Judaism is very messy.....

[Rockerduck]

Moses saw Christ coming. Moses was at the transfiguration. So yes. scripture proves it.

Moses says it right here;

Deuteronomy 18:15 - “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,

John 1:45 - Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Moses saw Christ coming. Moses was at the transfiguration. So yes. scripture proves it.

Moses says it right here;

Deuteronomy 18:15 - “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,

John 1:45 - Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Close but there is more. Jesus associated Himself with the burning bush

Notice Jesus claiming he was never of this world. Never.

Jhn 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

but it got much better and larger when Jesus said...

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Speaking of His Eternal nature and the revelation given to Moses at the burning bush.

Our Savior is a consuming fire.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yep. Salvation without Jesus Christ. That is what you have and that is a false gospel.

Nope. I hold to the singular "seed" as Saul brought out its significance, but Isaac was also a singular "seed" and not a twin. What Gentiles did in putting together letters and make it a Bible and elevated it with the Old Testament is missing authority of God to do so. The way the Bible of the New Testament came to be was as a defense of heresy in the church. I mean, look at Saul's personal letter to Timothy. How does that match up to Leviticus or Deuteronomy? It was a personal letter. It was never written with the expectation it would become canon and joined with the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. With the Old Testament we have God commanding His prophets to write certain things to Israel with the intention that it was to be consulted over and again and used as a basis of how one was to live their lives. I don't see how a personal letter - although containing personal studies and interpretations of the Old Testament by a rabbi and Pharisee named Saul who never entertained the idea that it would be made public and place in a book along with other letters by Jews to other Jews discussing and interpreting in rabbinical fashion the Old Testament writings and prophecies that required understanding, such as "bread of life" (Jesus Christ) referring to the Shewbread in the Tabernacle. And that's what these letters circulated around to others in other church locations of Saul, Peter, James, and John to name a few who did what we do when we sit down under the anointing and study the Old Testament. Now we have a "Bible" consisting of letters discussing the New Covenant as typed and shadowed in the Old Testament that is bound together with the Hebrew Scriptures which are written at the direction of God for a specific purpose. Letter, mind you. I can write a letter under the same anointing containing my understanding of the Old Testament - which is what I do - and it can become "Bible."
Imagine that. Maybe I should go through all my study notes like a MacArthur or a Hodge and Vos and publish my own Bible. I'm sure it will sell.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nope. I hold to the singular "seed" as Saul brought out its significance, but Isaac was also a singular "seed" and not a twin. What Gentiles did in putting together letters and make it a Bible and elevated it with the Old Testament is missing authority of God to do so. The way the Bible of the New Testament came to be was as a defense of heresy in the church. I mean, look at Saul's personal letter to Timothy. How does that match up to Leviticus or Deuteronomy? It was a personal letter. It was never written with the expectation it would become canon and joined with the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. With the Old Testament we have God commanding His prophets to write certain things to Israel with the intention that it was to be consulted over and again and used as a basis of how one was to live their lives. I don't see how a personal letter - although containing personal studies and interpretations of the Old Testament by a rabbi and Pharisee named Saul who never entertained the idea that it would be made public and place in a book along with other letters by Jews to other Jews discussing and interpreting in rabbinical fashion the Old Testament writings and prophecies that required understanding, such as "bread of life" (Jesus Christ) referring to the Shewbread in the Tabernacle. And that's what these letters circulated around to others in other church locations of Saul, Peter, James, and John to name a few who did what we do when we sit down under the anointing and study the Old Testament. Now we have a "Bible" consisting of letters discussing the New Covenant as typed and shadowed in the Old Testament that is bound together with the Hebrew Scriptures which are written at the direction of God for a specific purpose. Letter, mind you. I can write a letter under the same anointing containing my understanding of the Old Testament - which is what I do - and it can become "Bible."
Imagine that. Maybe I should go through all my study notes like a MacArthur or a Hodge and Vos and publish my own Bible. I'm sure it will sell.

The passage you're referencing doesn't name Isaac. It only names Jesus Christ.

Do you know that the bones of Isaac are still in his grave right? So much for life without Christ.

I've dealt with people like you for a very long time. You always end up saying what you just said. I'm fine with dealing this strictly from an OT perspective. I've done it many times before.

So again, what heir is there that is dead? Again, were did that RAM come from that that you said honored God in sacrifice?

You're making this up as you go. Some of this you got from me.

So answer these OT questions and lets keep exposing your inabilities and racism.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yep. Salvation without Jesus Christ. That is what you have and that is a false gospel.

Not even, Stephen. You just don't understand.

 

[Studyman]

Merely being circumcised does not mean the person is in covenant with God.

