Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[TomL]

Okay, you have 3 spirits that are holy if there is such thing as a trinity.

3 holy Spirits in the Godhead.

Even though one of them retains the title...

Nope Jesus had/has flesh

And the Father is not the Spirit

nor the Spirit the Father

 

[Truther]

I used to be modern oneness but I gave Jesus back his human identity by throwing out the incarnation idea.

 

[TomL]

Nope, I am of the long forgotten 1st century oneness(unity of God and Jesus via the Col 2:9 effect).

A modalist holds that God manifests himself in three different roles

That does not seem to be your position

 

[Truther]

Nope Jesus had/has flesh

And the Father is not the Spirit

nor the Spirit the Father

Jesus has flesh here?...


3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus...

 

[Truther]

A modalist holds that God manifests himself in three different roles

That does not seem to be your position

I am a bit different.

God manifested Himself INSIDE the son, not AS the son.

The Father AND the son manifest themselves as the Holy Ghost now.

 

[TomL]

Jesus has flesh here?...


3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus...

Yes

Luke 24:39 (ESV) — 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

 

[Truther]

Simply put...the Father is the Holy Ghost.

The son was made a holy ghost here....

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 

[TomL]

I am a bit different.

God manifested Himself INSIDE the son, not AS the son.

The Father AND the son manifest themselves as the Holy Ghost now.

So you are not a modalist

And not an Arian

and do not hold a recognized position

 

[Truther]

Yes

Luke 24:39 (ESV) — 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

That was before he ascended.

Look at him now...

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


He is omnipresent light.

 

[Truther]

So you are not a modalist

And not an Arian

and do not hold a recognized position

Correct.

I am sola scriptura.

 

[TomL]

Simply put...the Father is the Holy Ghost.

The son was made a holy ghost here....

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Nope that identifies the source of Life and does not deny Jesus had flesh

Luke 24:39 (ESV) — 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

1 Corinthians 15:44–45 (KJV 1900) — 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

That verse no more denies Christ had flesh than it denies Adam had a spirit

 

[Truther]

Here is what I am saying.

God inside Jesus(Col 2:9), ant the 2 inside us(John 14).

 

[Truther]

Nope that identifies the source of Life and does not deny Jesus had flesh

Luke 24:39 (ESV) — 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

1 Corinthians 15:44–45 (KJV 1900) — 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

That verse no more denies Christ had flesh than it denies Adam had a spirit

No, it says Jesus was MADE a quickening spirit(human spirit).

Made.

Get it.

 

[Truther]

Jesus was a man on earth, not a quickening spirit.

 

[Truther]

Mary was not pregnant with a quickening spirit.

Egg cells don't create them.

 

[TomL]

No, it says Jesus was MADE a quickening spirit(human spirit).

Made.

Get it.

Nope

Luke 24:39 (ESV) — 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

1 Corinthians 15:44–45 (KJV 1900) — 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Note how Adam's existence verses Christ is that of a natural body verses a spiritual body

And a body is physical

That verse no more denies Christ had flesh than it denies Adam had a spirit

BTW the word made is not in the greek text

 

[Truther]

Nope

Luke 24:39 (ESV) — 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

1 Corinthians 15:44–45 (KJV 1900) — 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Note how Adam's existence verses Christ is that of a natural body verses a spiritual body

And a body is physical

That verse no more denies Christ had flesh than it denies Adam had a spirit

BTW the word made is not in the greek text

The last Adam, Jesus, was made a spiritual body. Don’t you get it? You just quoted the scripture that Jesus was made spiritual. That is a quickening spirit.

 

[Truther]

Tom, you believe Jesus is a little man walking around right now in heaven posing as an element of God. To be precise, you have a little man walking around in heaven that is a second person of a Godhead.

 

[Behold]

Jesus was a man on earth, not a quickening spirit.

God man.,

as only The God-man could redeem all humanity with one blood and death sacrifice.

In fact it is GOD's Blood that is shed on the Cross and that is why it Saves for over 2000 yrs, and will continue to keep the believer saved, for as long as God lives.

Jesus didn't have Mary's blood in His Veins..

ah......

Right......

 

[Fellow Traveler]

Correct Jesus had His own blood in his veins, because He was born of a woman He shared her DNA. That DNA also came down from King David. That's where Jesus gets his human nature. God also provided the male DNA Of Jesus and that's where he gets his divine nature.

Jesus is called the Son of David in part because he is believed to be of Davidic decent from David the great king of ancient Israel. Christ is called the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. Therefore, in order for Jesus to be a literal descendant (and therefore a son) of David, Mary must have been of Davidic descent.

Because David was king of Israel, his descendants, under the patriarchal order, were entitled to the throne. It is also significant that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the City of David. In this sense Jesus shared a “geographical sonship” with the great King David.