Jesus denied being God

You should not alter texts of scripture

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Not to God as you claim but to Christ

using the nominative case with the article which replaces the vocative case (direct address)

28.] The Socinian view, that these words, ὁ κύρ. μου κ. ὁ θεός μου, are merely an exclamation, is refuted—(1) By the fact that no such exclamations were in use among the Jews. (2) By the εἶπεν αὐτῷ. (3) By the impossibility of referring ὁ κύριός μου to another than Jesus: see ver. 13. (4) By the N.T. usage of expressing the vocative by the nom. with an article. (5) By the utter psychological absurdity of such a supposition: that one just convinced of the presence of Him whom he deeply loved, should, instead of addressing Him, break out into an irrelevant cry. (6) By the further absurdity of supposing that if such were the case, the Apostle John, who of all the sacred writers most constantly keeps in mind the object for which he is writing, should have recorded any thing so beside that object. (7) By the intimate conjunction of πεπίστευκας—see below. Dismissing it therefore, we observe that this is the highest confession of faith which has yet been made;—and that it shews that (though not yet fully) the meaning of the previous confessions of His being ‘the Son of God’ was understood. Thus John, in the very close of his Gospel (see on vv. 30, 31) iterates the testimony with which he began it—to the Godhead of the Word who became flesh: and by this closing confession, shews how the testimony of Jesus to Himself had gradually deepened and exalted the Apostles’ conviction, from the time when they knew Him only as ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ Ἰωσήφ (ch. 1:46), till now when He is acknowledged as their LORD and their GOD.

Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 912.
This is quoted directly from the Bible. Once again, only the Father is called the Lord of heaven and earth in the Bible. This is Scripture. Jesus is never called that. It's actually just one of nearly two dozen names and titles that God and Jesus don't have in common. You should not add to scripture. Not a good look for you.
 
It is largely a parroting of those you find your peers. Lazy.....
You can make up stuff about me, but you can't deal with the Scripture I post and teach. It's not being lazy when you spend 6 months to do research day and night on your own to discover the truth about the Christ that is in my book in chapter 5... https://www.carb-fat.com/jesus.html

Mediator: One who intervenes between two parties. (24)

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,


A mediator is the third party through whom agreement is reached between two parties previously in conflict with each other. Christ is the mediator of the new covenant, the one whose action makes the covenant possible, and who is the guarantor of its execution. Christ Jesus is the one functioning as a go between, in order to initiate a relationship with us because he is literally connected to both sides, and therefore he is set between God and us. It's our big brother Christ Jesus, who is the one who is acting as a guarantee—to secure something that otherwise would not be obtained. Christ is the better covenant, the new covenant, guaranteeing its terms for the Christian people before the almighty God. Christ Jesus is producing peace for the salvation of his Church and has made a promise of assurance that the new covenant will perform satisfactorily because he is the one who is set between God and us.

Advocate: He who has been or may be called to help; a pleader who comes forward in favor of, and as the representative of another. (25)

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


Jesus Christ is the person who is professionally qualified legally to plead our case in the highest court. As a technical term, advocate was used mainly in the legal systems that was derived from the Roman law. Christ, and only Christ, has taken the position of an advocate for us with God, and therefore he must have some claim upon the divine benefaction and the legal right to stand with us and speak in our defense. What a wonderful day it will be in our community, in our lives, and in our hearts when we realize the breach of God’s laws have been completely paid for, and Jesus Christ is in the heavenly courtroom to plead our case. We who were dead in our sins, because we were without God and without hope for salvation, have been made alive by an attorney who paid the consequences for our shortcomings and has taken up residence at the right hand of the throne of God to defend us.

Intercessor: Is one who intercedes on behalf of another. (26)

Romans 8:34
It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Hebrews 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


The intercessor must have standing before God, just as defense attorneys must have standing before the court where they are pleading. Christ Jesus intercedes by placing his incorruptible life at the service of the Christian people to help in the form of a supporter. Christ has undertaken to see to it that this new covenant will not go unfulfilled since this function of the intercessor is related to the divine promise that is in the relation between God's sworn oath and us. Since God is one of the parties involved in the covenant and since there is no higher court that God could represent His covenant in relation to us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for God’s oath to the new covenant. Since we are the other party involved in the covenant and since God has made His Son our brother and Lord, by way of the spirit of Christ within us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for us in the relationship of this new covenant.
 
Are you still using that debunked claim. I told you previously the vocative case was replaced by the nominative case with an article



THE VOCATIVE CASE

There is a fifth case that really has no sentence slot to live in. Maybe it isn’t a true case. But it does seem to have a discrete ending sometimes. It did not show up on the article chart because this case has no article.
It is the way you spell someone (or something) when you are talking directly to him (it):

πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς (Father, forgive them.)




