Jesus knows the hearts of all people which proves He is the proper recipient of prayer

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Fred

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Another poster has asserted that, "it is the Father God who knows all hearts and not Yahshua his Son."
https://berean-apologetics.communit...inity-is-wrong-theology.520/page-2#post-11340

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.
1 Kings 8:39 teaches that God "alone" knows the hearts of all people.
Since Jesus knows the hearts of all people demonstrates He is God. - See the NT passages below.


That the Lord Jesus knows the hearts of all people demonstrates that He is the proper recipient of prayer.
1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.


The Lord Jesus fully knows the hearts of all people.
John 2:24-25
(24) But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, for He knew all men,
(25) and because He did not need anyone to testify concerning man, for He Himself knew what was in man.

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men
The "Lord" refers to Jesus.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-trinity-made-easy.87/page-5#post-3506


1 Corinthians 4:5
wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts.

The coming of the Lord is in reference to Jesus.
1 Corinthians 11:26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.


Revelation 2:23
I am He who searches the minds and hearts.
Jeremiah 17:10
I, the LORD, search the heart,
I test the mind,
 

Jesus knows the hearts of all people which proves He is the proper recipient of prayer​

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Yet another back door attempt to rationalize violating the 1C. ‘The proper recipient of prayer’ is whoever may grant your request.

It is not exclusive to the almighty.
 
If I took the Unitarian approach in their ridiculous attempts to prove Jesus is not God, but only switched it and said I am going to prove Jesus is God and not a man I would argue like this:


Does Jesus see as God sees or does Jesus see as man sees?

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.

Since Jesus fully knows the hearts of all people then that proves Jesus sees as God sees and not as man sees so therefore Jesus can't be a man.



And despite all attempts to show me passages that teach Jesus is a man I simply regurgitate the above ad nauseum as if it proves my case.

That's the Unitarian approach in denying Jesus is God. They find proof that He is a man and somehow that will negate all the passages that prove He is God. What a disgusting approach to the Bible.


Truth be told. Jesus is God and man.
 
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Fred said:
1 Kings 8:39 uses the word "alone" so your false teaching once again bites the dust.
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1 COR 8:6 says God alone is the Father.

No alone in

1 Kings 8:39

English Standard Version

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39 then hear in heaven your dwelling place and forgive and act and render to each whose heart you know, according to all his ways (for you, you only, know the hearts of all the children of mankind),
 
Wrangler said:
1 COR 8:6 says God alone is the Father.
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There is no word "alone" in 1 Corinthians 8:6.
You are either telling a lie or you are really clueless.

I boldfaced and underlined the below for you.
You are very confused.


Wrangler said:
No alone in

1 Kings 8:39​

English Standard Version​

39 then hear in heaven your dwelling place and forgive and act and render to each whose heart you know, according to all his ways (for you, you only, know the hearts of all the children of mankind),
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Here's some more much needed help for you:
www.biblegateway.com

1 Kings 8:39 - Bible Gateway

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Fred said:
Another poster has asserted that, "it is the Father God who knows all hearts and not Yahshua his Son."
https://berean-apologetics.communit...inity-is-wrong-theology.520/page-2#post-11340

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.
1 Kings 8:39 teaches that God "alone" knows the hearts of all people.
Since Jesus knows the hearts of all people demonstrates He is God. - See the NT passages below.


That the Lord Jesus knows the hearts of all people demonstrates that He is the proper recipient of prayer.
1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.


The Lord Jesus fully knows the hearts of all people.
John 2:24-25
(24) But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, for He knew all men,
(25) and because He did not need anyone to testify concerning man, for He Himself knew what was in man.

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men
The "Lord" refers to Jesus.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-trinity-made-easy.87/page-5#post-3506


1 Corinthians 4:5
wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts.

The coming of the Lord is in reference to Jesus.
1 Corinthians 11:26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.


Revelation 2:23
I am He who searches the minds and hearts.
Jeremiah 17:10
I, the LORD, search the heart,
I test the mind,
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Jesus taught--YOU MUST pray then this way-Our Father. Why do you keep standing in opposition to what Jesus taught?
 
Keiw1 said:
Jesus taught--YOU MUST pray then this way-Our Father. Why do you keep standing in opposition to what Jesus taught?
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Matthew 6 does not contain ALL the instructions about prayer.

Where does it teach to pray in the name of Jesus?
 
Keiw1 said:
there isn't a single spot.
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Since you are a JW and became ensnared in the early 1960's you ought to be aware that they affirmed in 1959 what took place in Acts 7:59 (in reference to Jesus) constituted a prayer.

