Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[Truther]

It's not a name it's who he is. The Son of God, the Second member of the trinity. God in the flesh. Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers. That can be found in John 10:17–18

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Only God can address him as "son".

You must address him as "Jesus".

You aint his daddy.

 

[TomL]

Oh.. like Jesus being the whole triune being?

Yes that is it.

 

[Red Baker]

Only God can address him as "son".

You must address him as "Jesus".

Not so~to true believers he's the Lord Jesus Christ, or Jesus Christ, that separates the Word of life from many other Jesus'/Joshua's, etc.

His disciples started the Church of Acts 2:38. Anyone that disobeys Acts 2:38 is in a different church. The new church started as the RCC to oppose obedience to Acts 2:38. Protestants are her daughters because they join her in this opposition. It’s all about Acts 2:38

You are so confused on many truths.

What is the meaning of the word Church? Called out one~Where there are two or more gathering together in one place ~ there you have a church where Jesus is in the midst of. There has always been a church in the true sense in which the word is understood. See Acts 7:38:

"This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

Jesus said: Matthew 18:17-20~"And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Them referring to the church!

Acts 2:38 is not in a vacuum~it must be understood in light of all scriptures. I have dealt with this one verse in this thread already, not going to do so again.

I'm also not protestant.. or catholic.. independent baptists historically have no known human founder.

HIstorically, Particular Baptist (the first London Confession of Faith) have been known to be separated from EOC, RCC and protestant reformation, for whatever that is worth in the eyes of God.

Independent Baptist in our day is not much different from Pentecostalism with a few exceptions. Independent Baptist, I believe have some sincere folks in them, yet they of all groups, are, I believe the most shallow in knowing their bibles, and I do not say this in trying to hurt them, but I live on the buckle of the bible belt that is ruled by Independents Baptist. Greenville S.C. UpState of South Carolina. I started out in them fifty years ago, and left them within two to three years. Their eschatology is pitiful~that comes from the Scofield Reference Bible~not form God's word.

Then there's this part of Matthew 16.
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

I think you meant to say Mark 16~I believe you can take the words of Jesus and prove that they still are happening in our day, when applied spiritually.
Consider: https://www.mountainretreatorg.net/eschatology/these_signs_shall_follow_them_that_believe.shtml

 

[Doug Brents]

Okay, the son of Doug's parents(your new name), since I don't like saying "Doug" as much as folks don't like saying Jesus....

I have been called much worse. But again, I have two brothers, and they are also "son of Doug's parents", so the title does not indicate a particular individual. Son of God indicates a single individual out of the trillions that have lived in history.

But you haven't answered my question: What is the true name of the Father? Can you give me His name as opposed to any of His titles?

 

[Red Baker]

What is the true name of the Father? Can you give me His name as opposed to any of His titles?

God is his title~JEHOVAH is his name!

Our God’s name is Jehovah, I AM THAT I AM (Ex 3:14; 6:3; Ps 83:18). We are not Jehovah’s Witnesses, the brainwashed followers of Charles Taze Russell and Judge Rutherford. It is a shame so many Christians do not know the name of their God and His Son Jesus, whose exalted name means Jehovah is salvation (Matt 1:21). It is a shame they think God is His name, when it is rather one of His titles.

But do folks truly know the God of the Bible? Even if they know His name is Jehovah? Do they know He created all things for Himself, even the wicked for the day of evil (Pr 16:4)? Do they know He blinds men with strong delusion every day like He did at Babel (II Thess 2:9-13)? Do they know He elected and predestinated some men to be His sons, and He sent His Son to die for them (Rom 8:28-33)?

 

[Red Baker]

What Is God’s Name?​

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Ex 3:13-15

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Exodus 6:3

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalm 83:18


The Bible records the names of many gods – Ashtoreth of the Zidonians, Baal of the Phoenicians, Chemosh of the Moabites, Dagon of the Philistines, Milcom of the Ammonites, and many others.

Religions in the world today have names for their gods – Allah for Islam, Krishna and Vishnu and Shiva among many deities of the Hindus, the Great Spirit of the American Indians, and many others.

Paul admitted the world’s many gods, but they are nothing. Christians know there is only one God (I Cor 8:4-6). Paul exposed the Greek’s idolatry, polytheism, and ignorance of the true God (Acts 17:18-31).

