Johann
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This is exactly why disagreements happen-I didn’t only post Clement. You’ve taken a portion of what I shared and focused on it, which leads to misunderstandings and arguments.
J.
Jesus taught Provisional Atonement
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civic
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unbelievers must believe to be saved is the point. and faith is never given to an unbeliever to become saved.
Are you aware they are fallible human beings with opinions as varied as ours??
Johann
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Where did I mention faith is granted to unbelievers?unbelievers must believe to be saved is the point. and faith is never given to an unbeliever to become saved.
J.
civic
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Do we agree right ?
Johann
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Johann
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civic
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Only given to those who are already saved
Johann
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civic
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Them we agree
civic
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Yep
Johann
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I study the Early Church Fathers, and what marvelous light they shed on controversies in Scripture, helping us work toward the unity of faith as described in Ephesians 4:13.
J.
No belief is not given to you
and you still practice deception
Correction to previous post
Repent of your deceptions
The fact that man is judged, applauded or upbraided because of their faith or the lack of it shows faith is not infused, installed, or transferred into - given
The fact men had to be hardened to prevent belief shows the same
John 12:40 (MEV) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.”
as does this
Luke 8:13 (MEV) — 13 Those on the rock are the ones who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root, for they believe for a while, then in the time of temptation fall away.
civic
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ditto
but he will not address them
MTMattie
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You can count me out at the moment so that will be one less disagreeing with you.
Johann
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No problem @MTMattie-There will always be disagreements, as Scripture acknowledges the differences in understanding among believers. However, I am going through a process of discernment, choosing to stick closer to those who hold to the truth, and giving permission for them to correct my errors in a spirit of accountability.
As Proverbs 27:17 says, "As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another." I don’t want to be part of a clique, but rather, I am committed to searching for truth, as Jesus prayed in John 17:17, "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth." My aim is to grow and be edified, aligning myself with those who help me stay grounded in God's word and grow in my faith.
J.
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MTMattie
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Not all disagreements lead one to doubt and rethink they very well might be headed to hell.
But that did happen this morning on another forum and it is time to just read and not reply.
Johann
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Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 (NIV)
1 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: 2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, 3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, 4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, 5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing, 6 a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, 7 a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, 8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.
She'yeh lecha yom mevorach b'Yeshua HaMashiach Rella.
J.
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