That holds true for Abraham, his children, and his servants, both Hebrew and non-Hebrew.

Ishmael and Esau were circumcised but they weren't included in the covenant promises. And after all that cutting of the flesh as a sing of covenant God clearly says for those easily confused: "and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."

"IN YOUR FLESH/SEED." Meaning DNA.
The way you present it evidences you are not being honest with Scripture.

Ishamel and Esau and Abraham's other children with the new wifey after Sarah died lived in and around the Promised Land. That was part of the prophecy God made about Ishmael:

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. Genesis 16:11–12.

That clearly describes the non-covenant, circumcised, children of Ishmael of twelve sons and from whom "nations" and "kings" came out of his seed from Abraham. Stars in the heaven and sand on the seashore was part of the blessings God gave to Abraham. His cup runneth over and splashed on Ishmael. They are included and identified as the "families of the earth" God's blessings passed onto these families "IN YOUR FLESH" that were born of Abraham.

It's NOT for all people, but for ALL HEBREW PEOPLE. Stay in context.

I'm posting God's actual Words. God didn't reject the servants of Abraham that were circumcised in their hearts just because they were not biological relatives of Abraham,

Nowhere in the passage does God refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles.

In God's Own Law, that you refuse to even address, HE said;

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Therefore, for the Faithful servants of God, anyone who "joins himself to the Lord", was considered a "Hebrew". But to the rebellious unfaithful Jews, they rejected God's Law in this matter.

I choose not to reject Him Law, you are choosing to convince others that they should reject God's Law.

This is why I replied to you post.

Isaiah lived in the 700s BC. That's nearly 1500 years from Abraham. God never made any kind of covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles because they were already alive and the descendants of Ham and Japheth. And there are families of Noah, Shem, and others not recorded in Scripture and they cannot be discounted. Adam was also alive at this time when Abe was alive. Adam and Eve not only had Cain, Abel, and Seth. This was when a population explosion occurred among the patriarchs that are not written in Scripture. Not even the genealogies of Jesus recorded in Matthew and Luke records ALL the descendants that lived and related to Jesus.

First, I never said "God judges' people by their DNA." God judges people based upon whether or not they are in covenant with Him. Ishmael and Esau are of Abraham's DNA but they are NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant, a covenant that was first among three in which God has a Chosen man and from that one man a Chosen people born from that man. Ishmael had a covenant/promises with God, but God declared that in Isaac shall thy name be. God later made covenant with Jacob's descendants through his twelve sons. Then God makes covenant with the descendants of these twelve sons of Jacob. Do we have an exact record of the children born who can claim Jacob as great-great-great Grandfather, etc. There were certain families that were born which leads to David, and from Dave to Jesus. God is the One who assigns inheritors of the Abraham promises/covenant. It went to Isaac, not Ishmael. It went to Jacob and NOT Esau. So, God does not judge by DNA because Ishmael and Esau at least are Abe's DNA but the covenant didn't go through their family lines. AND it was mixed-race Hebrews who were "without Christ" when Saul found them in his travels:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision "by that" which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Who called Faithful Gentiles "The uncircumcision"? Not God, I just posted God's Very Law where HE commands that these faithful Gentiles "To be unto the Jews", as homeborn Jews. But the Priesthood had been corrupted. God's very Own Word tells us these "Children of Disobedience" led people astray. As Stephen said, "As your fathers did, so do you".

Jesus exposed all these "Commandments of men" the Jews had taught for doctrines, for centuries, and nailed them to the cross.

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

I posted God's Own Words, many of which you refuse to even address, which teach us that there is not one person, in the history of the bible, who turned to God, but was deemed "By God" as " without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"

Not a Jew or Non-Jew in Abraham's Time, not in Moses Time, not in Isaiah's Time and not in Jesus' Time.
You need to stop promoting such foolishness. Or provide an example of a Non-Jew turning to God, but God rejected because they were not born a Jew.

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11–13.
Compare the above with what Peter said in Acts:

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:39.

They were "far off" because the rulers of the temple in Jerusalem were "Children of the Devil" who had rejected God's Commandments that they might promote their own religious traditions. They are Hypocrites who taught for doctrines the commandments of Men, not God.

Jesus tries to tell you this, but "many" just don't believe Him.

Luke 4: 25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

But according to the you and the Pharisees both these people were considered by God's Law as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"

It's right there in your own Bible.

