Rockson
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I've entitled my thread, "Men Do Have a Certain Work" that is for salvation but it's not a work seeking to be saved they the keeping of the law, but rather by an act of faith. That's the context of which Paul was speaking of in Eph 2:8 when talking about works.....not a work of faith but rather the work of seeking to be saved by the keeping of the law. You ARE NOT saved by such but you are saved by an act or yes (I won't back down from it) by a work of faith which WE DO and not God.
Yes I know many dear Calvinists will hunker down and persist in their false interpretation of Eph 2:8 "Not of works" part of a verse but I'd hope at least some of them will have a second look at what Jesus said about it and that in turn is what Paul meant about it too. Let's go to Jn 6:26,30 and I think I might be able to show a verse they've never given much consideration. Calvinists will look at Jn 6:29 and assert something in error about it and THEY WILL NOT look at the verses around it . I appeal however to Calvinists which are honest and sincere. Let's look at the 4 verses below, ALL OF THEM.
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? Jn 6:26,30
Let's unpack this. Jesus told them THEY were working for something....THEY WERE! Not God They were working for the food which perishes but Jesus told them they were not to work for that which perishes BUT....BUT they were to work, YES WORK for a different thing......to work for the food which endures to eternal life which the Son of Man would give them which he would give them AFTER they worked......but that is the WORK OF FAITH they were to work.
Not the work of trying to be saved by the keeping of the law (which Paul spoke about) but rather the work of faith. They asked Jesus what was the work that THEY were to do? Jesus told them this was the work they were to do.....believe on the Son. They all knew what Jesus meant by that even his emeries! Not one of them could say what Jesus said wasn't clear!
Not one of them said, "Of well if God puts all the believing in us (as a Calvinist would say) then OK God if we're not believing it's your fault!" Not one of them said that! They basically replied to Jesus in verse 30, Ok you're saying WE MUST do a certain work.....and that work is to believe in you, for that is what you've said.....now what sign will you do so that we can, we can, WE CAN DO THIS WORK. Folks context is KING! The work of a person in believing is something THEY DO not God.
Yes I know many dear Calvinists will hunker down and persist in their false interpretation of Eph 2:8 "Not of works" part of a verse but I'd hope at least some of them will have a second look at what Jesus said about it and that in turn is what Paul meant about it too. Let's go to Jn 6:26,30 and I think I might be able to show a verse they've never given much consideration. Calvinists will look at Jn 6:29 and assert something in error about it and THEY WILL NOT look at the verses around it . I appeal however to Calvinists which are honest and sincere. Let's look at the 4 verses below, ALL OF THEM.
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? Jn 6:26,30
Let's unpack this. Jesus told them THEY were working for something....THEY WERE! Not God They were working for the food which perishes but Jesus told them they were not to work for that which perishes BUT....BUT they were to work, YES WORK for a different thing......to work for the food which endures to eternal life which the Son of Man would give them which he would give them AFTER they worked......but that is the WORK OF FAITH they were to work.
Not the work of trying to be saved by the keeping of the law (which Paul spoke about) but rather the work of faith. They asked Jesus what was the work that THEY were to do? Jesus told them this was the work they were to do.....believe on the Son. They all knew what Jesus meant by that even his emeries! Not one of them could say what Jesus said wasn't clear!
Not one of them said, "Of well if God puts all the believing in us (as a Calvinist would say) then OK God if we're not believing it's your fault!" Not one of them said that! They basically replied to Jesus in verse 30, Ok you're saying WE MUST do a certain work.....and that work is to believe in you, for that is what you've said.....now what sign will you do so that we can, we can, WE CAN DO THIS WORK. Folks context is KING! The work of a person in believing is something THEY DO not God.
