Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

He was speaking to those that would soon obey Acts 2:38, not the future anti Acts 2:38 RCC and her protestant daughters.
Really? Are you sure about what you are saying? Well, you might think you are, but you are just as blinded as those men who taught heresies in Jesus' day~ one, that in order to be pure you must wash your hands before eating.........How foolish!

I'm going to introduce you to something you are a stranger of...."context", which drives righteous men's understanding~not some cults teachings that are all out to support their commandments and doctrines.

Matthew 15"12-16~"Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?"

Jesus' disciples had understanding on many truths, (Matthew 16:11-17) some they were still learning.

Why pick out Acts 2:38? as though that scriptures is more important than let say: John 21:17, or even Acts 2:37 which I know is the very reason Peter spoke Acts 2;38,39.

not the future anti Acts 2:38 RCC and her protestant daughters.

Why mention RCC and her daughters when the EOC was before RCC? Besides, the mystery of iniquity started not with Rome, or in Rome, (even though she is the biggest whore living in and among mystery Babylon) but in the garden of Eden, and continue on through Cain until where we are now, dealing with false cults like yours. Baptizing only in the name of Jesus, as though he is not the fullness of the Godhead bodily~When true believers see Jesus we shall seen the perfect image of the invisible God, and we shall see no other God than Jesus in his glorified body that he ascended with. Actually, when the clouds received Jesus out of their sight, then he immediately appeared in glory in his glorified body, which had power to appear and disappear with a thought of doing so~giving us an insight of what is yet coming for all of the redeem.

1st Corinthians 15:44-58~"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."
 
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Tom, do you believe that Jesus was implanted in Mary as a fetus and she did not have her egg cell involved?
Why are you asking such a blasphemous question? Can you not read?

Luke 1:26-37~"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible."

Mary's egg was impregnated by the power of the Highest simply by God willing it to be~Elisabeth's egg was impregnated by her husband's sperm cell, thereby, she conceived in her womb, just as Mary did, only God willed Jesus' conception for with God nothing is impossible. Thus, Jesus became the only begotten Son of God, in the manner in which Jesus was conceived.
 
Why are you asking such a blasphemous question? Can you not read?

Luke 1:26-37~"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible."

Mary's egg was impregnated by the power of the Highest simply by God willing it to be~Elisabeth's egg was impregnated by her husband's sperm cell, thereby, she conceived in her womb, just as Mary did, only God willed Jesus' conception for with God nothing is impossible. Thus, Jesus became the only begotten Son of God.
He simply has no evidence to back up his claim, so he resorts to such comments
 
Well, Doug, if a title is as good as a name then I will start calling you son instead of Doug.
If I were your son, then that would be fine by me. But I have many other titles as well, most of which you don't get to use either: father, brother, husband, boss, and many others.

We only use titles that are relevant in the person to ourselves. You are not my father, so you do not get to call me son. You are not my wife, so you do not get to call me husband. But if you are in Christ, then you are my brother and so get to call me brother. And we all have one Father, and so to Him we are son (or daughter). Jesus is then our Brother, and we are all brother and sister to each other. But we don't get to use just any title for each other. And for God, since He is the only holder of certain titles (Lord, Father, Son, etc.), these titles are synonymous with His name (seeing as we do not even know the Father's true name).
 
Really? Are you sure about what you are saying? Well, you might think you are, but you are just as blinded as those men who taught heresies in Jesus' day~ one, that in order to be pure you must wash your hands before eating.........How foolish!

I'm going to introduce you to something you are a stranger of...."context", which drives righteous men's understanding~not some cults teachings that are all out to support their commandments and doctrines.

Matthew 15"12-16~"Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?"

Jesus' disciples had understanding on many truths, (Matthew 16:11-17) some they were still learning.

Why pick out Acts 2:38? as though that scriptures is more important than let say: John 21:17, or even Acts 2:37 which I know is the very reason Peter spoke Acts 2;38,39.



Why mention RCC and her daughters when the EOC was before RCC? Besides, the mystery of iniquity started not with Rome, or in Rome, (even though she is the biggest whore living in and among mystery Babylon) but in the garden of Eden, and continue on through Cain until where we are now, dealing with false cults like yours. Baptizing only in the name of Jesus, as though he is not the fullness of the Godhead bodily~When true believers see Jesus we shall seen the perfect image of the invisible God, and we shall see no other God than Jesus in his glorified body that he ascended with. Actually, when the clouds received Jesus out of their sight, then he immediately appeared in glory in his glorified body, which had power to appear and disappear with a thought of doing so~giving us an insight of what is yet coming for all of the redeem.