See how Scripture compliments each other? Peter was speaking to the twelve tribes that were in Jerusalem that day both living, and visiting the Feast. Peter doesn't leave out the millions of Jews that lived and remained in Gentile lands that grew up as Gentiles having lost their connection to "the commonwealth" and "aliens and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." Millions of mixed-race Jews that were the seed of Abraham and could claim inheritance of his promises and the only way God could save "Gentiles" was through mixed-race offspring since He was the One that scattered His covenant people INTO Gentile lands. But it was TIME to call His people back to Himself and the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL was the One with the almighty power to such a thing.

7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame. Ezekiel 36:7.

But a "Heathen", since the time of Abraham, if he chose to repent and turn to God, to sojourn with His People, to keep the Passover of the Lord, to join themselves to the Lord, were no longer to be considered a "Heathen". You still consider them a heathen, the rebellious, stiffnecked Jews still consider them a heathen. But God, Elijah, Abraham, Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah and Jesus didn't. I posted the scriptures which teach this. Rejecting them doesn't bring truth to a man, but brings deception and ignorance. This tactic of "Omitting" the Scriptures that doesn't fit a certain religious philosophy is a popular one, the rebellious Jews did it all the time. But as anyone can see, God doesn't accept men who, when the knew God, didn't Glorify Him "AS GOD".

God emphasizes "among the heathen" to the point of assimilation that they grew up as heathen and ignorant about many of their customs. But God did not forget these people, His people. He sent the eleven disciples, Saul, maybe Apollos, and Aquila and Priscilla, a woman who taught men!

A non-Jew who turned to God, was not to be considered a Heathen. I'm not going to reject this undeniable Biblical Fact just to gain the praise of men.

Let's not sell God short. Finish the thought:

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Genesis 17:9–13.

Merely being circumcised does not mean the person is in covenant with God. Ishmael and Esau were circumcised but they weren't included in the covenant promises. And after all that cutting of the flesh as a sing of covenant God clearly says for those easily confused: "and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."

"IN YOUR FLESH/SEED." Meaning DNA.
The way you present it evidences you are not being honest with Scripture.

Ishamel and Esau and Abraham's other children with the new wifey after Sarah died lived in and around the Promised Land. That was part of the prophecy God made about Ishmael:

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. Genesis 16:11–12.

That clearly describes the non-covenant, circumcised, children of Ishmael of twelve sons and from whom "nations" and "kings" came out of his seed from Abraham. Stars in the heaven and sand on the seashore was part of the blessings God gave to Abraham. His cup runneth over and splashed on Ishmael. They are included and identified as the "families of the earth" God's blessings passed onto these families "IN YOUR FLESH" that were born of Abraham.

It's NOT for all people, but for ALL HEBREW PEOPLE. Stay in context. Nowhere in the passage does God refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles. Isaiah lived in the 700s BC. That's nearly 1500 years from Abraham. God never made any kind of covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles because they were already alive and the descendants of Ham and Japheth. And there are families of Noah, Shem, and others not recorded in Scripture and they cannot be discounted. Adam was also alive at this time when Abe was alive. Adam and Eve not only had Cain, Abel, and Seth. This was when a population explosion occurred among the patriarchs that are not written in Scripture. Not even the genealogies of Jesus recorded in Matthew and Luke records ALL the descendants that lived and related to Jesus.

First, I never said "God judges' people by their DNA." God judges people based upon whether or not they are in covenant with Him. Ishmael and Esau are of Abraham's DNA but they are NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant, a covenant that was first among three in which God has a Chosen man and from that one man a Chosen people born from that man. Ishmael had a covenant/promises with God, but God declared that in Isaac shall thy name be. God later made covenant with Jacob's descendants through his twelve sons. Then God makes covenant with the descendants of these twelve sons of Jacob. Do we have an exact record of the children born who can claim Jacob as great-great-great Grandfather, etc. There were certain families that were born which leads to David, and from Dave to Jesus. God is the One who assigns inheritors of the Abraham promises/covenant. It went to Isaac, not Ishmael. It went to Jacob and NOT Esau. So, God does not judge by DNA because Ishmael and Esau at least are Abe's DNA but the covenant didn't go through their family lines. AND it was mixed-race Hebrews who were "without Christ" when Saul found them in his travels:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11–13.

Compare the above with what Peter said in Acts:

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:39.

See how Scripture compliments each other? Peter was speaking to the twelve tribes that were in Jerusalem that day both living, and visiting the Feast. Peter doesn't leave out the millions of Jews that lived and remained in Gentile lands that grew up as Gentiles having lost their connection to "the commonwealth" and "aliens and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." Millions of mixed-race Jews that were the seed of Abraham and could claim inheritance of his promises and the only way God could save "Gentiles" was through mixed-race offspring since He was the One that scattered His covenant people INTO Gentile lands. But it was TIME to call His people back to Himself and the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL was the One with the almighty power to such a thing.