Here, “Father” is written in the Vocative case.
New Testament Vocatives are rare and those with discrete endings differing from the Nominative endings are extremely rare.


Edward W. Goodrick, Do It Yourself Hebrew and Greek: A Guide to Biblical Language Tools (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1980), x.

also

Direct address
The vocative case in Greek is used for direct address123. It is used when addressing someone directly, calling out to an individual by name, or welcoming or referring to them by name3. The vocative case is usually identical to the nominative case in form3. It is sometimes accompanied by the particle "o" to add emphasis or emotion3. Each declension has its own vocative form4.

My Lord and my God (ὁ κυριος μου και ὁ θεος μου [Ho kurios mou kai ho theos mou]). Not exclamation, but address, the vocative case though the form of the nominative, a very common thing in the Koiné. Thomas was wholly convinced and did not hesitate to address the Risen Christ as Lord and God. And Jesus accepts the words and praises Thomas for so doing.

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 20:28.

28.] The Socinian view, that these words, ὁ κύρ. μου κ. ὁ θεός μου, are merely an exclamation, is refuted—(1) By the fact that no such exclamations were in use among the Jews. (2) By the εἶπεν αὐτῷ. (3) By the impossibility of referring ὁ κύριός μου to another than Jesus: see ver. 13. (4) By the N.T. usage of expressing the vocative by the nom. with an article. (5) By the utter psychological absurdity of such a supposition: that one just convinced of the presence of Him whom he deeply loved, should, instead of addressing Him, break out into an irrelevant cry. (6) By the further absurdity of supposing that if such were the case, the Apostle John, who of all the sacred writers most constantly keeps in mind the object for which he is writing, should have recorded any thing so beside that object. (7) By the intimate conjunction of πεπίστευκας—see below. Dismissing it therefore, we observe that this is the highest confession of faith which has yet been made;—and that it shews that (though not yet fully) the meaning of the previous confessions of His being ‘the Son of God’ was understood. Thus John, in the very close of his Gospel (see on vv. 30, 31) iterates the testimony with which he began it—to the Godhead of the Word who became flesh: and by this closing confession, shews how the testimony of Jesus to Himself had gradually deepened and exalted the Apostles’ conviction, from the time when they knew Him only as ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ Ἰωσήφ (ch. 1:46), till now when He is acknowledged as their LORD and their GOD.

Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 912.

maybe you should avoid making arguments about things of which you have no knowledge

In Concessions of Trinitarians, Michaelis, a Trinitarian, writes:

I do not affirm that Thomas passed all at once from the extreme of doubt to the highest degree of faith, and acknowledged Christ to be the true God. This appears to me too much for the then existing knowledge of the disciples; and we have no intimation that they recognized the divine nature of Christ before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I am therefore inclined to understand this expression, which broke out in the height of his astonishment, in a figurative sense, denoting only “whom I shall ever reverence in the highest degree”…Or a person raised from the dead might be regarded as a divinity; for the word God is not always used in the strict doctrinal sense” [Michaelis is quoted by Dana, ref. below].​
Some misc commentaries:

In The New International Commentary on the New Testament: The Gospel of John by Gary M. Burge.​
Burge said that Thomas's statement can be seen as an expression of awe and worship rather than a doctrinal assertion about Jesus' divine nature.​
There's The Expositor's Bible Commentary which says that Thomas's exclamation may reflect a moment of realization rather than a formal theological declaration, with emphasis on the relational aspect of his response.​
There's John's Gospel: A Theological Commentary by John D. Barry. Barry discusses various interpretations, suggesting that Thomas’s proclamation may serve as a recognition of Jesus's authority rather than a straightforward identification of him as God.​
The Bible Knowledge Commentary by John F. Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck. This work interprets Thomas's words in the context of Jewish thought, arguing that it can be understood as a statement of loyalty or devotion.​

When will you be a believer? There is an entire community of scholars, experts, and theologians who have debunked you. Your theological ship is sinking.
 
this is already known.... Matthew 27:50 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost." Matthew 27:51 "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;" Matthew 27:52 "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose," Matthew 27:53 "And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

101G stated even in Christ, you don't own NOTHING, you're bought with a price.

look LEARN. ok.

101G.
I own this

Paul says in Ephesians 1:3, “We are blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ.” All these wonderful precious realities came us GODS GIFTS AN wrapped in his beloved Son. There is nothing we ever did and can ever do to earn any of these things. All of these glorious spiritual realities were purchased by Jesus on the cross. And He gives them to us.

Gifts from God for His children. Here are just a few.