A Creator God is easily known by creation, providence, and conscience, but the Bible is the only supernatural source that names God and provides all the attributes of His Person, character, and conduct.

The Bible begins with God existing in eternity and creating the universe from nothing (Gen 1:1-3). This God revealed Himself to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as the one only Almighty God (Gen 17:1; 28:3).

The Bible mocks all other gods as nonexistent figments of human imagination and men serving them as being as stupid as their idols and held captive by their own lies (Ps 115:1-8; Is 43:8-15; 44:7-10).

But God chose one nation on earth for religious worship, and He revealed Himself much more fully to them, including His name. The Creator God of the Bible is Jehovah, which means, I AM THAT I AM.

This eternal, independent, and infinite Being is the only God. Any contrary claim has no basis beyond the imagination and lies of men. For example, Allah may be no more than the moon god of the Arabians.

The four consonants of I AM THAT I AM form the Jewish tetragrammaton, which the KJV identifies over 6,000 times as LORD (all capitals). The tetragrammaton pointed up with vowels is Jehovah.

Many Bible names include portions or all of Jehovah as prefixes or suffixes e.g. Jehovah-Jireh (Gen 22:14), Jehoshua (Num 13:16), Jehoshaphat (II Sam 8:16), Elijah (I Ki 17:1), and Alleluia (Rev 19:1).

Jehovah, I AM THAT I AM, is the only true and living God, the Creator God of the Bible. His Son is Jesus, or Jehoshua in Hebrew, which means Jehovah is salvation, as the angel specified (Matt 1:21).

Do you know this God? The Bible tells you about Him and His Son. You should fear and love both.

 

[Red Baker]

There Is Only One God​

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.​

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)​

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.​

I Corinthians 8:4-6​

Islam says Allah is the only God, but Allah is the moon god of the Arabians. Their god is at the top of every mosque – a crescent moon. Their Kaaba stone in Mecca is a meteorite, so they worship nothing, just as Paul wrote – the moon and a meteorite!

The Hindus are more honest – they have millions or billions of gods – total confusion by imaginations gone to seed. Buddhists are not sure if Buddha was a god or not. Animists think your chair might be a god. Ancestor worship stoops even lower.

The God of the Bible is Jehovah. He revealed Himself more fully to Moses as I AM THAT I AM. No other god has a name like that! He is eternally and infinitely independent of all other beings and creatures. He alone is the supreme Being.

He looked for other gods, but He could not find any. He wanted to humiliate them by His superior wisdom and power. If you want to read about the LORD God Jehovah boasting, then read Isaiah chapters 40-49. Just make sure you trust Him!

The greatest proof of God’s existence and His power to perform is fulfilled prophecies. The gods of other religions have no such thing. If they claim prophecies for their gods, they were never fulfilled, and most are wise enough to

The God of the Bible loves to make fun of other gods and those that worship them (Ps 115:1-8; Is 44:9-20). You should enjoy making fun them as well, like Elijah (I Kgs 18:21-29). If you like dominating wins, Jehovah over other gods is dominating!

The Trinity does not change the fact there is only one God. There are not three Gods. There is only one God, but He exists by three Persons (Gen 1:1,26; Deut 6:4; Is 6:8; I John 5:7). There is only One Spirit, but seven manifestations (Rev 3:1; 4:5; 5:6).

God and Jesus are different. Jesus is not another God. Jesus is a Man (I Tim 2:15). Jesus is the fullness of God in a body (Col 2:9). Jesus is God made flesh to die for His people (Jn 1:14; Phil 2:5-11). Jesus is subordinate to God (I Cor 15:28).

 

[Truther]

Not so~to true believers he's the Lord Jesus Christ, or Jesus Christ, that separates the Word of life from many other Jesus'/Joshua's, etc.

You are so confused on many truths.

What is the meaning of the word Church? Called out one~Where there are two or more gathering together in one place ~ there you have a church where Jesus is in the midst of. There has always been a church in the true sense in which the word is understood. See Acts 7:38:

"This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

Jesus said: Matthew 18:17-20~"And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Them referring to the church!

Acts 2:38 is not in a vacuum~it must be understood in light of all scriptures. I have dealt with this one verse in this thread already, not going to do so again.

HIstorically, Particular Baptist (the first London Confession of Faith) have been known to be separated from EOC, RCC and protestant reformation, for whatever that is worth in the eyes of God.

