Judaism is very messy.....

[Studyman]

If my teaching is boo - boo, then yours is doo - doo. I see, so while He was in bondage to the Law and a slave to the Law, He redeemed other Jews from the Law??

Rom. 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead "wherein we were held"; that we should serve in newness of spirit, (New Man who "Serves the Law of God in his mind") and not in the oldness of the letter. (Dead in Trespasses and sins)

Jesus was Never in "Bondage" to the consequences of Transgressing God's Laws, because HE never transgressed them. Nor was HE ever dead in trespasses and Sins that HE should NEED Redemption.

To promote such an evil and wicked judgments against Christ, is not wrought in God, but in man.

He broke the Sabbath repeatedly,

He refused to Yield Himself a servant to obey the Commandments of men the Pharisees taught for doctrines. The devil accused Him of breaking God's Sabbath, and the devils children furthered the accusation. But HE didn't break God's Sabbath, He only broke the Pharisees sabbath.

told a lame man to violate the Sabbath,

There is no law of God which prohibits a sick man from being carried into the city of Jerusalem on a bed. And the implication of your religion, that to obey God's Law, the man must remain on his bed, or stay there by his bed, until sundown is wickedness. No such Law of God was ever given to men by HIM. Again, this was another of the many commandments of men Jesus Himself said the mainstream religions of His Time taught for doctrines.

Where is it written that a man can't be cured, or that I can't help someone in need, on God's Sabbath?

God's sabbath is a "Fast" from the riggers of this world. It is a Mercy from God that men have despised from the beginning.

Is. 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

To actually accuse Jesus of teaching other men to transgress God's commandments is proof positive of the Prophesies concerning Him.

Is. 53: 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

I will not join you in your accusations against Him.

touched dead bodies, touched lepers, touched coffins,

1 Kings 17: 17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him. 18 And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son? 19 And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed. 20 And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son? 21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.

22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived. 23 And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth. 24 And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.

Will you accuse Elijah of Sinning against God as well?

supported His disciples violating the Sabbath by picking heads of grain on that day,

There is no Law given by God that forbids a man from taking a walk in fellowship with God on His Holy Sabbath day, nor is there any Law against picking a black Berry or ear of corn to eat along the way.

Are you accusing them of picking corn and then selling it? Were is their sin? Once again, they were guilty of transgressing the commandments of men that Jesus said the Pharisees taught for doctrines.

worked every day just as His Father did,

Would you then also accuse a mother of "working" on the Sabbath when she changed a diaper? Is walking to the Temple to teach about God, "A sin" in your religion, because walking is "Work"? Is God such a monster that HE would force men not to go to the bathroom on the sabbath? Do you really believe these deeds are considered by God and "Work" that defiles His Holy Sabbath?

Consider the hatred of God here. He placed Laws, according to you, on the necks of Men that He Himself, even as a human, refuse to submit to. Then slaughtered men by the thousands when they refused to submit to them.

I know you are simply furthering the teaching of another voice you adopted from the garden God placed you in. But seriously, shouldn't a man even consider that maybe God is Just, and His Laws Holy and Righteous, and it is you who have been deceived?

refused to support the Law's commandment to stone an adulteress.

This is another one of "MANY" insidious Lies being promoted about Jesus every day by the "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord.

Let's actually address the story, and see who the Sinner really is.

John 8: 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.

Wow, you quoted this story for the EXACT SAME PURPOSE, to accuse Jesus of Sin.

"But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not."

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

So here, your LIE is EXPOSED. You are preaching to convince as many as will adopt your religion, that Jesus "refused to support the Law's commandment to stone an adulteress".

But as anyone who can read can see, Jesus did no such thing. He told them to so ahead, follow the Law. So what happened?

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Why were they convinced? Was it not because they knew the reason why they brought her in the first place had nothing to do with her sin? They knew they were guilty and worthy of the same exact punishment? Jesus didn't stop them at all from carrying out God's Law, as you would convince others to believe.

So then, who was left to accuse her?

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord.

So what does the Law of God actually say?

Deut. 19: 15 "One witness" shall not "rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin", in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

So who was there to accuse her? Only Jesus. You can read this for yourself. Did HE accuse her? NO, that would be against His Own Law. So HE said in obedience to His Father, "Neither do I condemn thee": go, and sin no more.

So once again, you make a false accusation against Jesus that is clearly exposed by what is actually written. Jesus didn't reject God's Law here, HE kept it perfectly. Read it for yourself.

Yet, He did NOT sin because He was not required to keep the Law. He was above the Law. John said He was "above all".

Again, that is your religion adopted from the "other voice" in the world God placed us in. I believe what is actually written in scriptures. Not just a word or a sentence I can twist to justify the lusts of my flesh, but as the Jesus "of the bible" says, "Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God".

Phil. 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore (Because of this) God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

I will not join with you and the Pharisees in your evil accusations against Him.

 

[dwight92070]

Wrong on all points. And these points you think Jesus broke the Law (and sinned) Jesus explains each point clearly, such as "man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man."
But let's be clear here, if Jesus did sin - which is what you are accusing Him of doing - then those sins, even one sin, would have kept Him in the grave for sin is death. The fact that He resurrected - which is one of the main tenets to Biblical Christianity and fulfillment of the Law - is proof enough that He did not sin where you think He did. That is the gist of it all.