7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame. Ezekiel 36:7.

and

20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and fa new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. Ezekiel 36:20–28.

God emphasizes "among the heathen" to the point of assimilation that they grew up as heathen and ignorant about many of their customs. But God did not forget these people, His people. He sent the eleven disciples, Saul, maybe Apollos, and Aquila and Priscilla, a woman who taught men!

Now you accuse me without proof. I read the Scripture in context to God's Chosen people, and you, like a Gentile, apply looking at the Hebrew Scripture with a Gentile mindset.
I say again: There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named or mentioned as being included in the Abraham Covenant.

His servants, not of his seed, were to be treated the exact same way as his seed. It's right there in your own bible. All you need is to trust God, more than your adopted religion.

I say again: There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles named or mentioned as being included in the Mosaic Covenant.

Ex. 12: 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you "as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

A non-Hebrew Gentile, that "turns to God" and keeps His Commandments, is no longer to be considered a "non-Hebrew Gentile.

Ignoring this undeniable biblical Fact, doesn't make it disappear from Truth. It only makes it disappear in the hearts of men who reject it.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Nope. I hold to the singular "seed" as Saul brought out its significance, but Isaac was also a singular "seed" and not a twin. What Gentiles did in putting together letters and make it a Bible and elevated it with the Old Testament is missing authority of God to do so. The way the Bible of the New Testament came to be was as a defense of heresy in the church. I mean, look at Saul's personal letter to Timothy. How does that match up to Leviticus or Deuteronomy? It was a personal letter. It was never written with the expectation it would become canon and joined with the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. With the Old Testament we have God commanding His prophets to write certain things to Israel with the intention that it was to be consulted over and again and used as a basis of how one was to live their lives. I don't see how a personal letter - although containing personal studies and interpretations of the Old Testament by a rabbi and Pharisee named Saul who never entertained the idea that it would be made public and place in a book along with other letters by Jews to other Jews discussing and interpreting in rabbinical fashion the Old Testament writings and prophecies that required understanding, such as "bread of life" (Jesus Christ) referring to the Shewbread in the Tabernacle. And that's what these letters circulated around to others in other church locations of Saul, Peter, James, and John to name a few who did what we do when we sit down under the anointing and study the Old Testament. Now we have a "Bible" consisting of letters discussing the New Covenant as typed and shadowed in the Old Testament that is bound together with the Hebrew Scriptures which are written at the direction of God for a specific purpose. Letter, mind you. I can write a letter under the same anointing containing my understanding of the Old Testament - which is what I do - and it can become "Bible."
Imagine that. Maybe I should go through all my study notes like a MacArthur or a Hodge and Vos and publish my own Bible. I'm sure it will sell.

Not to me

 

[jeremiah1five]

The passage you're referencing doesn't name Isaac. It only names Jesus Christ.

The thing I'm trying to get over to you and the other hop-scotchers that take Saul's letter and jump back through the centuries to Jesus Christ. If Saul is using Genesis - and he is - the finding of "seed" meaning in the singular FIRST applies to Isaac. Abraham asked God for an heir (singular), not seed/twins (plural), but ONE HEIR. There is NO WAY Abraham in all his wisdom even considered the ONE seed (singular) to refer to "a Prophet like unto Moses" when not even Moses was alive to prophesy the thing. God's relationship with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) existed then and there, in Abram's day NOT 20 centuries or more in the future. APPLY the covenant promises to Abraham in the day he was living because there is NOTHING in this covenant that speaks about a Messiah or a King or a Suffering Servant (Isaiah) or a Conquering King (again Isaiah) or a lamb of God or a Savior (John.) Through study Saul made a connection between the ONE heir Abraham asked God for and the ONE heir of all things that is inherited of the Father by Jesus bar Joseph. Now that Saul came on board and through his study under the anointing, he saw a connection between what Abraham asked for and the ONE who would inherit all things three millennia later. Today's students read the thing and say, "Oh, the word "seed" is in the singular, and it refers to Christ." No, it doesn't. It refers to Isaac and the fact that he wasn't a twin like Cain and Abel or Jacob and Esau, in which case the word would be rendered in plural form.

Do you know that the bones of Isaac are still in his grave right? So much for life without Christ.

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. 1 Corinthians 6:13.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 1 Corinthians 12:15–17.