Independent Baptist in our day is not much different from Pentecostalism with a few exceptions. Independent Baptist, I believe have some sincere folks in them, yet they of all groups, are, I believe the most shallow in knowing their bibles, and I do not say this in trying to hurt them, but I live on the buckle of the bible belt that is ruled by Independents Baptist. Greenville S.C. UpState of South Carolina. I started out in them fifty years ago, and left them within two to three years. Their eschatology is pitiful~that comes from the Scofield Reference Bible~not form God's word.

I think you meant to say Mark 16~I believe you can take the words of Jesus and prove that they still are happening in our day, when applied spiritually.
Consider: https://www.mountainretreatorg.net/eschatology/these_signs_shall_follow_them_that_believe.shtml

Howbout this, son...you pray to the Lord and you address him by title.

I will address him by his proper name.

You do words and deeds in his title.

I will do words and deeds in his name.

You can go around saying there is no other title under heaven given among men...

I will say there is no other name ...


All because you don't obey Acts 2:38.

This is the underlying fact.

 

[Truther]

I have been called much worse. But again, I have two brothers, and they are also "son of Doug's parents", so the title does not indicate a particular individual. Son of God indicates a single individual out of the trillions that have lived in history.

But you haven't answered my question: What is the true name of the Father? Can you give me His name as opposed to any of His titles?

Aaah, a trinity of sons.

Good thing your folks named you exclusively and not just put "son" on your birth certificates instead of names, huh?

I can see it now..."son, get in here and eat dinner now"....as the other 2 are confused because they are eating already.

Doctor, "what do you want to name this kid"?

Parent, "son".


Now, the name of the Father is Jesus.(he came in his Father's name...an INHERITED name. just like we can inherit our fathers name).

The name of the son is Jesus.(not son)

The name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus.(the Holy Ghost is sent in Jesus name, The Lord is that Spirit, etc)

 

[Doug Brents]

God is his title~JEHOVAH is his name!

Jehovah means LORD. It is a title, not a name.

Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)​

First seen in Genesis 2:4 – Used 6519 times in the Bible

Yahweh is the promised proper name of God. It means Lord and Master. By Jewish tradition this name is too holy to pronounce or write. Therefore they just wrote four letters without any vowels: YHWH. Jews stopped saying the name all together in the third century AD. They stopped saying this name because they were afraid of violating the fourth commandment that prohibits misusing, or taking the Lord’s name in vain. Therefore scholars today don’t know for sure if the original pronunciation was Yahweh or Jehovah.

Tradition follows the convention used in the King James Version which translates YHWH by itself as Lord with a capital L and small capital letters for the rest of the word. This is done to set it apart from other uses of the word lord. Then whenever YHWH occurs as a compound name with other words the translators use the word Jehovah instead. This is by far the most common one of the names of God found in the Bible.

 

[Doug Brents]

Now, the name of the Father is Jesus.(he came in his Father's name...an INHERITED name. just like we can inherit our fathers name).

Oh, the name of the Father is Jesus? Interesting. So Jesus (who came in the flesh) was Jesus Junior? Is the Holy Spirit Jesus the Third?

The name of the son is Jesus.(not son)

You named your son, Jesus? I thought we were talking about Jesus, the Son of God. Notice the capital "S" in His name. It is significant. The Son is not the same as a son.

The name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus.(the Holy Ghost is sent in Jesus name, The Lord is that Spirit, etc)

Really? Show me where the Spirit is named Jesus in Scripture, please. I have never seen it.

 

[Truther]

Oh, the name of the Father is Jesus? Interesting. So Jesus (who came in the flesh) was Jesus Junior? Is the Holy Spirit Jesus the Third?

You named your son, Jesus? I thought we were talking about Jesus, the Son of God. Notice the capital "S" in His name. It is significant. The Son is not the same as a son.

Really? Show me where the Spirit is named Jesus in Scripture, please. I have never seen it.

This is my created video and perfect explanation of what the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is...

I have to go to work so please watch all of it and comment.

Thanks.

 

[Red Baker]

you pray to the Lord and you address him by title.

God is our father, which we address him when speaking to~but, Jesus is also the everlasting father, we acknowledge that to be so as well. But, he also is our God whom we serve and love.

John 20:17​

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

Both are scriptural in the true religion of Jesus Christ.

You do words and deeds in his title.

I will do words and deeds in his name.

We do them in both!

You can go around saying there is no other title under heaven given among men...

I will say there is no other name ...