Fulfilling the Law is keeping the Law. If you sign a contract to pay a certain amount each month for a new car, at the end and with the last payment you have fulfilled your obligations under contract and the purpose of those monthly payments was towards full ownership of the vehicle. Get a clue.

If Christ was not under the Law of Moses, then what Law was He under? Roman Law?
Now, on to your erroneous understanding of 1 Corinthians 9:20 let's look at the whole process of thought behind Saul's words rather than take one passage out of context - which many do, so you're in good company with such people that do that and come up with some real outlandish teachings and conclusions. What is Saul's argument on the subject concerning his authority to do what he does as servant and apostle, someone commissioned to do what he does?

1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
1 Corinthians 9:1–27.

But that's not all. The words "moreover" connect chapter 9 to chapter 10:

1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. <---- Referring to Gentiles.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils. <---- Gentiles
22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another’s wealth.
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26 For the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof.
27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof:
29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man’s conscience?
30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:1–11:1.

Spend some time with this. And if the Lord is willing that He may give you understanding for not all men have faith nor do they serve God but their own bellies. Because with these people...what goes in the mouth goes to the belly and in the end comes out the back showing itself as Boo-Boo.
As I said.

Deception is not of God. The passage in Acts 21:24 is straightforward. Don't twist it. God hates a hypocrite (someone playing a part, acting.)

Yup. It is the religion of the Jews. They were the ones under the Law. Gentiles were not, and as a result Gentiles from the day the Lord spoke to Abraham all were born and died without Christ. Millions and millions of Gentiles born and died without salvation. And then you want to turn around and tell me God loves Gentiles??? Funny.
Gentiles got nothing coming to them of the Lord. Nada.
God can save anyone He wants. For some He does it under the (written) Law or He saves some merely by Command. It's as Saul said:

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7:7–25.

There were some who were saved while under the Law, and some saved merely by Commandment, such as Adam and Eve, Seth, Noah, and others. But as a matter of fact, Noah was alive when God made covenant with Abram. Noah was not in that covenant, he was under Command and He obeyed. And that's why He was the only one out of eight that WAS saved. His sons didn't find grace in the eyes of the Lord. His wife did not find grace in the eyes of the Lord. Noah did. He was the only one who received eternal life when the flood came.

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:9.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6:8.

Not his wife, not his sons, not his sons' wives, none.

only Noah.

The only one deceived by Acts 21:24 is you. The context is obvious. Paul did NOT keep the Law. You have to deny ALL of Paul's teachings in the New Testament to think that he did. You have to deny the decision of the Jerusalem council to think that Paul supported keeping the Law. Paul obviously agreed with their decision, because he was sent to let the Gentiles know about it. You have to deny what Paul said about circumcision. "For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
You have to deny his entire teaching of Galatians. You have to deny Paul's teaching in Colossians 2:13-17. You have to deny most of Romans. Pretty much all of Paul's teachings have to be denied to believe that he kept the Law.

 

[Studyman]

The only one deceived by Acts 21:24 is you. The context is obvious. Paul did NOT keep the Law.

As a Pharisee, Paul kept the law of the Pharisees, not the Law of God. The Jesus "of the Bible" called it "Commandments of men" and "traditions of men" that the mainstream religion of His time taught for doctrines. Paul said to "beware of the philosophies and traditions of men", after he repented, turned to God, and brought forth works worthy of repentance. So it is true that before Paul "put on a new man, which after God was created in righteousness and true holiness", he did not not keep, or even strive to keep, nor did he labor to keep God's Law.

That was the old Paul when he was "dead in trespasses and sins", Wherein in time past he walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

But the New Paul "served the Law of God with his mind". He "Yielded himself to God, and his body as instruments of righteousness unto God". He presented his body a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is only our reasonable service."

2 And became no longer conformed to this world: but he was transformed by the renewing of his mind, that he might prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Wherefore, because of this, Paul labored, that, whether present or absent, he might be accepted of him.

Because Paul believed all that was written in the Law and Prophets, and therefore understood that "we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad".

Paul knew it didn't matter if a man was a Jew or a Gentile, "Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

You and the mainstream religions of Paul's time accused him of rejecting God's Judgments and Laws defined in the Law and Prophets, just as you guys accuse Jesus of Sinning against His Father. Paul speaks to this as well.

Rom. 3: 7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

And again;

Acts 24: 12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

So it is true that "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, accuse Paul of rejecting God's Laws, just as they also accuse Jesus of rejecting God's Laws. But they cannot prove it through scriptures. Only by listening to the "other voice" in the garden, are these accusations promoted.

You have to deny ALL of Paul's teachings in the New Testament to think that he did.

Yes, to promote the insidious lie that Paul didn't Strive, Labor and Press towards obedience to God's Law, one would have to deny all of Paul's own teaching.

You have to deny the decision of the Jerusalem council to think that Paul supported keeping the Law.

The council of Jerusalem was made up of Pharisees and Sadducees. These men were children of the devil, who taught for doctrines the commandments of men. What spirit would motivate you to take their word against Jesus first, and then Paul?

Think about that.

Paul obviously agreed with their decision, because he was sent to let the Gentiles know about it.

Who teaches you this foolishness?

"Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?"

You have to deny what Paul said about circumcision. "For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
You have to deny his entire teaching of Galatians.

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Deut. 10: 16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Phil. 3: 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

It is you who are promoting falsehoods about Paul's teaching here. He promoted the same Circumcision Moses did, it's right there in your own Bible.

You have to deny Paul's teaching in Colossians 2:13-17.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

You have to deny most of Romans. Pretty much all of Paul's teachings have to be denied to believe that he kept the Law.

You would have to reject almost all of Paul's Teaching, and twist the rest to further the insidious falsehood that Paul didn't live his life, after his conversion, striving for sinless perfection.

Rom. 2: 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The only one deceived by Acts 21:24 is you. The context is obvious. Paul did NOT keep the Law. You have to deny ALL of Paul's teachings in the New Testament to think that he did. You have to deny the decision of the Jerusalem council to think that Paul supported keeping the Law. Paul obviously agreed with their decision, because he was sent to let the Gentiles know about it. You have to deny what Paul said about circumcision. "For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
You have to deny his entire teaching of Galatians. You have to deny Paul's teaching in Colossians 2:13-17. You have to deny most of Romans. Pretty much all of Paul's teachings have to be denied to believe that he kept the Law.

The people witnessed Saul's obedience to the Lawe of Moses.

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:24.

But you are free to disagree with Scripture. Saul remained a rabbi and a member of the Sanhedrin as a Pharisee. Out of his own mouth he declares these truths.

Here he is practicing the Law of purification.

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
Acts 21:26.

Here is a born-again Christian who also obeyed the Law:

12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Acts 22:12.

I wonder why it doesn't say "a devout man according to God or to Christ." Nope. It says "according to the Law." ALL born-again Jews remained obedient to the Law of Moses. They all came to Christ BECAUSE of the Law of Moses:

18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:18–20.


Here, Saul declares his being a Pharisee and remaining so unto this day:

6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. Acts 23:5–6.

He used his identity as a Pharisee the same way he used his Roman citizenship recorded at the end of the last chapter. Saul would not lie and bear false witness. He would be denigrating the Name of the Lord Jesus for Christ did not call liars to be apostles. He called obedient to the Law born-again Jews to Christ.

In the next passage Saul again declares his association to the Law of Moses even being a Christ-follower (Christian) which is a sect of the Law of Moses, but blind, ignorant Jews call him a seditionist.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14.

Here is Saul again practicing obedience to the Law of Moses:

17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings.
18 Whereupon certain Jews from Asia found me purified in the temple, neither with multitude, nor with tumult.
Acts 24:17–18.

Here's another declaration of obedience to the Law of Moses:

7 And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove.
8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all. Acts 25:7–8.

These men accused Saul of violating the Law of Moses and for teaching things not contained in the Law, and while JESUS IS TAUGHT IN THE LAW they could not convict him of violating the Law of Moses because he declares his obedience to the Law of Moses among Jews who also were obedient to the Law of Moses but not yet born again through the knowledge of the Law of Moses for the Law of Moses teaches about "Christ" from out of the Law of Moses. Here is what Saul said:

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:23–24.

Saul again declares himself still a Pharisee:

4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;
5 Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee. Acts 26:4–5.

This is present tense if you consult the grammar. This means Saul was still a Pharisee but because he preached Jesus rising from the dead they accused him of sedition and violating the Law. But as he writes in Galatians 3:24, the Law guides one to Christ.

6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:
7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope’s sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead? Acts 26:6–8.

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me
Acts 26:17–18.

Saul associates the Law to the Abrahamic Inheritance among the twelve tribes.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Acts 26:21–23.

The king does not count that preaching Jesus violates the Law of Moses especially since the Law of Moses teaches Christ in the Law.

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
30 And when he had thus spoken, the king rose up, and the governor, and Bernice, and they that sat with them:
31 And when they were gone aside, they talked between themselves, saying, This man doeth nothing worthy of death or of bonds. Acts 26:27–31.

Preaching Jesus did not violate the Law of Moses. Saul as rabbi and Pharisee was doing this and King Agrippa agrees this does not violate the Law of Moses.

17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, Acts 28:17.

And again, Saul teaches his hearers the Law and the Prophets:

23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. Acts 28:22–23.

Saul was an obedient rabbi and Pharisee who as a born-again Christian taught Jews the Law of Moses and the Prophets about Jesus contained in each.

I rest my case with God and Scripture.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The only one deceived by Acts 21:24 is you. The context is obvious. Paul did NOT keep the Law. You have to deny ALL of Paul's teachings in the New Testament to think that he did. You have to deny the decision of the Jerusalem council to think that Paul supported keeping the Law. Paul obviously agreed with their decision, because he was sent to let the Gentiles know about it. You have to deny what Paul said about circumcision. "For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
You have to deny his entire teaching of Galatians. You have to deny Paul's teaching in Colossians 2:13-17. You have to deny most of Romans. Pretty much all of Paul's teachings have to be denied to believe that he kept the Law.

It’s incredible how many would oppose Scripture and God to maintain their own traditions of men like some of the ignorant Pharisees who were blind to Christ in the Law of Moses. The Shewbread of Life means nothing to those who bifurcate Christ from out of the law of Moses where He comes from and is taught from.