1st Corinthians 15:44-58~"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."
I’m sure about it. Jesus spoke to his disciples. His disciples started the Church of Acts 2:38. Anyone that disobeys Acts 2:38 is in a different church.
The new church started as the RCC to oppose obedience to Acts 2:38.
Protestants are her daughters because they join her in this opposition.
It’s all about Acts 2:38, not a bunch of micro doctrine.
 
Why are you asking such a blasphemous question? Can you not read?

Luke 1:26-37~"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible."

Mary's egg was impregnated by the power of the Highest simply by God willing it to be~Elisabeth's egg was impregnated by her husband's sperm cell, thereby, she conceived in her womb, just as Mary did, only God willed Jesus' conception for with God nothing is impossible. Thus, Jesus became the only begotten Son of God, in the manner in which Jesus was conceived.
Conception is when an egg is fertilized by a sperm.
It does not say that which is implanted in her.
It says that which is conceived in her.
 
If I were your son, then that would be fine by me. But I have many other titles as well, most of which you don't get to use either: father, brother, husband, boss, and many others.

We only use titles that are relevant in the person to ourselves. You are not my father, so you do not get to call me son. You are not my wife, so you do not get to call me husband. But if you are in Christ, then you are my brother and so get to call me brother. And we all have one Father, and so to Him we are son (or daughter). Jesus is then our Brother, and we are all brother and sister to each other. But we don't get to use just any title for each other. And for God, since He is the only holder of certain titles (Lord, Father, Son, etc.), these titles are synonymous with His name (seeing as we do not even know the Father's true name).
OK son…. Did you figure out that son is not a proper name. You really think you need to run around calling Jesus son? Call him by his proper name.
Not son.
 
Conception is when an egg is fertilized by a sperm.
It does not say that which is implanted in her.
It says that which is conceived in her.
So you think God is limited/bound by the laws of science? Maybe your god is, but the God of the holy scriptures is not.

He created all things, visible and invisible~how did he create all things? By certain laws of science, or, did He simply say, let there be and it was so.
 
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OK son…. Did you figure out that son is not a proper name. You really think you need to run around calling Jesus son? Call him by his proper name.
Not son.
What is the proper name for the Father? Do you know it?

I do not call Jesus "son". He is not my son. I call him the Son, for He is the Son of God.
 
Really? Are you sure about what you are saying? Well, you might think you are, but you are just as blinded as those men who taught heresies in Jesus' day~ one, that in order to be pure you must wash your hands before eating.........How foolish!
They had a name for that. They called it baptism


Mark 7:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 And when they come from the market, except they wash (baptizo), they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

(NTVR) and [when they come] from the marketplace, except they baptize themselves, they eat not; and many other things there are, which they have received to hold, baptisms of cups, and pots, and brazen vessels, and couches.)
(Re. Murdock) And [coming] from the market - place, except they baptize, they do not eat. And there are many other things which they have received to observe, [such as] the baptisms of cups, and of pots, and of brazen vessels, and of couches.
 
I’m sure about it. Jesus spoke to his disciples. His disciples started the Church of Acts 2:38. Anyone that disobeys Acts 2:38 is in a different church.
The new church started as the RCC to oppose obedience to Acts 2:38.
Protestants are her daughters because they join her in this opposition.
It’s all about Acts 2:38, not a bunch of micro doctrine.

I'm also not protestant.. or catholic.. independent baptists historically have no known human founder. But with Acts 2:38 and you are going by the bible -- it teaches a whole lot of context around Acts 2:38 that makes it not stand alone. Compare Acts 2:38 with verses without baptism but are about salvation.. such as most of the book of John. But you don't seem to do this.

You also don't see when Jesus is doing things by the Father's hand or in His name.. that is not making Jesus LESSER. That is like being an image of the Father.. the Father's absolute agent. Equal. That is how the Jew's saw someone doing something on behalf of another. They saw the message as having the same authority coming from the person delivering it. So when Jesus says 'I and the Father are one' . This is more than just a man or lesser God saying they have a bit of a share of His powers.. but it's saying I am the Father's very image.. His very agent.

