John 6 the context

[civic]

Then you not paying to much attention

You are not paying attention to what Jesus said and taught, only what calvin thinks. Its a form of being brainwashed and deceived into a false teaching.

Nope Jesus says those who listen and learn from the Father are the same ones that will be drawn to the Son and come to Him.

Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life.49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

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[The Rogue Tomato]

It's called expounding. God's Word must be expounded in such a way that it shows us our place in Christ.

You said that Jesus draws all men to him and that can mean many things. You came up with hate.

I like The idea of making a Free Will decision to believe in him.

I like the idea of God giving me a billion dollars and a long life to enjoy it. Too bad God never consulted me on what I like when it comes to what He does.

The right decision is to believe in him not all that come to him and hear the gospel do that. No one's adding to scripture just explaining scripture. That's just a dodge. That's a wise guy thing to do.

Remember and never forget...
The gospel invitation extends a call to salvation to everyone who hears its message. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

John 3:16 is not a Gospel invitation. It is telling you who will not perish but have everlasting life. That "whosoever believes" is more literally translated from the Greek as "the believing ones".

YLT: 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

 

[brightfame52]

There is not a reputable Greek scholar who states the word world means the elect

This only shows how unobjective you have become

It is the Elect or the Church

 

[civic]

It is the Elect or the Church

nope not in the passage you made that up just like tulip is made up.

 

[brightfame52]

nope not in the passage you made that up just like tulip is made up.

It is the Elect or the Church

 

[civic]

It is the Elect or the Church

nope you made that up.

 

[brightfame52]

nope you made that up.

It is the Elect or the Church

 

[civic]

It is the Elect or the Church

nope and you have no verse or passage that states the world means elect or church.

utter nonsense

horrible eisegesis

indoctrination

deception

false teaching

another gospel

a false christ

philosophies of man

having ones ears tickled

etc........................................

 

[TomL]

It is the Elect or the Church

Totally without Greek lexical support

 

[civic]

Totally without Greek lexical support

yep

 

[TomL]

yep

Totally lacking in objectivity

 

[Obadiah]

Then you not paying to much attention

In other words you're incapable of making your non-sensible statement any more clear.

 

[TomL]

In other words you're incapable of making your non-sensible statement any more clear.

Assertion of his/her position is all that originates from that poster

 

[brightfame52]

nope and you have no verse or passage that states the world means elect or church.

utter nonsense

horrible eisegesis

indoctrination

deception

false teaching

another gospel

a false christ

philosophies of man

having ones ears tickled

etc........................................

It is the Elect or the Church

 

[brightfame52]

Totally without Greek lexical support

It is the Elect or the Church

 

[brightfame52]

In other words you're incapable of making your non-sensible statement any more clear.

Then you not paying to much attention

 

[TomL]

It is the Elect or the Church

Only in your imagination

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

There is no way to make world = elect or the church here

 

[civic]

Only in your imagination

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

There is no way to make world = elect or the church here

The world of fantasy where dreams are not reality

 

[brightfame52]

Only in your imagination

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

There is no way to make world = elect or the church here

It is the Elect or the Church

 

[TomL]

It is the Elect or the Church

Only in your imagination

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

There is no way to make world = elect or the church here