25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:25–27)

 

[Rockerduck]

The whole New Testament was written to Christians. Jews first, and by Jews, and to all Christians. All the Words of Jesus apply to all Christians. Jesus told me that everyone is the same in Heaven.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The whole New Testament was written to Christians. Jews first, and by Jews, and to all Christians. All the Words of Jesus apply to all Christians. Jesus told me that everyone is the same in Heaven.

As with the Hebrew Scriptures of the Old Testament identified as the Law (Pentateuch), the Psalms, and the Prophets, written by Hebrews to and for other Hebrews. The same can be said of what I call the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation, writings authored by Hebrews written to and for Hebrews. It is pure arrogance that after speaking and dealing with the Hebrew people for several thousands of years that God's first words under the New Covenant era are made to non-Hebrew Gentiles especially when the New Covenant itself as prophesied by Jeremiah to the Hebrew people mentions nothing about non-Hebrew Gentiles being included in this New Covenant:


27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah
With the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them,
To pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down,
And to destroy, and to afflict;
So will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
29 In those days they shall say no more,
The fathers have eaten a sour grape,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
Every man that eateth the sour grape,
His teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:27–33.

This prophecy concludes in verse 34:

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of another tribe), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

IF you are honest with the Bible, you will see this as true. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this New Covenant, a New Covenant founded upon the Law and the blood of the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, and Him crucified to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel under the Law, for the New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ.

 

[Rockerduck]

As with the Hebrew Scriptures of the Old Testament identified as the Law (Pentateuch), the Psalms, and the Prophets, written by Hebrews to and for other Hebrews. The same can be said of what I call the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation, writings authored by Hebrews written to and for Hebrews. It is pure arrogance that after speaking and dealing with the Hebrew people for several thousands of years that God's first words under the New Covenant era are made to non-Hebrew Gentiles especially when the New Covenant itself as prophesied by Jeremiah to the Hebrew people mentions nothing about non-Hebrew Gentiles being included in this New Covenant:


27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah
With the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them,
To pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down,
And to destroy, and to afflict;
So will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
29 In those days they shall say no more,
The fathers have eaten a sour grape,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
Every man that eateth the sour grape,
His teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:27–33.

This prophecy concludes in verse 34:

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of another tribe), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

IF you are honest with the Bible, you will see this as true. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this New Covenant, a New Covenant founded upon the Law and the blood of the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, and Him crucified to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel under the Law, for the New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ.

I can agree because I'm Jewish. However, I've visited many churches and there are many born again believers in these churches, not every member, but in every church. Are you saying that's these believers are not in the New Covenant?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I can agree because I'm Jewish. However, I've visited many churches and there are many born again believers in these churches, not every member, but in every church. Are you saying that's these believers are not in the New Covenant?

Several facts from Scripture (and history) inform my theological beliefs. Let's see if we see the same Jesus and say the same thing as God.

The Abraham Covenant is a covenant between God, Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13), and Abram's Hebrew seed. After Abraham's death Isaac inherited Abe's promises from God. After Isaac died Jacob - not Esau - inherited those same covenant promises. After Jacob's death his twelve sons inherited those same covenant promises of land, a great name, and children/families that would in time 'cover' the earth (Gen. 12:1-3.) Verse 3 states that God promised Abraham, "in thee shall all YOUR families of the earth" shall be blessed, focusing on God stating "IN THEE" meaning his biological families that in time would be born through Abraham including children from Abraham through a wife he married after Sarah died, through Ishmael who had twelve sons/princes that would also fulfill earlier than the kings of Israel the "nations" and "kings" that would be born "shall be of her" (Abraham - Gen. 17:16), also children born to Esau in whom kings and nations shall be born of him as well. In all, Abraham was given covenant promises and blessings that would extend to those born of his seed from many sons and daughters born from his loins as time went on. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named, identified, or mentioned as being included in this covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant was a covenant between God and the children of Israel/Jacob, who was a son of Isaac who was a son of Abraham. Through these three men the promises were inherited as directed by God through the seed of Abraham and Sarah, and not through Abraham and Hagar, a woman who was a slave/servant owned by Abraham and Sarah. This covenant was established first with the children of Israel while in bondage in Egypt and was the Passover promise of life to the children of Israel who obeyed God's instruction and command to slay an animal and apply its blood to the door frames of the houses of every Israelite in the land. Later, through Moses and then directly from God the LORD made covenant with the children of Israel in the desert and at the time of the Tabernacle, a covenant made between God and the twelve tribes of Israel/Jacob. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named, identified, or mentioned as being included in this covenant.

