Judaism is very messy.....

[dwight92070]

For a Jew, you are not very good at subtlety.
Let me take out my sledgehammer:

• Was Jesus (the God-man) entitled to go to Heaven because of what He did or because of who He was?

God the Son had every right to be in Heaven.
By what right did Jesus (flesh and blood) enter heaven?

Hypostatic Union says that Christ was 100% God and 100% man ...

He is God from the essence of the Father, begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity. Although he is God and human, yet Christ is not two, but one. He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself. He is one, certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person. For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human. - Athanasian Creed​

He was not begotten before time. He was begotten from the womb of Mary. Also "the Word became flesh", so in a sense divinity did "turn into" flesh.

The creeds are not Scripture. Why does anyone treat them as if they were?

 

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Koberstein said: "When the partition in the Temple was torn in two during Messiah"s crucifixion that allowed the Jews to approach God without going through an earthly high priest. Because now we have a new high priest in Yeshua Hamashiach."

Surprise! He is also the high priest of all Gentile believers, since He died for the sins of the whole world, not just those of the Jews. 1 John 2:2

You are anti-Gentile, whereas Paul wanted to see the Gentiles saved. And when they did get saved, He didn't lambast them and falsely accuse them of hating Jews, like you are. In fact, Paul condemned the anti-Gentile attitude among the believing Jews in Romans 2:17-29.

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

So according to Paul, I am a Jew, and so are all believers born of the Spirit.

Also, according to Paul, a Jew who is not born of the Spirit, is not a Jew at all.

I am not anti-Jew, but I am anti - your attitude toward Gentiles, especially believing Gentiles.

Of course there are people who hate Jews. There are also people who hate Christians. As Christians, we are not to hate anyone. Jewish Christians should not hate Gentile Christians and Gentile Christians should not hate Jewish Christians, since both have been born of the Holy Spirit.

First of all.you are not Jewish. I seriously doubt either one of your parents are Jewish.
Secondly, I am NOT against believing or unbelieving Gentiles. But I am against people like you who pedal misinformation and disinformation about the Scriptures. I'm not a fan of the KJV because of the way it came about and with the anti-Jewish bias. There is a difference between Messianic Gentiles and Christianity. I had a choice as a teenager growing up of being a Christian or a Messianic. I chose Messianic Judaism. My younger brother had the same choice, and he chose to be a Roman Catholic. I noticed in life that when a Jew leaves Judaism they usually become a Roman Catholic. I watch Larry Kudlow on Fox Busines. He is a Jew and left Judaism and converted to the Roman Catholic faith. I wonder why he didn't chose the evangelical Christian faith? Roman Catholics consider themselves of the Christian faith. Roman Catholics were severely hated and discriminated against in the 1950s and the 1960s in southwest Pa where I grew up.
Shalom

 

[dwight92070]

Mine is not a final goodbye unless I put you on ignore.
Shalom

Shalom also means "peace", but whoever uses it must put their money where their mouth is, and demonstrate a peaceful, kind, and loving heart toward those who are not Jews.

Luke was mixed race. He was not wholly non-Hebrew. He was mixed race. The centurions in the gospel were also mixed race. The Samaritan woman at the well was mixed race. And by virtue of being of the DNA of Abraham they were heirs to the promise.

Christians follow Christ. If Christ called Saul by his Hebrew name, then as a follower so do I.

That's it. Case closed.

DNA had nothing to do with it. Rather, if they had faith in Jesus, they were heirs to the promise. Esau, Ishmael and the other six sons of Abraham through Ketura all had the DNA of Abraham, but none of them were heirs to the promise - ONLY Isaac and Jacob.

"the Gentiles are fellow heirs (to the promise) and fellow members of the body (of Christ), and fellow partakers of the promise (to Abraham) in Christ Jesus through the gospel." Ephesians 3:6

 

[dwight92070]

First of all.you are not Jewish. I seriously doubt either one of your parents are Jewish.
Secondly, I am NOT against believing or unbelieving Gentiles. But I am against people like you who pedal misinformation and disinformation about the Scriptures. I'm not a fan of the KJV because of the way it came about and with the anti-Jewish bias. There is a difference between Messianic Gentiles and Christianity. I had a choice as a teenager growing up of being a Christian or a Messianic. I chose Messianic Judaism. My younger brother had the same choice, and he chose to be a Roman Catholic. I noticed in life that when a Jew leaves Judaism they usually become a Roman Catholic. I watch Larry Kudlow on Fox Busines. He is a Jew and left Judaism and converted to the Roman Catholic faith. I wonder why he didn't chose the evangelical Christian faith? Roman Catholics consider themselves of the Christian faith. Roman Catholics were severely hated and discriminated against in the 1950s and the 1960s in southwest Pa where I grew up.
Shalom