If the whole body were a grave of dead man's bones where is the life? It's out there in the ether somewhere near the constellation of pig's feet, next to the Mutari Nebula where Khan is making his final push against Kirk. Where is the life? Before the cross it is in the Garden of Eden. After the cross to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

I've dealt with people like you for a very long time. You always end up saying what you just said. I'm fine with dealing this strictly from an OT perspective. I've done it many times before.

Nah. You're too hung up on the letters and the gospels as though they are the be all of everything. It's not. Saul's letters to Timothy and Titus were not written to be placed in a book between Philippians and Peter. They were personal letters to individual people in Saul's contact list. Man, I am so glad we don't have the original letters by Saul of we'd form long lines and wait for a chance to view them through a glass partition. Many would bow to them while they chant "halle-halle, my sweet Lord."

So again, what heir is there that is dead?

None. They are all living.

Again, were did that RAM come from that that you said honored God in sacrifice?

The ram was Abraham's, It's the one out of ninety-nine that stayed in group and didn't get lost and end up on someone's barbeque.

You're making this up as you go. Some of this you got from me.

One thing I am is I am original. I do my own thinking, which according to some makes me a heretic. But I know that what I post isn't widely held. Not yet. But neither was the Doctrine of Trinity of God when someone came up with it while watching "World War Z" on Peacock.

So answer these OT questions and lets keep exposing your inabilities and racism.

God is racist. He is through and through racist. Worse than George Wallace or "Big Daddy" Bennett in "Django Unchained"
If He weren't He wouldn't call Abram and identify the family, he came from or instituted circumcision upon him while excluding all others and then make a covenant with this man and then later make such a racist comment like this one:

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 7:6.

Now we know where "white privilege" came from.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That holds true for Abraham, his children, and his servants, both Hebrew and non-Hebrew.
I'm posting God's actual Words. God didn't reject the servants of Abraham that were circumcised in their hearts just because they were not biological relatives of Abraham,

Excuse me. They were circumcised in their flesh.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:13–14.

"Circumcision of the heart" is a metaphor. It has nothing to do with the heart organ but is a reference to the life of a person, not the heart organ. God ordained in creation that if one has a heart, its function is only to pump blood through the body. It has to do with a biological function, not a spiritual function. The "heart" is metaphor for the whole being or life of a person. That's all.

In God's Own Law, that you refuse to even address, HE said;

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

"Stranger" refers to a tribal neighbor.

33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 19:33–34.

God is speaking to the Hebrew people. The Hebrews were held in bondage in Egypt by the Egyptians until Moses was sent with God's deliverance and the Hebrew people came out of Egypt 2-3 million people strong.
After the Tabernacle was built God situated the tribes around the Tabernacle three tribes to each side. Three million divided by 12 tribes equals around 250,000 people a tribe three times on each side of the Tabernacle, but the numbers varied. Benjamin was the smaller tribe and numbered less than the others.

To be "as one born among you" clearly identifies someone of another tribe. If someone of another tribe decides to "dwell with you" they are not to be rejected or hassled. The host tribe is commanded to love that person or persons as though they were born "of your tribe." The thing that helps interpret "stranger" is God's command to the twelve tribes on loving those of your tribe and those of another tribe. God never commanded the children of Israel to love anyone not Hebrew and not the seed of Abraham. Here is the original command of God to the twelve tribes on love:

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:17–18.

In both commands God says, "I am the LORD." By saying this God is adding significant notice to this command.
In verse 17 God identifies "brother" which means someone of the same tribe. Identifying "neighbor" refers to someone of another tribe situated living next to you.
Verse 18 God identifies "children of thy people" which refers to anyone of the twelve tribes living around the Tabernacle. God ends the command by referring again to one's neighbor living next to you.
This is the original command of God to the twelve tribes of Israel and in this command, there is no direction or instruction for the Hebrews to love anyone except their Hebrew brethren. If God provided command for the Hebrews to love non-Hebrew Gentiles He would say so here but He doesn't, and because He doesn't this helps identify "stranger" in verse 33 and 34 as being a Hebrew of another tribe.

Therefore, for the Faithful servants of God, anyone who "joins himself to the Lord", was considered a "Hebrew". But to the rebellious unfaithful Jews, they rejected God's Law in this matter.
I choose not to reject Him Law, you are choosing to convince others that they should reject God's Law.
This is why I replied to you post.

What? What the his-ell are you talking about? I never said to anyone here to reject God's Law. I contend against anyone who teaches the Law of Moses as abolished, obsolete, or ready to vanish away. And there are those here that believe this error.

Anyone who you say, "joins himself to the Lord" can be called "Hebrew" or anything else - choose your pronouns.
But it doesn't mean those that call themselves "Hebrew" are in covenant because the covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew, and Abram's Hebrew seed. And Hebrews who rebel against God does not disqualify themselves as heir of the Abraham promises. A promise is a promise and God does not lie.