The New Covenant between God and both houses of Israel (ten tribes) and Judah (two tribes) was prophesied by Jeremiah the prophet (31:31-34.) This was a covenant that contained no mechanism by which God would "forgive" Israel and "remember their sin no more" unless it is tied to the Mosaic Covenant which prophesied God would send a "Prophet like unto Moses" who would become God's final iteration of the salvation which was of the Jews in whom this "Messiah" would deliver Israel from their enemies, including enemies that separated God from His Chosen people due to their sin which resulted in death. The Mosaic Covenant did contain a mechanism through which God would be able to "forgive" this people and "remember their sin no more" through the Ceremonial part of the Mosaic Covenant in which God would send His very own Son to substitute for the animal slain at Israel's Passover, a Son who at His last Passover instituted the New Covenant in His "body and blood" which was given "to you" (the twelve disciples representing the twelve tribes of Israel. The prophet Joel prophesied that God would give His Spirit to Israel and this promise was fulfilled after the last Passover of the Son of God which took place on the day of the Jewish Feast of Harvest, also called "Pentecost" ca. A.D. 32. The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named, identified, or included in the New Covenant described and recorded in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Historically, God scattered the twelve tribes of Israel among Gentiles through the Asyrian and Babylonian conquests and Exile in 722 BC and 586 BC, respectively. This lasted approximately 722 years and included 29-35 generations of Jews who lived and grew up as Gentile which people in the New Testament are identified as "Hellenized" Jews. There were many mixed-race Jews whom the Jews called Samaritan of the ten northern kingdom tribes - including Ephraim and Manassas who I hold the Jews called "Gentile" as they were mixed race Jews who intermarried with Gentiles during the Exile of these people into Gentile lands as stated above through both conquests and Exiles. Offspring between Jews and Gentiles also occurred because of rape, concubinage, and slavery of the Hebrew people. These are the offspring of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin of whom the Jews called these mixed-race Jews "Gentile" and not "Jew" because of their mixed-race ancestry. This is the only reasonable conclusion that explains seemingly non-Hebrew Gentiles being born again, people such as Luke, Timothy, and others who not always grew up Gentile but did maintain their Hebrew heritage although there was no Temple in which to practice their Law. The Mosaic Lawand later, Judaism. was honored through the observance of their Feasts which kept most Jews Hebrew. Still, the majority of all Jews alive during these 722 years from the Assyrian and Babylonian Conquest and Exile remained in Gentile lands despite Cyrus the Great giving permission to both Nehemiah and later, Ezra, to return to their land (Israel.) Only a remnant left for Israel, a remnant of about 5-10% of all Jews alive at this time.

In keeping with the character of the three Hebrew covenants which did not include non-Hebrew Gentiles, and the fact of Jews being scattered throughout Gentile lands, the only reasonable conclusion of non-Hebrew Gentiles who are really of mixed-race Jews who lived as Gentile are Abraham's seed and are the heirs according to the promise. The only reasonable conclusion of how and why "Gentiles" have been born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL is that God is keeping His promise to Abraham that his seed - with Gentile help - are mixed-race Jews of varying DNA influence but they are still Abraham's seed who was promised seed as numerous as the stars in the heaven and the sand on the seashore. Gentiles who claim to be Gentile and are born-again by necessity would have to have at least one Hebrew parent in their ancestry which explains "Gentiles" being saved and born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL.

 

[Studyman]

Several facts from Scripture (and history) inform my theological beliefs. Let's see if we see the same Jesus and say the same thing as God.

The Abraham Covenant is a covenant between God, Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13), and Abram's Hebrew seed.

I know this is what the Pharisees believed, and what "many" who "profess to know God" even to this day preach. But most ancient known Transcripts of Genesis available to us, say this.

Gen. 17: 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Moses Confirms this.

Ex. 12: 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

God's Own LAW Confirms again.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be "unto you" as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Isaiah confirms this.

Is. 56: 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, "every one" that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

And the Jesus "of the Bible" confirms this.

John 8: 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works "of Abraham".

Now you are free to preach whatever you want, and there are "Many" who profess to know God, who preach to the world that God judges men by the DNA they were born with. But the Biblical Truth is, from the very beginning, anyone, everyone, who "Yields themselves to God", were considered God's Children, Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise. It was the rebellious Jews, the "Children of the Devil" who taught for doctrines the commandments of men, who taught that Non-Jews "were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world".

Paul explains what happened to them for making such a wicked and evil Judgment against God, in the face of God's Own Words that expose it as false, and how it happened to those men who were actually given the Oracles of God, but like so many, simply doesn't believe them.

Rom. 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him "not" as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And now they are preaching to the world that God is a God who judges men, not by their works as HE tells us over and over and over and over, but HE judges men according to the DNA they were born with.

I will not join you in your judgments.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Several facts from Scripture (and history) inform my theological beliefs. Let's see if we see the same Jesus and say the same thing as God.

The Abraham Covenant is a covenant between God, Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13), and Abram's Hebrew seed. After Abraham's death Isaac inherited Abe's promises from God. After Isaac died Jacob - not Esau - inherited those same covenant promises. After Jacob's death his twelve sons inherited those same covenant promises of land, a great name, and children/families that would in time 'cover' the earth (Gen. 12:1-3.) Verse 3 states that God promised Abraham, "in thee shall all YOUR families of the earth" shall be blessed, focusing on God stating "IN THEE" meaning his biological families that in time would be born through Abraham including children from Abraham through a wife he married after Sarah died, through Ishmael who had twelve sons/princes that would also fulfill earlier than the kings of Israel the "nations" and "kings" that would be born "shall be of her" (Abraham - Gen. 17:16), also children born to Esau in whom kings and nations shall be born of him as well. In all, Abraham was given covenant promises and blessings that would extend to those born of his seed from many sons and daughters born from his loins as time went on. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named, identified, or mentioned as being included in this covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant was a covenant between God and the children of Israel/Jacob, who was a son of Isaac who was a son of Abraham. Through these three men the promises were inherited as directed by God through the seed of Abraham and Sarah, and not through Abraham and Hagar, a woman who was a slave/servant owned by Abraham and Sarah. This covenant was established first with the children of Israel while in bondage in Egypt and was the Passover promise of life to the children of Israel who obeyed God's instruction and command to slay an animal and apply its blood to the door frames of the houses of every Israelite in the land. Later, through Moses and then directly from God the LORD made covenant with the children of Israel in the desert and at the time of the Tabernacle, a covenant made between God and the twelve tribes of Israel/Jacob. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named, identified, or mentioned as being included in this covenant.