Paul tells me I am a Jew and part of the "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16) and my parentage doesn't matter. I have been grafted in. Romans 11:17-24

The Roman Catholic church has an awful history of hating and murdering 50,000,000 non-Catholics, including Jews. They, like you, with a minority of exceptions, show little interest in reading and knowing the Bible. Which is why that church is so filled with made-up, false teachings, ceremonies and idolatry.

 

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Shalom also means "peace", but whoever uses it must put their money where their mouth is, and demonstrate a peaceful, kind, and loving heart toward those who are not Jews.

DNA had nothing to do with it. Rather, if they had faith in Jesus, they were heirs to the promise. Esau, Ishmael and the other six sons of Abraham through Ketura all had the DNA of Abraham, but none of them were heirs to the promise - ONLY Isaac and Jacob.

"the Gentiles are fellow heirs (to the promise) and fellow members of the body (of Christ), and fellow partakers of the promise (to Abraham) in Christ Jesus through the gospel." Ephesians 3:6

Too bad some of them don't act
like it.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

He was not begotten before time. He was begotten from the womb of Mary. Also "the Word became flesh", so in a sense divinity did "turn into" flesh.

The creeds are not Scripture. Why does anyone treat them as if they were?

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Such is a reference to the time of Moses.

Luk 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Luk 20:39 Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said.
Luk 20:40 And after that they durst not ask him any question at all.

God always of the living.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The entire world is a "mixed" race from the sole parentage of Adam and Eve. You included. Me included.

There isn't a "pure race" upon this earthy. All have been concluded under sin and we prove over and over most every day of our lives.

So stop this nonsense theology you're peddling. Our fathers failed us. Christ didn't.

This is of the utmost importance.

There was a family who was obedient to God. The head of that family was Salah. He had a son and named him Eber. This is where you get the word "Hebrew." God called out a man named Abram who was a descendant of Eber. God made covenant with this man and the beginning of the separated, called out, Hebrew race began. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all married in the family. This strengthened this families' genes. The Abraham Covenant was passed down to Abram's seed. Later, in fulfillment of prophecy 70 Hebrew souls became millions who were delivered out of Egypt. Then God made another covenant with this people through Moses. Later, God made another covenant with the twelve tribes of Israel called the New Covenant. This covenant had no mechanism by which God could forgive this people of their sin for without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sin.) Thus, this covenant was the fulfillment of the Mosaic Covenant by God's own Son for this covenant DID possess a mechanism for forgiveness in the offering of a lamb for the sins of the nation of Israel. God had also promised His Spirit to the people of Israel as prophesied by Joel. When the appropriate time came so did the giving of God's Spirit, which Spirit was required for one's salvation and redemption. Thus, the New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ. And this New Covenant was between God and the House of ISRAEL and the House of JUDAH. There is no one else named or mentioned as being included in the New Covenant God made with the Hebrew people of Abraham.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Shalom also means "peace", but whoever uses it must put their money where their mouth is, and demonstrate a peaceful, kind, and loving heart toward those who are not Jews.

God never instructed nor commanded the Jews to love Gentiles. The command to love is found in Leviticus and God instructs and commands Israel to love Israel. ONLY.

DNA had nothing to do with it. Rather, if they had faith in Jesus, they were heirs to the promise. Esau, Ishmael and the other six sons of Abraham through Ketura all had the DNA of Abraham, but none of them were heirs to the promise - ONLY Isaac and Jacob.

If it had nothing to do with anything God would not have included Abraham's seed in his covenant with God, but He did. He identifies Abraham's seed as recipients of the Abraham Covenant.

