Jesus taught Provisional Atonement

It also means to give. You don't allow permission. LOL You give it.
Permission does not mean to give! Permission is something that is given, and the giving of it is an allowance to use or do something.

This forum gives us permission to state our perspective, thus, all are allowed to post their opinions regardless of their point of view.


Doug
 
If you must do something to recieve it. Obviously

You have the perspective that man does nothing in the salvation process; that God is the only actor in the play that has responsibility to act. Monergism says that man doesn’t have a role in the process, and that cooperation is not necessary or needed in the process.

Nobody says that God is not the sole source of dynamic power in the process, but rather that God has chosen that man has a responsibility within the process that is a prerequisite to him acting to save.

Peter’s admonition to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost is our mantra; when the crowd, after being “cut to the heart” by the Holy Spirit, asked Peter “What must we do to be saved?” Did Peter say, “Nothing!”?

No, he said, …“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” (Acts 2:38-39)

Doug
 
Permission does not mean to give! Permission is something that is given, and the giving of it is an allowance to use or do something.

This forum gives us permission to state our perspective, thus, all are allowed to post their opinions regardless of their point of view.


Doug
I didn't say permission means to give. Grant can and does.
 
You have the perspective that man does nothing in the salvation process; that God is the only actor in the play that has responsibility to act. Monergism says that man doesn’t have a role in the process, and that cooperation is not necessary or needed in the process.

Nobody says that God is not the sole source of dynamic power in the process, but rather that God has chosen that man has a responsibility within the process that is a prerequisite to him acting to save.

Peter’s admonition to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost is our mantra; when the crowd, after being “cut to the heart” by the Holy Spirit, asked Peter “What must we do to be saved?” Did Peter say, “Nothing!”?

No, he said, …“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” (Acts 2:38-39)

Doug


"you have the perspective that man does nothing in the salvation proces". Exactly. You do right? God does His part and you do yours?

Is that the difference between you and your unbelieving neighbor? You did something he did not do?

That is what you must do. But on your own you won't do. ",No man seeks after God", "No man can come to me unless.. Sheep dont look for a shepherd. Hence belief and faith are given by God.
 
"you have the perspective that man does nothing in the salvation proces". Exactly. You do right? God does His part and you do yours?

Is that the difference between you and your unbelieving neighbor? You did something he did not do?

That is what you must do. But on your own you won't do. ",No man seeks after God", "No man can come to me unless.. Sheep dont look for a shepherd. Hence belief and faith are given by God.
In the salvation process, Christians are not entirely passive. While God initiates salvation and empowers the believer to respond in faith and repentance, humans must respond to God's grace. The belief that "faith and belief are given by God" aligns with the scriptural understanding that even our ability to come to faith is a result of God's grace. Salvation is a cooperative process, but the key initiative comes from God, and human action is always in response to His initiating grace.

Therefore, the difference between you and your unbelieving neighbor, according to this view, is not that you did something that they did not do, but rather that God has granted you the grace to respond to Him, which your neighbor has not received yet. This understanding emphasizes the sovereignty of God in salvation, yet it does not negate the necessity of the human response to God's call.

J.
 
In the salvation process, Christians are not entirely passive. While God initiates salvation and empowers the believer to respond in faith and repentance, humans must respond to God's grace. The belief that "faith and belief are given by God" aligns with the scriptural understanding that even our ability to come to faith is a result of God's grace. Salvation is a cooperative process, but the key initiative comes from God, and human action is always in response to His initiating grace.

Therefore, the difference between you and your unbelieving neighbor, according to this view, is not that you did something that they did not do, but rather that God has granted you the grace to respond to Him, which your neighbor has not received yet. This understanding emphasizes the sovereignty of God in salvation, yet it does not negate the necessity of the human response to God's call.

J.
Yes it’s called synergism :). Provisional atonement is another term reflecting this truth. Its what Jesus and the Apostles taught.