I will say according to God's testimony there is no other name under heaven given whereby we must be saved. By his name means who he was, and what he did to secured eternal redemption for God's elect.

All because you don't obey Acts 2:38.

This is the underlying fact.

Again, Acts 2:38 is not in a vacuum, but is understood by those to whom God has given understanding. I was baptized into Jesus Christ per Romans 6:1-4, in answer of a good conscience, made so by the Spirit of the Living God. I was baptized into the religion, teachings, doctrine of Jesus Christ, upon obedience to the command of God to be baptized.

I was baptized believing in a future bodily resurrection per 1st Corinthian's 15:29............

1St Corinthians 15:29~“Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?”​

When I was baptized my baptism was saying to the eyes of all who watched me being baptized that I firmly believed in a future bodily resurrection else why are we then baptised if the dead do not rise again as some taught in Corinth.

You have no clue concerning the doctrine of water baptism and why one is truly immersed in water. It is not to have their sins forgiven legally as your false cult teaches.

 

[Doug Brents]

This is my created video and perfect explanation of what the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is...



I have to go to work so please watch all of it and comment.

Thanks.

I already watched and commented on your comparison of Acts 2:38 and Matt 28:19. I found it full of errors.
"In the name of" has nothing to do with the actual name of the person referenced. It denotes "in the authority of" that person.

 

[Truther]

God is our father, which we address him when speaking to~but, Jesus is also the everlasting father, we acknowledge that to be so as well. But, he also is our God whom we serve and love.

John 20:17​

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

Both are scriptural in the true religion of Jesus Christ.


We do them in both!

I will say according to God's testimony there is no other name under heaven given whereby we must be saved. By his name means who he was, and what he did to secured eternal redemption for God's elect.

Again, Acts 2:38 is not in a vacuum, but is understood by those to whom God has given understanding. I was baptized into Jesus Christ per Romans 6:1-4, in answer of a good conscience, made so by the Spirit of the Living God. I was baptized into the religion, teachings, doctrine of Jesus Christ, upon obedience to the command of God to be baptized.

I was baptized believing in a future bodily resurrection per 1st Corinthian's 15:29............

1St Corinthians 15:29~“Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?”​

When I was baptized my baptism was saying to the eyes of all who watched me being baptized that I firmly believed in a future bodily resurrection else why are we then baptised if the dead do not rise again as some taught in Corinth.

You have no clue concerning the doctrine of water baptism and why one is truly immersed in water. It is not to have their sins forgiven legally as your false cult teaches.

Acts 2:38 adherence is a cult?

You are an Acts skipper extrordinaire.

 

[Truther]

I already watched and commented on your comparison of Acts 2:38 and Matt 28:19. I found it full of errors.
"In the name of" has nothing to do with the actual name of the person referenced. It denotes "in the authority of" that person.

That's a good ol fashioned way to demote Peter per Acts 2:38.

I suppose you are going to show me a scripture in Acts where Father and Holy Ghost was used in baptism?

You know...

If you wish, I can post the verses I referred to in the video to seal the deal.

 

[Truther]

"Baptism in the name of Jesus"...does not mean "in the name of Jesus" has to be used"...LOL.

Hell is delighted to get Christians to take that stand.


[17] And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

 

[Doug Brents]

"Baptism in the name of Jesus"...does not mean "in the name of Jesus" has to be used"...LOL.

Hell is delighted to get Christians to take that stand.


[17] And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

The name of Jesus certainly has tremendous power, and His authority is equal to the Father's. But does use of His name, not title but His name, always result in the desired effect? No. Consider the sons of Sceva in Acts 19:11-16. It is not just use of His name, but relationship with Him, that brings results.

But I am done debating this with you.

 

[Truther]

The name of Jesus certainly has tremendous power, and His authority is equal to the Father's. But does use of His name, not title but His name, always result in the desired effect? No. Consider the sons of Sceva in Acts 19:11-16. It is not just use of His name, but relationship with Him, that brings results.

But I am done debating this with you.

OK, it is best that you keep the name of Jesus out of baptism as much as possible.
God forbid it is for the remission of sins.

 

[Truther]

The alternative to baptism is just believing away the remission of our own sins. How quaint.
“I believe my sins are remitted no matter what Acts 2:38 commanded”. “ I don’t need the name of Jesus invoked over me in baptism, I have my faith to do it”.
Mind over matter.