"the Gentiles are fellow heirs (to the promise) and fellow members of the body (of Christ), and fellow partakers of the promise (to Abraham) in Christ Jesus through the gospel." Ephesians 3:6

Show me in Scripture the high priest of Israel leave and go to Gentiles and offer sacrifices for the Gentiles. Where does it say in Scripture the high priest did that and sprinkled the Gentiles with the blood of the sacrificed?
Then show me where Jesus broke the Law and offered Himself as sacrifice for the sins of Gentiles. If Jesus fulfilled the Law as High Priest, then His sacrifice as was under the Law was made to and for the children of Israel for Jesus never died for Gentiles because under the Law the high priest never offered sacrifices for Gentiles.
So, show me the Scripture where the high priest left Israel, went to Gentiles, and offered sacrifices for their sin and sprinkled the people with the blood of the slain.
Go ahead and post where the high priest did this.

 

[Selah]

@jeremiah1five

Have you not read ….
Genesis 18:17-18 (NKJV) 17 And the LORD said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 “since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Consider. During these latter days, the scattered House of Israel is probably the target audience for the book of Hebrews—yes, that includes many of us—Christians—all over the earth.

Listen up. Knowing where the so-called 10 lost tribes of the House of Israel are is necessary for maturing in one's understanding of God's Word.

s e l a h

 

[jeremiah1five]

@jeremiah1five

Have you not read ….
Genesis 18:17-18 (NKJV) 17 And the LORD said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 “since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Consider. During these latter days, the scattered House of Israel is probably the target audience for the book of Hebrews—yes, that includes many of us—Christians—all over the earth.

Listen up. Knowing where the so-called 10 lost tribes of the House of Israel are is necessary for maturing in one's understanding of God's Word.

s e l a h

I've read it. And I see the other passages that say the same thing elsewhere.
Let's take each passage as written and I will show you a better way.

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:1–3.

Here, God promises Abram to make him a great nation. The word "nation" is defined by Strong as:

nation: [#1471] gôy rarely (shortened) goy, go’-ee; apparently from the same root as [#1465] (gevah) (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; [citation deleted] also (figurative) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts

The citation deleted is written as: "hence a Gentile;"

This is irrelevant for this cite "leads the witness" to define the word a certain way especially since it contradicts a passage in which Abram is identified as "Hebrew" and one born in the family line of Eber (Genesis 11.) So, the word "nation" does not mean "Gentile" here and at the time Abram was alive for God identifies Abram as being from the family of Eber described in Genesis 11. A Hebrew is not Gentile in the way it is defined today as being "Gentile." Hebrews are not "Gentile" or "non-Hebrew." That makes no sense. So, the word is defined merely as "massing" in the sense of [great] number.

Additionally, this passage states God says he [Abram] will be a blessing; however, God does not describe what those blessings are.
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6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
8 And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Beth-el, and pitched his tent, having Beth-el on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD. Genesis 12:5–8.

As Abram journeys to the Promised Land Abram sees that there are Canaanites in the land. Upon this the LORD says to Abram, "Unto thy seed will I give this land." Hearing this, Abram builds an altar and "called upon the LORD." This is significant because by the time we get to the first century AD these words "call upon the LORD" means something entirely different than what it meant originally in Abram's day - even during Seth's time (Genesis 5.) The term means "Worship." In the New Testament students of the Bible interpret the term to mean that [a] person calls out to the LORD such as when a mother calls out the back door for her son to come inside. Many interpret this term in this way in Acts where it says, "those that call [out] to the Lord shall be saved." The term should be understood in its original form which it means "Worship" and according to Psalm 65:4, David calls upon the Lord and ONLY THOSE who are in relationship with God can do because it is God who allows a person to approach Him and worship God. NO MAN can worship God unless he/she is already in relationship with God.
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4 Unto the place of the altar, which he had made there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the LORD.
Genesis 13:4.

As above Abram is already in relationship with God and here he "worships" God after building an altar.
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13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. Genesis 14:13.

God, who wrote the Scripture identifies Abram as "Hebrew" which means he is a descendant of Eber (Gen. 11.) Therefore, the words in which God says He will make Abram a great nation means in relation to being great in number (descendants) or [Strong} "massing." It is impossible for it to mean "Gentile" at this time in Abram's day for God identifies Abram as Hebrew and Hebrew does not mean "Gentile" at this time in the narrative and historically.
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3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. Genesis 15:3–5.

God tells Abram that his heir will be someone born of Abram's body/seed. Besides this, God tells Abram that through this seed Abram's descendants will be great in number such as is great in number of stars that are in the heavens. He means innumerable.
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12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. 15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. Genesis 15:11–15.