Who called Faithful Gentiles "The uncircumcision"? Not God, I just posted God's Very Law where HE commands that these faithful Gentiles "To be unto the Jews", as homeborn Jews. But the Priesthood had been corrupted. God's very Own Word tells us these "Children of Disobedience" led people astray. As Stephen said, "As your fathers did, so do you".
Jesus exposed all these "Commandments of men" the Jews had taught for doctrines, for centuries, and nailed them to the cross.

I posted God's Own Words, many of which you refuse to even address, which teach us that there is not one person, in the history of the bible, who turned to God, but was deemed "By God" as " without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"

Not a Jew or Non-Jew in Abraham's Time, not in Moses Time, not in Isaiah's Time and not in Jesus' Time.
You need to stop promoting such foolishness. Or provide an example of a Non-Jew turning to God, but God rejected because they were not born a Jew.

"Turning to God" is irrelevant. If one is Hebrew and the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, they are in covenant with God and no matter their lives on this side of glory God made promise and God will keep all His promises. If one is of the seed of Jacob - and not Esau or Ishmael - they are in covenant with God. Period. Salvation is promised them under the Mosaic Covenant.

They were "far off" because the rulers of the temple in Jerusalem were "Children of the Devil" who had rejected God's Commandments that they might promote their own religious traditions. They are Hypocrites who taught for doctrines the commandments of Men, not God.

They were "far off" because God scattered His people into the four corners of the Gentile world.
Jesus and the Pharisees taught the same things. Jesus' issue with the religious leaders was that they elevated the traditions of the elders above the Holy Scripture. If they didn't do that they would be in good standing with Jesus and God.

Jesus tries to tell you this, but "many" just don't believe Him.

Luke 4: 25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

But according to the you and the Pharisees both these people were considered by God's Law as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"

It's right there in your own Bible.

The world - through their prejudice and blindness - are blessed because of the existence of Israel as a people. Those widows, and Naaman, and the lepers -unless Hebrew - received blessing from God but they are not Hebrew and Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promises.

But a "Heathen", since the time of Abraham, if he chose to repent and turn to God, to sojourn with His People, to keep the Passover of the Lord, to join themselves to the Lord, were no longer to be considered a "Heathen". You still consider them a heathen, the rebellious, stiffnecked Jews still consider them a heathen. But God, Elijah, Abraham, Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah and Jesus didn't. I posted the scriptures which teach this. Rejecting them doesn't bring truth to a man, but brings deception and ignorance. This tactic of "Omitting" the Scriptures that doesn't fit a certain religious philosophy is a popular one, the rebellious Jews did it all the time. But as anyone can see, God doesn't accept men who, when the knew God, didn't Glorify Him "AS GOD".

Bottom line. Abraham and his seed possess covenant promises of God. Non-Hebrew Gentiles do not nor can they ever possess any of God's covenant promises because they are NOT Abraham's seed through Isaac and through Jacob. You can go from there.

A non-Jew who turned to God, was not to be considered a Heathen. I'm not going to reject this undeniable Biblical Fact just to gain the praise of men.

Mental assent is one thing. Being in covenant is another and it the most important thing to be Hebrew and seed of Abraham.

His servants, not of his seed, were to be treated the exact same way as his seed. It's right there in your own bible. All you need is to trust God, more than your adopted religion.

Ex. 12: 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you "as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

A non-Hebrew Gentile, that "turns to God" and keeps His Commandments, is no longer to be considered a "non-Hebrew Gentile.

Ignoring this undeniable biblical Fact, doesn't make it disappear from Truth. It only makes it disappear in the hearts of men who reject it.

It's all about covenant. That's was places a person in salvation's way.
It's the biology of salvation. You gotta be a Hebrew from the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and you will be saved. Under the Law it's called "being kept." And the word is possessive. God keeps His own and discards the rest.

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

That's some cold truth there. Gentiles already hate God and hate Israel. If God said that too many times then that will give Gentiles more reason to hate the Jews.

 

[Rockerduck]

Close but there is more. Jesus associated Himself with the burning bush

Notice Jesus claiming he was never of this world. Never.

Jhn 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

but it got much better and larger when Jesus said...

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Speaking of His Eternal nature and the revelation given to Moses at the burning bush.

Our Savior is a consuming fire.