But anyway.. this has been over and over and over and over with you. Enough from me.
 
Mark 16:16

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

I don't believe you have to be baptized to be saved and Mark 16:16 doesn't say if you don't get baptized your damned it says if you don't believe you are Damned.

Then there's this part of Matthew 16.
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

You don't see a lot of that going on in Christendom.

But moving right along. What did Jesus say about baptism? You find it at the end of Matthew’s gospel, where we find a climactic communication between Jesus and His disciples. Matthew writes:

Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matthew 28:16–20

It is significant, I think, that Jesus prefaced this mandate by telling His disciples, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” In all of His teaching until the time of His crucifixion, Jesus never commanded baptism. But He did so here. Having risen from the grave, He had the authority, because of His finished work, to create a new sign for the new covenant, and He did just that in commanding baptism.
In the previous chapter, I asserted that baptism is not necessary for salvation. However, if you were to ask me, “Is baptism necessary for the Christian?” I would say, “Absolutely.”

But It is not necessary for salvation, but it is necessary for obedience, because Christ, with no ambiguity, commanded that all of those who belong to Him, who are part of the new covenant family, and who receive the benefits of His salvation are to be baptized in the Trinitarian formula.
 
I'm also not protestant.. or catholic.. independent baptists historically have no known human founder. But with Acts 2:38 and you are going by the bible -- it teaches a whole lot of context around Acts 2:38 that makes it not stand alone. Compare Acts 2:38 with verses without baptism but are about salvation.. such as most of the book of John. But you don't seem to do this.

You also don't see when Jesus is doing things by the Father's hand or in His name.. that is not making Jesus LESSER. That is like being an image of the Father.. the Father's absolute agent. Equal. That is how the Jew's saw someone doing something on behalf of another. They saw the message as having the same authority coming from the person delivering it. So when Jesus says 'I and the Father are one' . This is more than just a man or lesser God saying they have a bit of a share of His powers.. but it's saying I am the Father's very image.. His very agent.

But anyway.. this has been over and over and over and over with you. Enough from me.
He really thinks they are one. One person God.
 
OK son…. Did you figure out that son is not a proper name. You really think you need to run around calling Jesus son? Call him by his proper name.
Not son.
It's not a name it's who he is. The Son of God, the Second member of the trinity. God in the flesh. Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers. That can be found in John 10:17–18

 
So you think God is limited/bound by the laws of science? Maybe your god is, but the God of the holy scriptures is not.

He created all things, visible and invisible~how did he create all things? By certain laws of science, or, did He simply say, let there be and it was so.
I think the word of God means what it says.

Tricksters are going around saying words with simple meanings contextually can mean other things per their presuppositions.

Conceiving a baby is conceiving a baby.

It needs no further explanation...



What is the simple definition of conception?


a(1) : the process of becoming pregnant involving fertilization or implantation or both.


Since we know that Jesus was not a divine fetal implant.....
 
What is the proper name for the Father? Do you know it?

I do not call Jesus "son". He is not my son. I call him the Son, for He is the Son of God.
Okay, the son of Doug's parents(your new name), since I don't like saying "Doug" as much as folks don't like saying Jesus....
 
I'm also not protestant.. or catholic.. independent baptists historically have no known human founder. But with Acts 2:38 and you are going by the bible -- it teaches a whole lot of context around Acts 2:38 that makes it not stand alone. Compare Acts 2:38 with verses without baptism but are about salvation.. such as most of the book of John. But you don't seem to do this.

You also don't see when Jesus is doing things by the Father's hand or in His name.. that is not making Jesus LESSER. That is like being an image of the Father.. the Father's absolute agent. Equal. That is how the Jew's saw someone doing something on behalf of another. They saw the message as having the same authority coming from the person delivering it. So when Jesus says 'I and the Father are one' . This is more than just a man or lesser God saying they have a bit of a share of His powers.. but it's saying I am the Father's very image.. His very agent.

But anyway.. this has been over and over and over and over with you. Enough from me.
My church is the church of 3000. It has no name, nor denomination.

Most of Christendom have never heard of it since they skip Acts.
 
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