Here, God prophesy's that Abram's seed shall go live in a nation and in a land that is not his, not the land Promised by God. God also tells Abram that when his seed do this that the host nation - whom we know now as Egypt - will afflict them 400 years. Afterwards, God says He will judge that nation ("massing") and as a result Abram's seed will leave that nation with great substance. God also tells Abram he will live a long life and die in peace.
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18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. Genesis 15:18–21.

God lays out the boundaries of the land He Promises Abram.
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3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: Genesis 16:3–4.

Sarai gives Abram her servant and Abram gets her pregnant. This is Sarai's and Abram's attempt to self-fulfill the prophecy of an heir God promised to Abram earlier. This act actually does fulfill the promise that through Abram many "nations" ("massing's") of people will be born to him through this son born to Abram and Hagar. This child named "Ishmael" will be the father of twelve sons who in the process of time give birth to Ishmael and become great in number also interpreted as "nations" (massing.)
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6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
14 Wherefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son’s name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
Genesis 16:6–15.

"All the families of the earth" begin to take shape in Ishmael as his seed begin to be born which in time will become "great nations" of people born to Ishmael. Verse six describes this thing to come.
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1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. Genesis 17:1–2.

God makes a covenant between Himself, Abram, and Abram's seed. God tells Abram He will multiply his seed exceedingly. "Nations" here still refer to great in number (massing.)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Genesis 17:4.

Again, God repeats His promise of covenant with Abram and with Abram's seed (through Ishmael, Isaac - yet to be born - and later after Sarah dies Abram remarries and has more children with the new wife. The promise that "all HIS families born in the earth shall be blessed," or "great in number" is soon to take place. Abram can only be a father of many Hebrews which is termed "nations" (massing's.) It is impossible for the word "nations" to mean Gentile because it is impossible for two Hebrew parents to give birth to a non-Hebrew child.
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5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. Genesis 17:5–10.

The Hebrew covenant begins to take shape. God promises Abraham will be exceeding fruitful and that kings and nations shall come OUT OF THEE. God commands that every man child among Abraham shall be circumcised. This does not mean anyone circumcised are in covenant with God but ONLY Abraham and Abraham's seed. The birth of Isaac is to be heir of Abraham after he dies and is buried, and heir of the promises God gave to Abram. This is a covenant of DNA. Only those who are a descendant of Abram are identified by God as being "in covenant" with God.
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13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. Genesis 17:13.

God again identifies that only descendants born of Abraham (in your flesh) are in covenant and heirs to Abraham.
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15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. 16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Genesis 17:15–16.

Only those children and descendants born OF HER are identified as "nations/massing's" of people that share her and Abraham's DNA are in covenant with God. Notice that "nations" (massing's) and "kings" shall be born OF HER are the people that are in covenant with God and through Abraham and Sarah it is their "families of the earth" that are identified by God as being in covenant with God and heirs of the promises.
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19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Genesis 17:19–21.

God declares that the covenant He made with Abraham will also include a covenant between God and Isaac and through Isaac God will multiply his seed exceedingly and this covenant will be everlasting. Ishmael, who is seed of Abraham through Hagar, will become a people so great they will be innumerable just as promised by God that Abraham's descendants/seed are as innumerable as the stars in the heavens. Ishmael will birth twelve princes, and God will make him a great nation. However, the descendants of Ishmael will be mixed race but still be descendants of Abraham by birth since Ishmael is a son of Abraham. Add Esau, and many nations and "families of the earth" is established by God. They are ALL Abraham's seeds. The "nations" and "kings" that are born to Abraham through Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael's twelve sons, Jacob's twelve sons, Esau's children and descendants, and other children born to Abraham with his new wife after Sarah dies are slated to become great nations of people and all related to Abraham as God said in which they are all his seed through many fathers yet to be born. While all these people are the blessed because of being Abraham's seed, God declares that His covenant will be established with Isaac and with Isaac's seed. They are ALL the seed of Abraham through many, many, and innumerable births of and through Abraham.

The everlasting covenant is with Abraham and Abraham's seed through Isaac. But everyone who is of Abraham's seed will also be blessed by virtue of the covenant God makes with Abram the Hebrew and with Abram's Hebrew seed.
The above is rightly divided.

 

[dwight92070]

Do you know why Paul used Paul.... when he was born as Saul? NO... it was not changed on the road to Damascus....
Initially Paul used both names as needed.