The New Covenant between God and both houses of Israel (ten tribes) and Judah (two tribes) was prophesied by Jeremiah the prophet (31:31-34.) This was a covenant that contained no mechanism by which God would "forgive" Israel and "remember their sin no more" unless it is tied to the Mosaic Covenant which prophesied God would send a "Prophet like unto Moses" who would become God's final iteration of the salvation which was of the Jews in whom this "Messiah" would deliver Israel from their enemies, including enemies that separated God from His Chosen people due to their sin which resulted in death. The Mosaic Covenant did contain a mechanism through which God would be able to "forgive" this people and "remember their sin no more" through the Ceremonial part of the Mosaic Covenant in which God would send His very own Son to substitute for the animal slain at Israel's Passover, a Son who at His last Passover instituted the New Covenant in His "body and blood" which was given "to you" (the twelve disciples representing the twelve tribes of Israel. The prophet Joel prophesied that God would give His Spirit to Israel and this promise was fulfilled after the last Passover of the Son of God which took place on the day of the Jewish Feast of Harvest, also called "Pentecost" ca. A.D. 32. The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named, identified, or included in the New Covenant described and recorded in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Historically, God scattered the twelve tribes of Israel among Gentiles through the Asyrian and Babylonian conquests and Exile in 722 BC and 586 BC, respectively. This lasted approximately 722 years and included 29-35 generations of Jews who lived and grew up as Gentile which people in the New Testament are identified as "Hellenized" Jews. There were many mixed-race Jews whom the Jews called Samaritan of the ten northern kingdom tribes - including Ephraim and Manassas who I hold the Jews called "Gentile" as they were mixed race Jews who intermarried with Gentiles during the Exile of these people into Gentile lands as stated above through both conquests and Exiles. Offspring between Jews and Gentiles also occurred because of rape, concubinage, and slavery of the Hebrew people. These are the offspring of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin of whom the Jews called these mixed-race Jews "Gentile" and not "Jew" because of their mixed-race ancestry. This is the only reasonable conclusion that explains seemingly non-Hebrew Gentiles being born again, people such as Luke, Timothy, and others who not always grew up Gentile but did maintain their Hebrew heritage although there was no Temple in which to practice their Law. The Mosaic Lawand later, Judaism. was honored through the observance of their Feasts which kept most Jews Hebrew. Still, the majority of all Jews alive during these 722 years from the Assyrian and Babylonian Conquest and Exile remained in Gentile lands despite Cyrus the Great giving permission to both Nehemiah and later, Ezra, to return to their land (Israel.) Only a remnant left for Israel, a remnant of about 5-10% of all Jews alive at this time.

In keeping with the character of the three Hebrew covenants which did not include non-Hebrew Gentiles, and the fact of Jews being scattered throughout Gentile lands, the only reasonable conclusion of non-Hebrew Gentiles who are really of mixed-race Jews who lived as Gentile are Abraham's seed and are the heirs according to the promise. The only reasonable conclusion of how and why "Gentiles" have been born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL is that God is keeping His promise to Abraham that his seed - with Gentile help - are mixed-race Jews of varying DNA influence but they are still Abraham's seed who was promised seed as numerous as the stars in the heaven and the sand on the seashore. Gentiles who claim to be Gentile and are born-again by necessity would have to have at least one Hebrew parent in their ancestry which explains "Gentiles" being saved and born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL.

A false gospel absent the work of Jesus Christ.

Did anyone notice the lack of honor and affection for Jesus Christ in what this man just said?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I know this is what the Pharisees believed, and what "many" who "profess to know God" even to this day preach. But most ancient known Transcripts of Genesis available to us, say this.

Gen. 17: 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Let's not sell God short. Finish the thought:

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Genesis 17:9–13.

Merely being circumcised does not mean the person is in covenant with God. Ishmael and Esau were circumcised but they weren't included in the covenant promises. And after all that cutting of the flesh as a sing of covenant God clearly says for those easily confused: "and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."

"IN YOUR FLESH/SEED." Meaning DNA.
The way you present it evidences you are not being honest with Scripture.

Moses Confirms this.

Ex. 12: 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

God's Own LAW Confirms again.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be "unto you" as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Ishamel and Esau and Abraham's other children with the new wifey after Sarah died lived in and around the Promised Land. That was part of the prophecy God made about Ishmael:

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. Genesis 16:11–12.

That clearly describes the non-covenant, circumcised, children of Ishmael of twelve sons and from whom "nations" and "kings" came out of his seed from Abraham. Stars in the heaven and sand on the seashore was part of the blessings God gave to Abraham. His cup runneth over and splashed on Ishmael. They are included and identified as the "families of the earth" God's blessings passed onto these families "IN YOUR FLESH" that were born of Abraham.