Gifts from Romans 5:

1. Justified by faith
(v. 1) We have a right standing with God because we have been declared righteous before Him. This is a legal verdict, and it includes: pardon from the guilt and penalty of sin; imputation of our sin to Christ’s account; our sins no longer counted against us; Christ’s righteousness credited to our account; and God declaring us “righteous,” solely on the merits of Christ’s righteousness.

2. Peace with God (v. 1) We are no longer God’s enemy. “God has declared Himself to be at war with every human being because of man’s sinful rebellion against Him and His laws. But the first great result of justification is that the sinner’s war with God is ended forever.” (John McArthur)

3. Access to the Father (v. 2) The access that was unthinkable in the Old Testament is now made possible through Jesus Christ.

4. Stand before God in grace (v. 2) In God’s saving grace, we enjoy a permanent, secure position. We also have sanctifying grace, sustaining grace, enabling grace, and suffering grace. Our position is not based in our own performance, but in God’s.

5. Hope of the glory of God (v. 2) “Hope” does not speak of uncertainty, but of something that is certain, but not yet realized. Our ultimate destiny is to share in the glory of God.

6. Suffering and tribulation (v. 3) Trials are the “pressure” that, like a “juicer,” produces the sweet “juice” of perseverance, endurance, character, and hope. This gift comes especially as a result of our relationship with Christ or because we choose to do right.

7. Love of God (v. 5) is lavished on us, overflowing in us. Understanding His great love for us will result in overflowing love for Him.

8. The precious Holy Spirit (v. 5) He lives in us: “God has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come” (2 Cor. 5:5). The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, comforts us, makes Christ known to us, teaches us the truth, and guides us.

9. Saved from God’s wrath (v. 9) Christ bore the full fury of God’s wrath against us and our sin.

10. Reconciled to God (vv. 10-11) Formerly separated and alienated from God, we are now brought to a state of right relationship with Him.

Gifts from Ephesians 1:1-8

11. Adopted into God’s family
(v. 4) God is our Father. We are children of God with a new nature, in a new family relationship. We bear God’s likeness.

12. Redemption through His blood (v. 7) This is a word picture from the ancient slave markets. A redeemer paid the necessary ransom to purchase the prisoner or slave’s release from bondage. We can sing, “Redeemed, how I love to proclaim it, Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb; Redeemed through His infinite mercy, His child, and forever, I am.”

13. Forgiveness of sins (v. 7) In the words of another song: “My sin–oh, the bliss of this glorious thought–my sin, not in part, but the whole, is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord, O my soul.” Forgiveness leads to joy: “Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.” (Ps. 32:1) Because of the blood of Jesus, God is faithful to forgive our sins–past, present, and future (1 John 1:9).

14. Purpose for living (vv. 12, 14) We exist “for the praise of His glory.”

Gifts revealed in other scriptures:

15. The righteousness of Christ
(2 Cor. 5:21) Christ’s righteousness comes in exchange for our sinfulness.

16. Christ in you (Col. 1:27; Gal. 2:20) He is our “hope of glory,” and the perspective of our lives is “no longer I, but Christ.”

17. Life (1 John 5:11-13) We have eternal life, which speaks of its quantity (length), and we have abundant life, which speaks of its quality. We are spiritually alive because we are in relationship with Jesus, partaking of His life.

18. Mercy (Ps. 103:10-11) God does not treat us as our sins deserve, or repay us according to our iniquities. We will experience His unmerited mercy throughout our entire life.

19. The peace of God (Phil. 4:6-7) God’s peace, which comes as a result of prayer, stands guard in our hearts and minds.

20. Joy (Ps. 16:11; 1 Peter 1:3-9; 4:13,14) In God’s presence, there is “fullness of joy.” Far more than earthly happiness, we receive “exceeding joy,” a joy not based on circumstances. There is even joy as we endure trials of our faith, partaking in Christ’s sufferings and reproach.

21. Victory over sin (Romans 6:6-23) We are “freed” from the power of sin. When we reckon ourselves to be “dead” unto sin (crucified with Christ), and yield our bodies to God as instruments of righteousness, we are no longer under the dominion of our flesh.

22. The Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-27; Romans 12:5) We instantly have countless “brothers and sisters” in the family of God and are “members one of another.”

23. Spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12:4-7; 1 Peter 4:10; Rom. 12:6-8; Eph. 4:7, 11-16) Every believer has one or more spiritual gifts-which are to be used to glorify God and edify the Body of Christ.

24. Future glory (Rom 8:17-18) As heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ, we will be glorified in heaven.

25. Two great intercessors (Heb. 7:25; Rom. 8:34; Rom. 8:26) Jesus intercedes for us in heaven, and the Holy Spirit intercedes within us.

26. The power of God (Eph. 1:18-20) We begin to understand how God uses His exceedingly great and mighty power on our behalf.

