It is very relevant since the Word (Jesus) was worshiped before during and after His stay on Earth.
The Lord Jesus affirmed He is God by teaching He is the proper recipient of prayer
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Wrangler
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No. It is not relevant. Others were worshipped. Doesn’t mean they are Jesus’ God.
Why do you disregard what our lord says on the subject; pray to (only) the Father, only those who worship the Father worship in truth?
Which "others"? Do tell us about your Pantheon of gods.
Wrangler
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I’ve cited them already. Would you abandon you 3-in-1 god if I told you AGAIN? Sad that you cannot answer my question of why our lords words don’t matter to you. Very sad.
Let's see them. Are you ashamed to mention them here?
Wrangler
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No. I'm just not letting you invoke Appeal to Diversion fallacy here. Bottom line. It doesn't matter what our lord says about who to worship. You are going to worship whoever you want, based on whatever rational you want.
When I tell you to give this pic to our mom, it means give it to no one else, i.e., it means only give the pic to mom. You know this. Yet remain rebellious.
praise_yeshua
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Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
praise_yeshua
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When Jesus ACCEPTS..... the worship of others..... It makes a difference.
Wrangler
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Eisegesis. You are reading into the text significance of what Jesus did NOT do, while ignoring what he DID, which was to tell us to only pray to and worship the father.
To who does it make a difference to disobey our lord?
And again, others accepted worship. Does that make them God also?
You declare that "it doesn't matter what our lord says about who to worship." Wow! How can Jesus be your Lord when you say that "it doesn't matter what our lord says..."?!?
I asked you to only give me verses that contain the word "only" to make your case. Yet you remain rebellious.
Roman Emporers readilly accepted worship. Are you seriously putting Jesus on the same level as Roman Emporers? Seriously!?!
That is found in your confused thinking, but it is not found in the Bible.
The boldface above is mine.
praise_yeshua
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As Jesus ascended....
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
If you knew Him like they knew Him, you would worship Him too.
Don't go away, I see help in your future.
praise_yeshua
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Notice the response of Jesus.....
Mar 5:27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
Mar 5:28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
Mar 5:29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.
Mar 5:30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
Mar 5:31 And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
Mar 5:32 And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.
Mar 5:33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
"Daughter"....
Wrangler
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I am not rebelling against the lord's words, invoking a childish word game.
I made my case. Disregard what our lord tells us. If you think that is the smart play, more power to you.
Wrangler
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Are you seriously selectively applying your standard of what constitutes a deity? Seriously?!
I am only rebelling against your words. That is definitely a smart play on anyone's part.
Wrangler
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I am not the one who taught us to pray only to our Father in heaven. That Christs words mean nothing to you is evident.
That is your claim ("only to our Father in Heaven") with no support at all from scripture.
When the proclamation of the gospel in Acts 2 is compared with what the Lord Jesus affirmed earlier - which was recorded by the same author (Luke) at the end of his gospel - demonstrates Jesus affirmed He is the proper recipient of prayer in Luke 24:44-45.
Acts 2:14, 16, 21
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them...this is that which was spoken through the prophet Joel...that whosoever shall call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.
To "call on the Name of the Lord" (Acts 2:21) is an exact quotation from the Septuagint about calling on YHWH (Joel 3:5; 2:32 in our English Bibles).
Thus, Peter (recorded by Luke) applied praying to YHWH from this Old Testament text in reference to praying to Jesus as being YHWH in Acts 2:21.
See also post 1 in the link above.
Notice that prayer to the Lord Jesus in Acts 2:21 was taught by the Lord Jesus in Luke 24.
The Lord Jesus opened the minds of the apostles to understand the Scriptures (Luke 24:45), and included in this was the understanding of the prophet Joel in relation to Jesus (Luke 24:44).
Not only was Peter filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4) when he quoted from Joel 3:5 (LXX) in reference to Jesus in Acts 2:21, but the Lord Jesus had already opened his mind that enabled him to make this association. Thus, Jesus taught that He is the proper recipient of prayer (cf. Acts 2:21).
Luke 24:44-45
(44) And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning Me.
(45) Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.
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