Isaiah confirms this.

Is. 56: 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, "every one" that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

It's NOT for all people, but for ALL HEBREW PEOPLE. Stay in context. Nowhere in the passage does God refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles. Isaiah lived in the 700s BC. That's nearly 1500 years from Abraham. God never made any kind of covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles because they were already alive and the descendants of Ham and Japheth. And there are families of Noah, Shem, and others not recorded in Scripture and they cannot be discounted. Adam was also alive at this time when Abe was alive. Adam and Eve not only had Cain, Abel, and Seth. This was when a population explosion occurred among the patriarchs that are not written in Scripture. Not even the genealogies of Jesus recorded in Matthew and Luke records ALL the descendants that lived and related to Jesus.

And the Jesus "of the Bible" confirms this.

John 8: 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works "of Abraham".

Now you are free to preach whatever you want, and there are "Many" who profess to know God, who preach to the world that God judges men by the DNA they were born with. But the Biblical Truth is, from the very beginning, anyone, everyone, who "Yields themselves to God", were considered God's Children, Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise. It was the rebellious Jews, the "Children of the Devil" who taught for doctrines the commandments of men, who taught that Non-Jews "were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world".

First, I never said "God judges' people by their DNA." God judges people based upon whether or not they are in covenant with Him. Ishmael and Esau are of Abraham's DNA but they are NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant, a covenant that was first among three in which God has a Chosen man and from that one man a Chosen people born from that man. Ishmael had a covenant/promises with God, but God declared that in Isaac shall thy name be. God later made covenant with Jacob's descendants through his twelve sons. Then God makes covenant with the descendants of these twelve sons of Jacob. Do we have an exact record of the children born who can claim Jacob as great-great-great Grandfather, etc. There were certain families that were born which leads to David, and from Dave to Jesus. God is the One who assigns inheritors of the Abraham promises/covenant. It went to Isaac, not Ishmael. It went to Jacob and NOT Esau. So, God does not judge by DNA because Ishmael and Esau at least are Abe's DNA but the covenant didn't go through their family lines. AND it was mixed-race Hebrews who were "without Christ" when Saul found them in his travels:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11–13.

Compare the above with what Peter said in Acts:

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:39.

See how Scripture compliments each other? Peter was speaking to the twelve tribes that were in Jerusalem that day both living, and visiting the Feast. Peter doesn't leave out the millions of Jews that lived and remained in Gentile lands that grew up as Gentiles having lost their connection to "the commonwealth" and "aliens and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." Millions of mixed-race Jews that were the seed of Abraham and could claim inheritance of his promises and the only way God could save "Gentiles" was through mixed-race offspring since He was the One that scattered His covenant people INTO Gentile lands. But it was TIME to call His people back to Himself and the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL was the One with the almighty power to such a thing.

7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame. Ezekiel 36:7.

and

20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and fa new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. Ezekiel 36:20–28.

God emphasizes "among the heathen" to the point of assimilation that they grew up as heathen and ignorant about many of their customs. But God did not forget these people, His people. He sent the eleven disciples, Saul, maybe Apollos, and Aquila and Priscilla, a woman who taught men!

Paul explains what happened to them for making such a wicked and evil Judgment against God, in the face of God's Own Words that expose it as false, and how it happened to those men who were actually given the Oracles of God, but like so many, simply doesn't believe them.

Rom. 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him "not" as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And now they are preaching to the world that God is a God who judges men, not by their works as HE tells us over and over and over and over, but HE judges men according to the DNA they were born with.

I will not join you in your judgments.

Now you accuse me without proof. I read the Scripture in context to God's Chosen people, and you, like a Gentile, apply looking at the Hebrew Scripture with a Gentile mindset.
I say again: There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named or mentioned as being included in the Abraham Covenant.
I say again: There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named or mentioned as being included in the Mosaic Covenant.
I say again: according to Jeremiah's prophecy of a New Covenant there are NO NON-HEBREWS named or mentioned as being in this New Covenant God made with the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.)

For the past year and so many months NO ONE can show me in the Hebrew Scripture also known as the Old Testament any Scripture that describes and records God making covenant with ANY non-Hebrew man, NOR can anyone tell me the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile who is possessor of any covenant with the God of Abraham.

We are in the New Covenant era alongside Israel, and we await God's returning Promise to Israel His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ! the Son of Son of God. He will know only One thing among many, and that is, are YOU an inheritor of the Abraham Covenant?

The Abraham Covenant was inherited by a son of Abraham, Isaac, and NOT Ishmael, with Jacob and NOT Esau.
God is threading a family line that contains Abraham's DNA but God does not judge by DNA, He judges people

 

[jeremiah1five]

A false gospel absent the work of Jesus Christ.

Did anyone notice the lack of honor and affection for Jesus Christ in what this man just said?

Me! Me! Me! I noticed what Scripture says that those who are of Abraham's seed through Isaac, and through Jacob are the inheritors of Abraham's Covenant promises given by God.
It's a family affair and only Abraham's seed needs to apply.
The Lord knows them that are His. I'm in covenant. I am the seed of Abraham. How do I know?
Because I was born-again by the Holy Spirit and He is the Holy Spirit of Promise God PROMISED TO ISRAEL, and NOT to Gentiles!