27. Prayer (Heb. 4:16; Phil. 4:6) We are encouraged to “come boldly unto the throne of grace” and to let our “requests be made known unto God.” Remember: “Oh, what peace we often forfeit… when we do not carry everything to God in prayer.”

28. Wisdom (Prov. 2:6; James 1:5) Man may have knowledge, but true wisdom comes from God. He enables us to see from His perspective. Want more wisdom? “Ask of God.”

29. A home in heaven (John 14:2-3) Christ is preparing a place for us in our Father’s house.

30. Freedom from fear (Ps. 23:4) God’s presence makes all the difference in the world. Because God was with Him, the Psalmist said, “I will fear no evil.”

31. No condemnation (Rom. 8:1) While the Law condemns, there is no condemnation in Christ, our Deliverer.

32. An advocate (1 John 2:1; Rev. 12:10) We have a defense attorney in heaven: “If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous.” Jesus defends us against the prosecution, Satan, who accuses believers day and night.

33. Future rewards (1 Cor. 3:11-15; 2 Cor. 5:10) Rewards will be given for faithfulness and for service.

34. The presence of God (Matt. 28:20; Heb.13:5b)-His loving presence is continuous: “I am with you always.” The changeless Christ will never leave or forsake His own.

35. The Word of God (Ps. 119:105; John 17:17; John 15:3) Not only is the precious Word a light to illumine our path, it also sanctifies and cleanses us.

36. Provision (Ps. 37:25) The Psalmist said, “I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.” God’s provision is expressed in a powerful church hymn, “Great Is Thy Faithfulness”–“All I have needed, Thy hand hath provided.”

37. Guidance (Psalm 23:3) David said, “He leads me in paths of righteousness . . .” All we have to do is follow and obey.

38. Protection against the enemy (Ps. 121:1-8; Eph. 6:10-17) God, who never sleeps and is always watching over us, gives us His armor for protection, and His presence preserves us from evil “evermore.” God gives us victory over Satan.

39. All spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:3) “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.”

40. He restores my soul (Ps. 23:2-3) “He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul.”

41. A future inheritance (1 Peter 1:3-4; Eph. 1:13; Rom. 8:17; 1 Cor. 3:21-23) Christians will receive “an inheritance that is imperishable” and “kept in heaven.”

42. Kept by God (Ps. 121:5-8; 1 Peter 1:5; Jude 24) God’s power will keep us from all evil.

43. Life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3) God’s power gives us “all things pertaining to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him.”

44. Great promises (2 Peter 1:4) God has “granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of this divine nature.”

45. Call to ministry (Gal. 1:15; Eph. 3:7-8; 1 Tim. 1:12) “He who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace.”
 
You can make up stuff about me, but you can't deal with the Scripture I post and teach. It's not being lazy when you spend 6 months to do research day and night on your own to discover the truth about the Christ that is in my book in chapter 5... https://www.carb-fat.com/jesus.html

Mediator: One who intervenes between two parties. (24)


1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,


A mediator is the third party through whom agreement is reached between two parties previously in conflict with each other. Christ is the mediator of the new covenant, the one whose action makes the covenant possible, and who is the guarantor of its execution. Christ Jesus is the one functioning as a go between, in order to initiate a relationship with us because he is literally connected to both sides, and therefore he is set between God and us. It's our big brother Christ Jesus, who is the one who is acting as a guarantee—to secure something that otherwise would not be obtained. Christ is the better covenant, the new covenant, guaranteeing its terms for the Christian people before the almighty God. Christ Jesus is producing peace for the salvation of his Church and has made a promise of assurance that the new covenant will perform satisfactorily because he is the one who is set between God and us.

Advocate: He who has been or may be called to help; a pleader who comes forward in favor of, and as the representative of another. (25)


1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


Jesus Christ is the person who is professionally qualified legally to plead our case in the highest court. As a technical term, advocate was used mainly in the legal systems that was derived from the Roman law. Christ, and only Christ, has taken the position of an advocate for us with God, and therefore he must have some claim upon the divine benefaction and the legal right to stand with us and speak in our defense. What a wonderful day it will be in our community, in our lives, and in our hearts when we realize the breach of God’s laws have been completely paid for, and Jesus Christ is in the heavenly courtroom to plead our case. We who were dead in our sins, because we were without God and without hope for salvation, have been made alive by an attorney who paid the consequences for our shortcomings and has taken up residence at the right hand of the throne of God to defend us.