Acts 7:59
As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Watchtower: The prayer offered by Stephen when he was being martyred is recorded at Acts 7:59, 60 (Questions From Readers, February 1, 1959, page 96).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959086

It is common for Jehovah's Witnesses today to affirm that Stephen was experiencing a vision, so it really doesn't constitute him praying to the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Though some claim that prayer may properly be addressed to others, such as to God’s Son, the evidence is emphatically to the contrary. True, there are rare instances in which words are addressed to Jesus Christ in heaven. Stephen, when about to die, appealed to Jesus, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Ac 7:59) However, the context reveals a circumstance giving basis for this exceptional expression. Stephen at that very time had a vision of “Jesus standing at God’s right hand,” and evidently reacting as if he were in Jesus’ personal presence, he felt free to speak this plea to the one whom he recognized as the head of the Christian congregation. (Ac 7:55, 56; Col 1:18) (Prayer, volume 2, page 667-668)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003543

It is important to point out that the vision took place in the city, while the prayer took place after Stephen was cast outside of the city.
Acts 7:58-59
(58) After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul.
(59) As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal" "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Jehovah's Witnesses contradict themselves because they affirm what Isaiah experienced was a vision, but also say that he "prayed".
Insight on the Scriptures: Visions from God were also received by such Bible writers as Isaiah (1:1; 6:1-13), Amos (7:1-9, 12; 8:1, 2), and Ezekiel (1:1). (Vision, volume 2, January 1, 1988, page 1159)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004564

Awake!—1987: How I longed to make known this good news to the grief-stricken people of Cambodia! This good news would offer them an unfailing hope and a wonderful goal in life. Since it was not possible to return to that country, I did my best to publish the good news to Cambodians living in Austria. I prayed as Isaiah did, "Here I am! Send me." hoping that Jehovah would use me to help my fellow countrymen.—Isaiah 6:8. (Cambodia—Surviving a Nightmare, February 22, 1987, page 19)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101987125
 
Fred said:
Since you are a JW and became ensnared in the early 1960's you ought to be aware that they affirmed in 1959 what took place in Acts 7:59 (in reference to Jesus) constituted a prayer.

Acts 7:59
As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Watchtower: The prayer offered by Stephen when he was being martyred is recorded at Acts 7:59, 60 (Questions From Readers, February 1, 1959, page 96).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959086

It is common for Jehovah's Witnesses today to affirm that Stephen was experiencing a vision, so it really doesn't constitute him praying to the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Though some claim that prayer may properly be addressed to others, such as to God’s Son, the evidence is emphatically to the contrary. True, there are rare instances in which words are addressed to Jesus Christ in heaven. Stephen, when about to die, appealed to Jesus, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Ac 7:59) However, the context reveals a circumstance giving basis for this exceptional expression. Stephen at that very time had a vision of “Jesus standing at God’s right hand,” and evidently reacting as if he were in Jesus’ personal presence, he felt free to speak this plea to the one whom he recognized as the head of the Christian congregation. (Ac 7:55, 56; Col 1:18) (Prayer, volume 2, page 667-668)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003543

It is important to point out that the vision took place in the city, while the prayer took place after Stephen was cast outside of the city.
Acts 7:58-59
(58) After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul.
(59) As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal" "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Jehovah's Witnesses contradict themselves because they affirm what Isaiah experienced was a vision, but also say that he "prayed".
Insight on the Scriptures: Visions from God were also received by such Bible writers as Isaiah (1:1; 6:1-13), Amos (7:1-9, 12; 8:1, 2), and Ezekiel (1:1). (Vision, volume 2, January 1, 1988, page 1159)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004564

Awake!—1987: How I longed to make known this good news to the grief-stricken people of Cambodia! This good news would offer them an unfailing hope and a wonderful goal in life. Since it was not possible to return to that country, I did my best to publish the good news to Cambodians living in Austria. I prayed as Isaiah did, "Here I am! Send me." hoping that Jehovah would use me to help my fellow countrymen.—Isaiah 6:8. (Cambodia—Surviving a Nightmare, February 22, 1987, page 19)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101987125
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No spot says its a prayer to Jesus. Assuming NEVER makes a truth.
 
Keiw1 said:
They didn't affirm it as prayer.
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Step one: Open eyes.


Step two: Read (with understanding).
Acts 7:59
As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Watchtower: The prayer offered by Stephen when he was being martyred is recorded at Acts 7:59, 60 (Questions From Readers, February 1, 1959, page 96).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959086



Step three: Stop living in denial.
 

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