 

[Rockerduck]

In keeping with the character of the three Hebrew covenants which did not include non-Hebrew Gentiles, and the fact of Jews being scattered throughout Gentile lands, the only reasonable conclusion of non-Hebrew Gentiles who are really of mixed-race Jews who lived as Gentile are Abraham's seed and are the heirs according to the promise. The only reasonable conclusion of how and why "Gentiles" have been born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL is that God is keeping His promise to Abraham that his seed - with Gentile help - are mixed-race Jews of varying DNA influence but they are still Abraham's seed who was promised seed as numerous as the stars in the heaven and the sand on the seashore. Gentiles who claim to be Gentile and are born-again by necessity would have to have at least one Hebrew parent in their ancestry which explains "Gentiles" being saved and born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL.

This is well thought out and what I believe too. Except not all in my family tree are saved although the genetic line came from the same source that I came from.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Me! Me! Me! I noticed what Scripture says that those who are of Abraham's seed through Isaac, and through Jacob are the inheritors of Abraham's Covenant promises given by God.
It's a family affair and only Abraham's seed needs to apply.
The Lord knows them that are His. I'm in covenant. I am the seed of Abraham. How do I know?
Because I was born-again by the Holy Spirit and He is the Holy Spirit of Promise God PROMISED TO ISRAEL, and NOT to Gentiles!

Yep. Salvation without Jesus Christ. That is what you have and that is a false gospel.

 

[praise_yeshua]

This is well thought out and what I believe too. Except not all in my family tree are saved although the genetic line came from the same source that I came from.

Not well thought out at all.

Are you a Geneticist? I hope you realize that DNA is an inexact science. Moses and the Hebrews you claim keep meticulous records.

Do you have access to those and your complete ancestry like Jesus does?

For example, I know that Jesus Himself descended from Tamar and included Ruth. Ruth was a Moabite. We know Moses spoke of Moabites.

Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

If you like to dissect that verse in Hebrew.... please do.

Why would you ever believe you know your ancestry among a people that has sex with anyone they wanted to the point that G* literally divorced Israel?

Myself. I'm a mutt. A dirty mutt but I'm glad Jesus honored the faith of the mutts of this life.....

Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Do you love Jesus Christ? If you do, tell me how you value Him?

 

[Rockerduck]

Not well thought out at all.

Are you a Geneticist? I hope you realize that DNA is an inexact science. Moses and the Hebrews you claim keep meticulous records.

Do you have access to those and your complete ancestry like Jesus does?

For example, I know that Jesus Himself descended from Tamar and included Ruth. Ruth was a Moabite. We know Moses spoke of Moabites.

Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

If you like to dissect that verse in Hebrew.... please do.

Why would you ever believe you know your ancestry among a people that has sex with anyone they wanted to the point that G* literally divorced Israel?

Myself. I'm a mutt. A dirty mutt but I'm glad Jesus honored the faith of the mutts of this life.....

Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Do you love Jesus Christ? If you do, tell me how you value Him?

I've said this before on this forum and other forums. I'm born again from above by the Grace of God through the saving power of Jesus Christ and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Chosen and called by God to preach the Gospel. I did my own family tree over 20 years ago before online DNA fakery was online. I know who is in my tree. I'm a mutt with Jewish relatives in my tree and I know by revelation from Jesus Christ my Jewish roots.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I've said this before on this forum and other forums. I'm born again from above by the Grace of God through the saving power of Jesus Christ and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Chosen and called by God to preach the Gospel. I did my own family tree over 20 years ago before online DNA fakery was online. I know who is in my tree. I'm a mutt with Jewish relatives in my tree and I know by revelation from Jesus Christ my Jewish roots.

Thanks for answering.

To clarify. You're a Jew inwardly? The circumcision of the heart?

If so, then we have the same seed. Jesus Christ. How do you disagree with me?

 

[Rockerduck]

Thanks for answering.

To clarify. You're a Jew inwardly? The circumcision of the heart?

If so, then we have the same seed. Jesus Christ. How do you disagree with me?

I agree with Romans 2:29, so yes. and in Ephesians 4:4-5 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5. one Lord (Jesus Christ), one faith (in Jesus Christ), one baptism. We can both agree on this.
As far as the seed;
Galatians 3:16 -Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. I agree with all of these scriptures.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I agree with Romans 2:29, so yes. and in Ephesians 4:4-5 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5. one Lord (Jesus Christ), one faith (in Jesus Christ), one baptism. We can both agree on this.
As far as the seed;
Galatians 3:16 -Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. I agree with all of these scriptures.

So, the promise is only to a singular seed. Jesus Christ? Just want to make sure you agree with this.

I often say that Jesus Christ is the sole heir of Abraham. If you agree with Galatians 3:16, there is no other choice to be found. It wasn't about Isaac. It was never about the sole heir of Abraham in Isaac.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Heb 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Heb 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

There is a heavenly country that is ours. Abraham died without receiving the promises. Isaac died without receiving the promises. Abraham and Isaac both were not looking for Jerusalem or Salem (at the time of their wandering in the land.

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Do you, like Moses, esteem the reproaches of Christ "greater treasure" than this world (Egypt) can ever give you?

Do you see Christ like Moses did?