Intercessor: Is one who intercedes on behalf of another. (26)


Romans 8:34
It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Hebrews 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


The intercessor must have standing before God, just as defense attorneys must have standing before the court where they are pleading. Christ Jesus intercedes by placing his incorruptible life at the service of the Christian people to help in the form of a supporter. Christ has undertaken to see to it that this new covenant will not go unfulfilled since this function of the intercessor is related to the divine promise that is in the relation between God's sworn oath and us. Since God is one of the parties involved in the covenant and since there is no higher court that God could represent His covenant in relation to us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for God’s oath to the new covenant. Since we are the other party involved in the covenant and since God has made His Son our brother and Lord, by way of the spirit of Christ within us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for us in the relationship of this new covenant.
I find it a genuine marvel that Trinitarians don't believe even when decades after Jesus was taken to heaven, that Paul kept on calling Jesus a man between God and men. For the readers, let that sink in. Paul, a man, referred to Jesus as a man between God and men, even after he was taken to heaven.

It says Jesus is a man between God and men. In other words, based on the Trinitarian concept of Jesus, 1 Tim. 2:5 says Jesus is a man between the Trinity and men! Wow. I think my new favorite exercise is writing the Trinity into the Bible and showing everyone how Trinitarianism refutes itself. Turns out that the strongest argument against the Trinity is the Trinity.

Someone here said something to me that made me realize we can't reach Trins using Scripture because they aren't using Scripture. That's the mistake we always make, counterintuitively. The words of the Bible can be manipulated by a skillful theologian or lawyer to say or suggest anything. They always find a way out of the truth with a different version, commentary, theologian, etc.

I believe we need to experiment more with demonstration of how the Trinity isn't Scriptural when the Trinity is actually written into the Bible.
 

In Concessions of Trinitarians, Michaelis, a Trinitarian, writes:

I do not affirm that Thomas passed all at once from the extreme of doubt to the highest degree of faith, and acknowledged Christ to be the true God. This appears to me too much for the then existing knowledge of the disciples; and we have no intimation that they recognized the divine nature of Christ before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I am therefore inclined to understand this expression, which broke out in the height of his astonishment, in a figurative sense, denoting only “whom I shall ever reverence in the highest degree”…Or a person raised from the dead might be regarded as a divinity; for the word God is not always used in the strict doctrinal sense” [Michaelis is quoted by Dana, ref. below].​
Some misc commentaries:

In The New International Commentary on the New Testament: The Gospel of John by Gary M. Burge.​
Burge said that Thomas's statement can be seen as an expression of awe and worship rather than a doctrinal assertion about Jesus' divine nature.​
There's The Expositor's Bible Commentary which says that Thomas's exclamation may reflect a moment of realization rather than a formal theological declaration, with emphasis on the relational aspect of his response.​
There's John's Gospel: A Theological Commentary by John D. Barry. Barry discusses various interpretations, suggesting that Thomas’s proclamation may serve as a recognition of Jesus's authority rather than a straightforward identification of him as God.​
The Bible Knowledge Commentary by John F. Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck. This work interprets Thomas's words in the context of Jewish thought, arguing that it can be understood as a statement of loyalty or devotion.​

When will you be a believer? There is an entire community of scholars, experts, and theologians who have debunked you. Your theological ship is sinking.
First you ignored the Greek experts which addressed your argument concerning the vocative case showing it was bogus

second it is an outright lie that There is an entire community of scholars, experts, and theologians who have debunked me

Verse 28. Thomas answered, &c.] Those who deny the Godhead of Christ would have us to believe that these words are an exclamation of Thomas, made through surprise, and that they were addressed to the Father and not to Christ. Theodore of Mopsuestia was the first, I believe, who gave the words this turn; and the fifth Œcumenic council, held at Constantinople, anathematized him for it. This was not according to the spirit of the Gospel of God. However, a man must do violence to every rule of construction who can apply the address here to any but Christ. The text is plain: Jesus comes in—sees Thomas, and addresses him; desiring him to come to him, and put his finger into the print of the nails, &c. Thomas, perfectly satisfied of the reality of our Lord’s resurrection, says unto him,—MY LORD! and MY GOD! i

Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 5, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 659.

My Lord and my God. In this passage the name God is expressly given to Christ, in his own presence and by one of his own apostles. This declaration has been considered as a clear proof of the divinity of Christ, for the following reasons: 1st. There is no evidence that this was a mere expression, as some have supposed, of surprise or astonishment. 2d. The language was addressed to Jesus himself—“Thomas—said UNTO HIM.” 3d. The Saviour did not reprove him or check him as using any improper language. If he had not been divine, it is impossible to reconcile it with his honesty that he did not rebuke the disciple. No pious man would have allowed such language to be addressed to him

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 379.

My Lord and my God (ὁ κυριος μου και ὁ θεος μου [Ho kurios mou kai ho theos mou]). Not exclamation, but address, the vocative case though the form of the nominative, a very common thing in the Koiné. Thomas was wholly convinced and did not hesitate to address the Risen Christ as Lord and God. And Jesus accepts the words and praises Thomas for so doing.

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 20:28.

