Paul would have said faith alone is nothing, for baptism is also necessary (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; etc.). Unlike Martin Luther in his ignorance, Paul would have declared James 2:14-26, with boldness. In teaching the doctrine of election, he would have listed its proof (2nd Peter. 1:5-11; 1st Thessalonians 1:2-4; etc. ).

And thou shalt be saved.​

To study this verse, you should first be established in the full doctrine of all phases of salvation, and not to rely on just sound mere sound of words in favorite of the true biblical sense that will flow with all scriptures to givee us the truth.

Again, faith of any kind does not change a person’s standing before God, which was secured by Jesus. As I have said, faith is the evidence and proof of eternal life by which sinners lay hold of it for assurance. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved from a Legion of heresies of false doctrine. The man who believes on Jesus Christ will be saved in the great Day of Judgment from hellfire.

It is a shame Arminian sophists have abused this text as means for regeneration based on the sound of words; but if you have heard them use Rev 3:20, you know they are capable of any corruption.

What did Paul offer? Can we wisely find the sense of his words (Nehemiah 8:8; 2nd Timothy 2:15)? Yes we can.

Paul did not offer the jailor election, predestination, justification, regeneration, or any such thing.

Three phases of salvation occur prior to believing (eternal, legal, and vital), and there are two phases that follow it (practical and final). If you do not learn these, this passage is beyond you, and you will not see its truth. Paul offered him peace with God and hope through the gospel of Jesus Christ, and he further offered by the Spirit the same peace and hope for his entire family. Paul offered the means of gospel salvation and the evidence of final salvation, by belief in Christ. Paul did not offer him anything at all by mere faith alone (James 2:14-26; Galatians 5:6; etc.).

Contrary to all Fundamentalists, this is not the formula for regeneration of dead men to eternal life.

Regeneration precedes any faith or action toward God (John 1;13; 3:3-8; 5:24,25; 1st John 5:1; etc.). There was no question about the Lordship of Jesus Christ – He is the Lord and proved it to him! There was nothing of inviting Jesus into his heart or other Arminian sophism mentioned at all. There is no prayer offered or repeated, for they had to teach him the gospel record of Jesus first. The jailor believed because he was ordained to eternal life, not the other way around (Acts 13:48, etc.).

We do not from this supernatural operation of God form jail ministries for blaspheming criminals. Paul did not visit the prison to minister – Paul was inside the prison bars for casting out devils! The jailor called on Paul, rather than Paul calling on him, for the Lord made the great change. It is a fact of life or law of nature that prisoners will pray just as those on the deck of the Titanic.

And thy house.​

Salvation to eternal life as a change in position or standing before God is not part of this passage. Faith is the means of practical salvation (conversion) and the claim by evidence for final salvation (glorification), and nothing more should be read into the jailor’s salvation or that of his family. The salvation here is what a father can do for a family by delivering them from superstition to faith. Abraham and Joshua were both such fathers that their families reaped a practical salvation by them. But there was also the fact that the inspired apostle and prophet knew things we do not (Acts 18:10!).

Timothy could save himself and all that heard him, which is way beyond a mere family.

1 Timothy 4:15,16​

“Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”
Such a great distortion in all of that. There is almost no way to respond to it. It is like trying to convince someone of the existence of gravity when he is absolutely convinced that it doesn't exist. I have had a discussion with just such a person. He was convinced that there was no such thing as gravity and instead it was simply the power of God causing what others asserted was the force of gravity. His argument was that God didn't need gravity to act in God's stead.
 
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