Judaism is very messy.....

[praise_yeshua]

Luke was mixed race. He was not wholly non-Hebrew. He was mixed race. The centurions in the gospel were also mixed race. The Samaritan woman at the well was mixed race. And by virtue of being of the DNA of Abraham they were heirs to the promise.

Christians follow Christ. If Christ called Saul by his Hebrew name, then as a follower so do I.

That's it. Case closed.

The entire world is a "mixed" race from the sole parentage of Adam and Eve. You included. Me included.

There isn't a "pure race" upon this earthy. All have been concluded under sin and we prove over and over most every day of our lives.

So stop this nonsense theology you're peddling. Our fathers failed us. Christ didn't.

This is of the utmost importance.

 

[dwight92070]

Koberstein said: "When the partition in the Temple was torn in two during Messiah"s crucifixion that allowed the Jews to approach God without going through an earthly high priest. Because now we have a new high priest in Yeshua Hamashiach."

Surprise! He is also the high priest of all Gentile believers, since He died for the sins of the whole world, not just those of the Jews. 1 John 2:2

You are anti-Gentile, whereas Paul wanted to see the Gentiles saved. And when they did get saved, He didn't lambast them and falsely accuse them of hating Jews, like you are. In fact, Paul condemned the anti-Gentile attitude among the believing Jews in Romans 2:17-29.

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

So according to Paul, I am a Jew, and so are all believers born of the Spirit.

Also, according to Paul, a Jew who is not born of the Spirit, is not a Jew at all.

I am not anti-Jew, but I am anti - your attitude toward Gentiles, especially believing Gentiles.

Of course there are people who hate Jews. There are also people who hate Christians. As Christians, we are not to hate anyone. Jewish Christians should not hate Gentile Christians and Gentile Christians should not hate Jewish Christians, since both have been born of the Holy Spirit.

 

[dwight92070]

For a Jew, you are not very good at subtlety.
Let me take out my sledgehammer:

• Was Jesus (the God-man) entitled to go to Heaven because of what He did or because of who He was?

God the Son had every right to be in Heaven.
By what right did Jesus (flesh and blood) enter heaven?

Hypostatic Union says that Christ was 100% God and 100% man ...

He is God from the essence of the Father, begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity. Although he is God and human, yet Christ is not two, but one. He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself. He is one, certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person. For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human. - Athanasian Creed​

He was not begotten before time. He was begotten from the womb of Mary. Also "the Word became flesh", so in a sense divinity did "turn into" flesh.

The creeds are not Scripture. Why does anyone treat them as if they were?

 

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Koberstein said: "When the partition in the Temple was torn in two during Messiah"s crucifixion that allowed the Jews to approach God without going through an earthly high priest. Because now we have a new high priest in Yeshua Hamashiach."

Surprise! He is also the high priest of all Gentile believers, since He died for the sins of the whole world, not just those of the Jews. 1 John 2:2

You are anti-Gentile, whereas Paul wanted to see the Gentiles saved. And when they did get saved, He didn't lambast them and falsely accuse them of hating Jews, like you are. In fact, Paul condemned the anti-Gentile attitude among the believing Jews in Romans 2:17-29.

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

So according to Paul, I am a Jew, and so are all believers born of the Spirit.

Also, according to Paul, a Jew who is not born of the Spirit, is not a Jew at all.

I am not anti-Jew, but I am anti - your attitude toward Gentiles, especially believing Gentiles.

Of course there are people who hate Jews. There are also people who hate Christians. As Christians, we are not to hate anyone. Jewish Christians should not hate Gentile Christians and Gentile Christians should not hate Jewish Christians, since both have been born of the Holy Spirit.