Thomas’s cry, “My Lord and my God!” is an exclamatory address, an exclamation specifically directed to Jesus, as its subject and recipient (note αὐτῷ). That the cry was not an extravagant acclamation, spoken in a moment of spiritual exaltation when his exuberance exceeded his theological sense, is apparent from two facts.

1. The evangelist records no rebuke of Jesus to Thomas for his worship (cf. 5:18; Acts 14:8–18; Rev 19:9–10; 21:8–9). Thomas was not guilty of worshiping the creature over the Creator (cf. Rom 1:25). Indeed, Jesus’ word to Thomas—“You have believed” (v. 29a)—implies the acceptance of his confession, which is then indirectly commended to others (v. 29b).
2. John has endorsed Thomas’s confession by making it his final and climactic Christological affirmation

Murray J. Harris, John (Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; B&H Academic, 2015), 333–334.

Thomas’ response, My Lord and My God! is the high point of the Gospel. Here was a skeptical man, confronted by the evidence of Jesus’ resurrection. He announced that Jesus, the Man of Galilee, is God manifest in the flesh

Edwin A. Blum, “John,” in The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures (ed. J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck; vol. 2; Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1985), 2343–344.

note this is the BKC it does not support you

Thomas’s confession of Jesus as my Lord and my God is yet another climax in this Gospel. Jesus has invited him to catch up with the others in their new stage of faith, and he shoots past them and heads to the top of the class. His confession is climactic not only as part of the Gospel’s story line, but also as an expression of the core of John’s witness to Jesus in this Gospel. Thomas confesses Jesus as God when he sees that the crucified one is alive

Rodney A. Whitacre, John (vol. 4; The IVP New Testament Commentary Series; Westmont, IL: IVP Academic, 1999), 485.

My Lord and my God] The climax of the gospel. The unbelief of Thomas passes into faith in Christ’s true Deity. Observe that Jesus accepts and approves the confession of Thomas

J. R. Dummelow, ed., A Commentary on the Holy Bible (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1936), 810.

Thomas rises to the challenge and responds by uttering one of the great confessions of history, “My Lord and my God” (v. 28). These words have become the fitting climax and theological core of the Fourth Gospel. While some have tried to turn Thomas’s words into a mere part of the developing understanding of the disciples, they are so much more. With 1:1 (“The Word was God”) this Gospel is framed by statements of Jesus’ deity. It is an astounding leap of faith and understanding, as Thomas had spent the last seven days doubting Jesus’ resurrection and now all of a sudden affirms that he is the one and only God

Grant R. Osborne, John: Verse by Verse (ed. Jeffrey Reimer et al.; Osborne New Testament Commentaries; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2018), 470.

John 20:24–29 (KJV 1900) — 24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Thomas’ utterance cannot possibly be taken as shocked profanity addressed to God (if to anyone), a kind of blasphemous version of a stunned ‘My word!’ Despite its popularity with some modern Arians, such profanity would not have been found in first-century Palestine on the lips of a devout Jew. In any case, Thomas’ confession is addressed to him, i.e. to Jesus; and Jesus immediately (if implicitly) praises him for his faith, even if it is not as notable as the faith of those who believe without demanding the kind of evidence accorded Thomas. Nor are Thomas’ words most easily read as a predicative statement addressed to Jesus: ‘My Lord is also my God.’ The overwhelming majority of grammarians rightly take the utterance as vocative address to Jesus: My Lord and my God!—the nouns being put not in the vocative case but in the nominative (as sometimes happens in vocatival address) to add a certain sonorous weight.

D. A. Carson, The Gospel according to John (The Pillar New Testament Commentary; Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, MI: Inter-Varsity Press; W.B. Eerdmans, 1991), 658–659.

Ver. 28. My Lord and my God! [ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου! An address of Thomas to Christ (the nom. with the art. for the vocative, as often in the New Testament; compare Christ’s address to His Father, Mark 15:34: ὁ θεός μου, ὁ θεός μου. The highest apostolic confession of faith in the Lordship and Divinity of Christ,—an echo of the beginning of this Gospel: “The Word was God,” 1:1, and an anticipation of its close, 20:30, 31. Thomas, says Augustine, behold and touched Christ as Man, and confessed Him to be God, whom he did not see nor touch

John Peter Lange and Philip Schaff, A Commentary on the Holy Scriptures: John (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2008), 622.