Remember there are 7 "I am's" in the book of John. Jehovah, aka Jesus, said "I am that I am". Translated I was, I am, I will be. John wrote in Revelation 4:8 Holy Holy, Holy, Holy the Lord God almighty. who was and are and evermore shall be.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Remember there are 7 "I am's" in the book of John. Jehovah, aka Jesus, said "I am that I am". Translated I was, I am, I will be. John wrote in Revelation 4:8 Holy Holy, Holy, Holy the Lord God almighty. who was and are and evermore shall be.

What it is, what it was, what it soon will be?

 

[Rockerduck]

What it is, what it was, what it soon will be?

Jesus was, and is, and shall ever be. Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus was, and is, and shall ever be. Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

You just unlocked the essence of prophecy!

 

[dwight92070]

In every generation, some Jews were saved, because in their hearts they were the "called out" ones. (the Ekklesia) They had faith in God, in their hearts and their spirits.

But a multitude of Jews in every generation were not saved. They were visibly part of the nation of Israel, but they were not in their hearts, ever God's people.

The same is true today.
Only the remnant of Israel has ever been saved. Romans 9:27

 

[jeremiah1five]

In every generation, some Jews were saved, because in their hearts they were the "called out" ones. (the Ekklesia) They had faith in God, in their hearts and their spirits.

Incorrect.
Around the year 2091 BC God made covenant with a man named Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and with his Hebrew seed (Gen. 17:7.) This covenant is called the Abrahamic Covenant.
This covenant included a prophecy direct from God that his descendants would go into service of another nation:

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Genesis 15:13–14.

This is recorded in Exodus. In the end God delivered the children of Abraham from their bondage through Moses. Going forward God led the Hebrew people through the desert finally landing at Mount Sinai, where God made a covenant with the Hebrew people called the Mosaic Covenant. This covenant included three parts, each addressing the Hebrews lives living before God. They are the Social Laws, the Moral Laws, and the Ceremonial Laws. The Ceremonial Laws included a sacrificial system that addressed providing the Hebrew people with temporary atonement through the sacrificing of animals to address their sin as individuals and as a nation. It is substitutional in nature. More information of these things are recorded in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. These people are called the "Great Congregation" living in the desert. They are the original Church of God for God "called them out" of Egypt.
Faith was not required in these two covenants. The covenant exists for the purpose of saving the Hebrew people and giving them eternal life. This was accomplished when God sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to die for this people. This covenant is not a reciprocal covenant. God created man and from this God chose to separate one family and save not only the head of the family (Abraham) but also his descendants/seed. Several Scriptures provides the basis:

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deuteronomy 7:5–9.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31–34.

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and fa new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel 36:21–28.

The Holy Spirit of Promise is promised to Israel:

27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the LORD your God, and none else:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
That I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids
In those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth,
Blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
Before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:
For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance,
As the LORD hath said,
And in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Joel 2:27–32.

Many interpret verse 28 "all flesh" as the whole world but this is incorrect. First, the context is Israel and the "all flesh" refers to all the Hebrew people. This is part of the covenant God made with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and his Hebrew seed. Second, the Hebrew people are the called of God for being called out of Egypt identifies these people as the Great Congregation and Church of God.
Third, the next two verses confirm this salvation of the Hebrew people for they are the only people who were under the Mosaic Covenant aka the Mosaic Law.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:25–27.

and

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:4–5.

But a multitude of Jews in every generation were not saved. They were visibly part of the nation of Israel, but they were not in their hearts, ever God's people.

The same is true today.
Only the remnant of Israel has ever been saved. Romans 9:27

ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED (Rom. 11:25-27.)

The "remnant" refers to a portion of the people that returned to Israel after being given permission by Cyrus the Great circa 522 BC. while the majority of the Hebrew people remained in Gentile land (Babylon.)
These people who remained in Gentile land are the target audience whom God sent the eleven disciples (Acts 1) and to whom later Saul went to visit the Jewish Churches that were founded by some of the Jewish Christians who after visiting Jerusalem for the Jewish Feast of Harvest (ca. AD 32) which is also called Pentecost.) This is the day the Holy Spirit of Promise arrived, and Jews began to be saved as promised by God (see Scripture above) in the covenants.

God is a God who keeps His promises and He has kept every promise made to Abraham and his seed and God will continue to keep the remaining promises He made to this people still yet future, such as the return of Israel's Messiah and King, the defeat of Israel's enemies, and the final redemption of the Hebrew people.

This is the gospel of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Remember there are 7 "I am's" in the book of John. Jehovah, aka Jesus, said "I am that I am". Translated I was, I am, I will be. John wrote in Revelation 4:8 Holy Holy, Holy, Holy the Lord God almighty. who was and are and evermore shall be.

So, you do understand what I said about your comment and prophecy?

 

[Rockerduck]

So, you do understand what I said about your comment and prophecy?