First of all.you are not Jewish. I seriously doubt either one of your parents are Jewish.
Secondly, I am NOT against believing or unbelieving Gentiles. But I am against people like you who pedal misinformation and disinformation about the Scriptures. I'm not a fan of the KJV because of the way it came about and with the anti-Jewish bias. There is a difference between Messianic Gentiles and Christianity. I had a choice as a teenager growing up of being a Christian or a Messianic. I chose Messianic Judaism. My younger brother had the same choice, and he chose to be a Roman Catholic. I noticed in life that when a Jew leaves Judaism they usually become a Roman Catholic. I watch Larry Kudlow on Fox Busines. He is a Jew and left Judaism and converted to the Roman Catholic faith. I wonder why he didn't chose the evangelical Christian faith? Roman Catholics consider themselves of the Christian faith. Roman Catholics were severely hated and discriminated against in the 1950s and the 1960s in southwest Pa where I grew up.
Shalom

 

[dwight92070]

Mine is not a final goodbye unless I put you on ignore.
Shalom

Shalom also means "peace", but whoever uses it must put their money where their mouth is, and demonstrate a peaceful, kind, and loving heart toward those who are not Jews.

Luke was mixed race. He was not wholly non-Hebrew. He was mixed race. The centurions in the gospel were also mixed race. The Samaritan woman at the well was mixed race. And by virtue of being of the DNA of Abraham they were heirs to the promise.

Christians follow Christ. If Christ called Saul by his Hebrew name, then as a follower so do I.

That's it. Case closed.

DNA had nothing to do with it. Rather, if they had faith in Jesus, they were heirs to the promise. Esau, Ishmael and the other six sons of Abraham through Ketura all had the DNA of Abraham, but none of them were heirs to the promise - ONLY Isaac and Jacob.

"the Gentiles are fellow heirs (to the promise) and fellow members of the body (of Christ), and fellow partakers of the promise (to Abraham) in Christ Jesus through the gospel." Ephesians 3:6

 

[dwight92070]

First of all.you are not Jewish. I seriously doubt either one of your parents are Jewish.
Secondly, I am NOT against believing or unbelieving Gentiles. But I am against people like you who pedal misinformation and disinformation about the Scriptures. I'm not a fan of the KJV because of the way it came about and with the anti-Jewish bias. There is a difference between Messianic Gentiles and Christianity. I had a choice as a teenager growing up of being a Christian or a Messianic. I chose Messianic Judaism. My younger brother had the same choice, and he chose to be a Roman Catholic. I noticed in life that when a Jew leaves Judaism they usually become a Roman Catholic. I watch Larry Kudlow on Fox Busines. He is a Jew and left Judaism and converted to the Roman Catholic faith. I wonder why he didn't chose the evangelical Christian faith? Roman Catholics consider themselves of the Christian faith. Roman Catholics were severely hated and discriminated against in the 1950s and the 1960s in southwest Pa where I grew up.
Shalom

Paul tells me I am a Jew and part of the "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16) and my parentage doesn't matter. I have been grafted in. Romans 11:17-24

The Roman Catholic church has an awful history of hating and murdering 50,000,000 non-Catholics, including Jews. They, like you, with a minority of exceptions, show little interest in reading and knowing the Bible. Which is why that church is so filled with made-up, false teachings, ceremonies and idolatry.

 

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Shalom also means "peace", but whoever uses it must put their money where their mouth is, and demonstrate a peaceful, kind, and loving heart toward those who are not Jews.

DNA had nothing to do with it. Rather, if they had faith in Jesus, they were heirs to the promise. Esau, Ishmael and the other six sons of Abraham through Ketura all had the DNA of Abraham, but none of them were heirs to the promise - ONLY Isaac and Jacob.

"the Gentiles are fellow heirs (to the promise) and fellow members of the body (of Christ), and fellow partakers of the promise (to Abraham) in Christ Jesus through the gospel." Ephesians 3:6

Too bad some of them don't act
like it.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

He was not begotten before time. He was begotten from the womb of Mary. Also "the Word became flesh", so in a sense divinity did "turn into" flesh.

The creeds are not Scripture. Why does anyone treat them as if they were?

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Such is a reference to the time of Moses.

Luk 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Luk 20:39 Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said.
Luk 20:40 And after that they durst not ask him any question at all.

God always of the living.