Thomas’s response forms the high point of confession in the Gospel. What it does is bring the Gospel full circle from the Prologue, where it is emphatically said that the “Word was God” (1:1) to this confession, “My Lord and my God.” In the process of writing this Gospel the evangelist has proclaimed that Jesus was active in creation (1:2), the Word who became incarnate/enfleshed (1:14), the sin-bearing Lamb of God (1:29, 36), the Messiah (1:41; 4:25–26), the Son of God (1:48), the King of Israel (1:48), the new Temple (2:19–21), a teacher sent from God (3:2), a new symbol of God’s power exhibited through Moses (3:14), the evidence of the love of God (3:16), the Savior of the World (4:42), equal with God (5:18), the authority in judgment (5:27), the agent of God (5:30), the fulfillment of Scripture (5:39), the expected prophet (6:14), the “I am” (6:35, etc.), the supplier of living water (7:38), the one who was from God (9:31–33), the Son of Man (9:35), the consecrated/Holy one (10:36), the lifted up one (4:14; 12:32–34), the glorified one (13:31), the preparer of his followers’ destiny (14:2), the nonabandoning one (14:18), the one in whom we must abide and who is the basis for the fruitfulness of his followers (15:5–7), the sender of the Paraclete (15:26), the bearer of truth (18:37), the crucified King (19:15), the risen Lord (20:20) and God (20:26). The list can be expanded greatly, but the point is that when this list is compared to the designations of Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels, the other presentations of Jesus pale in significance before these magnificent confessions about him in John. In the years of contemplating the significance of Jesus, the Johannine evangelist in the context of that early community has supplied for the church of all ages a truly masterful statement about Jesus—Jesus is indeed Lord and God

Gerald L. Borchert, John 12–21 (vol. 25B; The New American Commentary; Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 2002), 314–315.

and another source you claim which does not support you

The faith of Thomas is full of significance. First, it is helpful to our own faith to hear so decisive and so full a confession coming from the lips of such a man. John himself felt it to be so decisive that after recording it he virtually closes the Gospel which he had undertaken to write in order to persuade men that Jesus is the Son of God. After this confession of Thomas he feels that no more can be said. He stops not for want of matter; "many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples" which are not written in this Gospel. These seemed sufficient. The man who is not moved by this will not be moved by any further proof. Proof is not what such a doubter needs. Whatever we think of the other Apostles, it is plain that Thomas at least was not credulous. If Peter’s generous ardour carried him to a confession unwarranted by the facts, if John saw in Jesus the reflection of his own contemplative and loving nature, what are we to say of the faith of Thomas? He had no determination to see only what he desired, no readiness to accept baseless evidence and irresponsible testimony. He knew the critical nature of the situation, the unique importance of the matter presented to his faith. With him there was no frivolous or thoughtless underrating of difficulties. He did not absolutely deny the possibility of Christ’s resurrection, but he went very near doing so, and showed that practically he considered it either impossible or unlikely in the extreme. But in the end he believes. And the ease with which he passes from doubt to faith proves his honesty and sound-heartedness. As soon as evidence which to him is convincing is produced, he proclaims his faith.
His confession, too, is fuller than that of the other disciples. The week of painful questioning had brought clearly before his mind the whole significance of the Resurrection, so that he does not hesitate to own Jesus as his God. When a man of profound spiritual feeling and of good understanding has doubts and hesitations from the very intensity and subtlety of his scrutiny of what appears to him of transcendent importance; when he sees difficulties unseen by men who are too little interested in the matter to recognise them even though they stare them in the face,--when such a man, with the care and anxiety that befit the subject, considers for himself the claims of Christ, and as the result yields himself to the Lord, he sees more in Christ than other men do, and is likely to be steadier in his allegiance than if he had slurred over apparent obstacles instead of removing them, and stifled objections in place of answering them. It was not the mere seeing of Christ risen which prompted the full confession of Thomas. But slowly during that week of suspense he had been taking in the full significance of the Resurrection, coming at the close of such a life as he knew the Lord had lived. The very idea that such a thing was believed by the rest forced his mind back upon the exceptional character of Jesus, His wonderful works, the intimations He had given of His connection with God. The sight of Him risen came as the keystone of the arch, which being wanting all had fallen to the ground, but being inserted clenched the whole, and could now bear any weight. The truths about His person which Thomas had begun to explain away return upon his mind with resistless force, and each in clear, certain verity. He saw now that his Lord had performed all His word, had proved Himself supreme over all that affected men. He saw Him after passing through unknown conflict with principalities and powers come to resume fellowship with sinful men, standing with all things under His feet, yet giving His hand to the weak disciple to make him partake in His triumph.
This was a rare and memorable hour for Thomas, one of those moments that mark a man’s spirit permanently. He is carried entirely out of himself, and sees nothing but his Lord. The whole energy of his spirit goes out to Him undoubtingly, unhesitatingly, unrestrained. Everything is before him in the person of Christ; nothing causes the least diversion or distraction. For once his spirit has found perfect peace. There is nothing in the unseen world that can dismay him, nothing in the future on which he can spend a thought; his soul rests in the Person before him. He does not draw back, questioning whether the Lord will now receive him; he fears no rebuke; he does not scrutinise his spiritual condition, nor ask whether his faith is sufficiently spiritual. He cannot either go back upon his past conduct, or analyse his present feelings, or spend one thought of any kind upon himself. The scrupulous, sceptical man is all devoutness and worship; the thousand objections are swept from his mind; and all by the mere presence of Christ He is rapt in this one object; mind and soul are filled with the regained Lord; he forgets himself; the passion of joy with which he regains in a transfigured form his lost Leader absorbs him quite: "he had lost a possible king of the Jews; he finds his Lord and his God." There can be no question here about himself, his prospects, his interests. He can but utter his surprise, his joy, and his worship in the cry, "My Lord and my God."