John 3:14-18
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Above we see those who looked upon the brass serpent in the wilderness were healed/ saved. Moses provided a way for those bit by the poisonous snakes to be healed and not die by looking upon the brass serpent. Jesus compares Himself in the same way to be saved by His provision for their sins through His atonement to be received by faith. In both cases faith saved them in the OT wilderness as is the case with Jesus in the NT.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Yes it’s called synergism :)
Calvinism, in its emphasis on predestination and the limits it places on who can be saved, effectively closes the door to many who desperately need the Cross, the Messiah, His death and resurrection, the Holy Spirit, and a truly transformed life. It can also be draining to the believer, as it undermines the call to actively participate in God’s work of salvation, focusing instead on God's sovereignty to the exclusion of personal responsibility and the transformative power of the gospel in everyday life.

J.
 
Calvinism, in its emphasis on predestination and the limits it places on who can be saved, effectively closes the door to many who desperately need the Cross, the Messiah, His death and resurrection, the Holy Spirit, and a truly transformed life. It can also be draining to the believer, as it undermines the call to actively participate in God’s work of salvation, focusing instead on God's sovereignty to the exclusion of personal responsibility and the transformative power of the gospel in everyday life.

J.
ditto
 
In the salvation process, Christians are not entirely passive. While God initiates salvation and empowers the believer to respond in faith and repentance, humans must respond to God's grace. The belief that "faith and belief are given by God" aligns with the scriptural understanding that even our ability to come to faith is a result of God's grace. Salvation is a cooperative process, but the key initiative comes from God, and human action is always in response to His initiating grace.

Therefore, the difference between you and your unbelieving neighbor, according to this view, is not that you did something that they did not do, but rather that God has granted you the grace to respond to Him, which your neighbor has not received yet. This understanding emphasizes the sovereignty of God in salvation, yet it does not negate the necessity of the human response to God's call.

J.


He empowers them to respond? Interesting. How?
 
He empowers them to respond? Interesting. How?
You are not going to "throw" me @Presby02.


The Bible teaches that salvation is something that God offers to everyone, and individuals must respond to it.

1. Human Responsibility in Responding to the Gospel
While God provides the gospel and calls people to salvation, Scripture makes it clear that individuals must actively respond in faith.

John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
This highlights personal responsibility: whoever believes in Jesus Christ is promised eternal life.

Romans 10:9-10: “If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.”
Salvation comes through an active confession and belief, not through passive election.

Acts 17:30: “In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.”
God commands everyone to repent and respond to the call of salvation. This emphasizes human responsibility in salvation.

2. God's Invitation to All
God’s offer of salvation is extended to all people, and it is their choice whether to accept it.


Titus 2:11: “For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.”

Tit 2:11 For the Chen v'Chesed of Hashem has appeared, bringing Yeshu'at Eloheynu to kol Bnei Adam,

The offer of salvation is available to everyone. God's grace is not limited to only certain individuals.

Matthew 11:28: “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.”
Jesus invites all who are burdened to come to Him. It is an open invitation, not one limited to a predestined group.

3. The Role of the Holy Spirit in Conviction and Guidance

The Holy Spirit does play an active role in convicting people of their sin and guiding them towards truth, but He does not force anyone to come to Christ.

John 16:8: “When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment.”
The Holy Spirit convicts people of their sin, but it is up to them to respond to that conviction.

Revelation 22:17: “The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come!’ And let the one who hears say, ‘Come!’ Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.”
The Holy Spirit calls people to respond to the gospel, but it is ultimately their choice whether to come.

4. Faith is a Response
The Bible consistently shows that faith in Jesus Christ is the response required for salvation. It is not something we can earn, but it is something we must choose to accept.

Ephesians 2:8-9: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Salvation is through faith, and while it is a gift, it requires a personal response.

John 1:12: “Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.”
Receiving Jesus and believing in Him is an active choice and a necessary step in salvation.

Thanks.

J.
 
Did you write "I don't deny faith is a gift"?
Still trying to deceive

Correction to previous post

Salvation is the gift, not saving faith

But when will you learn

Romans 6:23 (LEB) — 23 For the compensation due sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Nowhere in the bible is saving faith said to be a gift

your third lie was that

I deny"you are saved by grace"
 
Still trying to deceive

Correction to previous post

Salvation is the gift, not saving faith

But when will you learn

Romans 6:23 (LEB) — 23 For the compensation due sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Nowhere in the bible is saving faith said to be a gift

your third lie was that

I deny"you are saved by grace"
yes salvation is the gift after one believes the gospel. :)
 
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