Yes.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Remember there are 7 "I am's" in the book of John. Jehovah, aka Jesus, said "I am that I am". Translated I was, I am, I will be. John wrote in Revelation 4:8 Holy Holy, Holy, Holy the Lord God almighty. who was and are and evermore shall be.

So you agree with that I said?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You just unlocked the essence of prophecy!

Then why do you dishonor Him? What you preach doesn't honor Him at all. You deny Him everywhere.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The thing I'm trying to get over to you and the other hop-scotchers that take Saul's letter and jump back through the centuries to Jesus Christ. If Saul is using Genesis - and he is - the finding of "seed" meaning in the singular FIRST applies to Isaac. Abraham asked God for an heir (singular), not seed/twins (plural), but ONE HEIR. There is NO WAY Abraham in all his wisdom even considered the ONE seed (singular) to refer to "a Prophet like unto Moses" when not even Moses was alive to prophesy the thing. God's relationship with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) existed then and there, in Abram's day NOT 20 centuries or more in the future. APPLY the covenant promises to Abraham in the day he was living because there is NOTHING in this covenant that speaks about a Messiah or a King or a Suffering Servant (Isaiah) or a Conquering King (again Isaiah) or a lamb of God or a Savior (John.) Through study Saul made a connection between the ONE heir Abraham asked God for and the ONE heir of all things that is inherited of the Father by Jesus bar Joseph. Now that Saul came on board and through his study under the anointing, he saw a connection between what Abraham asked for and the ONE who would inherit all things three millennia later. Today's students read the thing and say, "Oh, the word "seed" is in the singular, and it refers to Christ." No, it doesn't. It refers to Isaac and the fact that he wasn't a twin like Cain and Abel or Jacob and Esau, in which case the word would be rendered in plural form.

Isaac is dead. Where is Isaac? So much for an heir.....

If the whole body were a grave of dead man's bones where is the life? It's out there in the ether somewhere near the constellation of pig's feet, next to the Mutari Nebula where Khan is making his final push against Kirk. Where is the life? Before the cross it is in the Garden of Eden. After the cross to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Ah, so who is the first born of every creature? Isaac?

Nah. You're too hung up on the letters and the gospels as though they are the be all of everything. It's not. Saul's letters to Timothy and Titus were not written to be placed in a book between Philippians and Peter. They were personal letters to individual people in Saul's contact list. Man, I am so glad we don't have the original letters by Saul of we'd form long lines and wait for a chance to view them through a glass partition. Many would bow to them while they chant "halle-halle, my sweet Lord."

Personal letters shared among billions of people..... I get it. You're grasping at straws. Where are Timothy and Titus now and what gifts did they continue till YOU found your way upon God?

Preservation or seeds from an enemy? You have to make a choice at a very fundamental level.

None. They are all living.

What help is this "heir" to you?

The ram was Abraham's, It's the one out of ninety-nine that stayed in group and didn't get lost and end up on someone's barbeque.

Moses said "God Himself, will provide a lamb." So much for claiming to believe Moses.

Abraham didn't guide that lamb anywhere. God did. The Ram was caught in a thicket by "its horns"... How long do you think that RAM was caught there?

One thing I am is I am original. I do my own thinking, which according to some makes me a heretic. But I know that what I post isn't widely held. Not yet. But neither was the Doctrine of Trinity of God when someone came up with it while watching "World War Z" on Peacock.

You're not original at all. Your theology is largely the same theology taught in variant editions of the Talmud and notes from the "Rabbis" that Jesus rejected.

There are basically two narratives in the teaching of Judaism. One that fostered the remnant that embraced Messiah yet didn't understand the Eternal nature of Messiah. The other that sought to rule humanity without the heir, Jesus Christ. They sought to kill the heir, Jesus Christ and take that position for themselves.

So, you're not original at all. Just the same ole same ole. I give you a little credit for a vivid imagination.

God is racist. He is through and through racist. Worse than George Wallace or "Big Daddy" Bennett in "Django Unchained"
If He weren't He wouldn't call Abram and identify the family, he came from or instituted circumcision upon him while excluding all others and then make a covenant with this man and then later make such a racist comment like this one:

Racism didn't exist until God drove mankind away from one another at Babel. God has already judged this world once in the Great Flood. God isn't a racist at all. You're too far swept into your own ego.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 7:6.

There is no people of promises that are not Eternal. They all die. They've all died. Only One was the first gotten from the dead. The sole heir of Abraham. We are joint heirs with Christ or we are nothing.

Now we know where "white privilege" came from.

Ego. Self worth. Pride. Nonsense......