Some trivia for y'all, if you did not know.

Long story short.

He chose to use his Hebrew name, Saul, until sometime after he began to believe in and preach Christ. After that time, as the apostle to the Gentiles.... , he used his Roman name, Paul. It made sense for Paul to use his Roman name as he traveled farther and farther into the Gentile world.

Romans 11:13 confirms....But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry.

Paul began using his Roman name on Cyprus when the Roman proconsul on that island was converted
Acts 13:12 Then the proconsul believed when he saw what had happened, being amazed at the teaching of the Lord.

And a very great feat as this was during Paul’s first mission and the proconsul was a high-ranking, idolatrous Gentile coming to faith in Christ.

Using his Roman name was fitting for the man who proclaimed that he would become “all things to all people,”

1 Cor 9
19For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more.

20To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;

21to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.

22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.

23I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

But he never fully gave up Saul. And Jesus did not rename him like he did Simon into Peter.

Notice verse 20 in the above passage - 1 Cor. 9:20 Paul said "... though not being myself under the Law"

Here Paul says the he is NOT UNDER THE LAW and in 1 Cor 11:1, he says "Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ." So Paul imitates Christ and he is NOT UNDER THE LAW, so it is apparent that Christ was also NOT UNDER THE LAW.

Christ was born under the Law, but apparently He did NOT LIVE UNDER THE LAW. Which only makes sense, because He was ABOVE THE LAW - THE LORD OF THE LAW, not just THE LORD OF THE SABBATH. "He who comes from above is ABOVE ALL, ..." John 4:31

Not only that but if He came to redeem those who were held in bondage to the Law (Gal. 4:3), how could He do that if He Himself was in bondage to the Law?

That's like a fireman who is on fire, trying to rescue others in the fire.

Jesus did not need the Law to live His life. Paul said that the "law was not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, ..." Jesus was righteous, the Law was not made for Him.

 

[dwight92070]

Notice verse 20 in the above passage - 1 Cor. 9:20 Paul said "... though not being myself under the Law"

Here Paul says the he is NOT UNDER THE LAW and in 1 Cor 11:1, he says "Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ." So Paul imitates Christ and he is NOT UNDER THE LAW, so it is apparent that Christ was also NOT UNDER THE LAW.

Christ was born under the Law, but apparently He did NOT LIVE UNDER THE LAW. Which only makes sense, because He was ABOVE THE LAW - THE LORD OF THE LAW, not just THE LORD OF THE SABBATH. "He who comes from above is ABOVE ALL, ..." John 4:31

Not only that but if He came to redeem those who were held in bondage to the Law (Gal. 4:3), how could He do that if He Himself was in bondage to the Law?

That's like a fireman who is on fire, trying to rescue others in the fire.

God never instructed nor commanded the Jews to love Gentiles. The command to love is found in Leviticus and God instructs and commands Israel to love Israel. ONLY.

If it had nothing to do with anything God would not have included Abraham's seed in his covenant with God, but He did. He identifies Abraham's seed as recipients of the Abraham Covenant.

Show me in Scripture the high priest of Israel leave and go to Gentiles and offer sacrifices for the Gentiles. Where does it say in Scripture the high priest did that and sprinkled the Gentiles with the blood of the sacrificed?
Then show me where Jesus broke the Law and offered Himself as sacrifice for the sins of Gentiles. If Jesus fulfilled the Law as High Priest, then His sacrifice as was under the Law was made to and for the children of Israel for Jesus never died for Gentiles because under the Law the high priest never offered sacrifices for Gentiles.
So, show me the Scripture where the high priest left Israel, went to Gentiles, and offered sacrifices for their sin and sprinkled the people with the blood of the slain.
Go ahead and post where the high priest did this.

You're stuck in the Old Covenant. Jesus is the High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, not Aaron. Remember He said at the last supper, "This is THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD." Also we see that He died NOT ONLY for the sins of the Jews but for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2 That includes Gentiles.

John 3:16 does NOT say, For God so loved Israel that He gave His only begotten Son. Rather He says, For God so loved THE WORLD, which includes Gentiles.

"Therefore be imitators of God ... " Ephesians 5:1 You are commanded to imitate God and love the Gentiles.

 

[dwight92070]

Too bad some of them don't act
like it.
Shalom

That could be said for some Jews too.