and yet another source you claimed does not support you

Instead of taking advantage of the offer, Thomas responds immediately and emphatically to the invitation to “be no longer faithless but faithful.” In reply he “answered and said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ ” (v. 28). The disciples have routinely called Jesus “Lord” (see 13:13), and Mary Magdalene has spoken of him as “my Lord” even in death (v. 13), but this is the first time anyone (aside from the Gospel writer) has called him “God,” or “my God.” Finally the introduction of Jesus to the reader as “God” (1:1), or “God the One and Only” (1:18), is confirmed from within the narrative. He has not “made himself God” (10:33), or “equal to God” (5:18), as his opponents charged, yet he is God, and now at last his disciples know it. The confession is all the more striking because the message Jesus sent to the disciples through Mary Magdalene was “I am going up to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God” (v. 17). Even Jesus recognized the Father as “my God,” and he invited his disciples to do the same. Yet Thomas does not hesitate to address Jesus himself in exactly the same way. He realizes that at the end of the day, “Believe in God, and believe in me!” (14:1) amount to the same thing. Those commands were addressed to all the disciples, not just one, and Thomas’s confession too (like Peter’s in 6:69) is best understood as representing the conviction of all the disciples gathered behind locked doors on those two successive first days of the week.

J. Ramsey Michaels, The Gospel of John (The New International Commentary on the Old and New Testament; Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge, UK: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2010), 1018.

I have all these resources and many more so maybe you should stop taking out of context snippets from secondary sources

In any case your claim scholars debunk me is quite laughable and an incredible delusion
 
This is quoted directly from the Bible. Once again, only the Father is called the Lord of heaven and earth in the Bible. This is Scripture. Jesus is never called that. It's actually just one of nearly two dozen names and titles that God and Jesus don't have in common. You should not add to scripture. Not a good look for you.
sorry you ignored the text

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

The address is to Jesus not to God

which Alford rebukes

The Socinian view, that these words, ὁ κύρ. μου κ. ὁ θεός μου, are merely an exclamation, is refuted—(1) By the fact that no such exclamations were in use among the Jews. (2) By the εἶπεν αὐτῷ. (3) By the impossibility of referring ὁ κύριός μου to another than Jesus: see ver. 13. (4) By the N.T. usage of expressing the vocative by the nom. with an article. (5) By the utter psychological absurdity of such a supposition: that one just convinced of the presence of Him whom he deeply loved, should, instead of addressing Him, break out into an irrelevant cry. (6) By the further absurdity of supposing that if such were the case, the Apostle John, who of all the sacred writers most constantly keeps in mind the object for which he is writing, should have recorded any thing so beside that object. (7) By the intimate conjunction of πεπίστευκας—see below. Dismissing it therefore, we observe that this is the highest confession of faith which has yet been made;—and that it shews that (though not yet fully) the meaning of the previous confessions of His being ‘the Son of God’ was understood. Thus John, in the very close of his Gospel (see on vv. 30, 31) iterates the testimony with which he began it—to the Godhead of the Word who became flesh: and by this closing confession, shews how the testimony of Jesus to Himself had gradually deepened and exalted the Apostles’ conviction, from the time when they knew Him only as ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ Ἰωσήφ (ch. 1:46), till now when He is acknowledged as their LORD and their GOD.

Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 912.
 
sorry you ignored the text

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

The address is to Jesus not to God

which Alford rebukes

The Socinian view, that these words, ὁ κύρ. μου κ. ὁ θεός μου, are merely an exclamation, is refuted—(1) By the fact that no such exclamations were in use among the Jews. (2) By the εἶπεν αὐτῷ. (3) By the impossibility of referring ὁ κύριός μου to another than Jesus: see ver. 13. (4) By the N.T. usage of expressing the vocative by the nom. with an article. (5) By the utter psychological absurdity of such a supposition: that one just convinced of the presence of Him whom he deeply loved, should, instead of addressing Him, break out into an irrelevant cry. (6) By the further absurdity of supposing that if such were the case, the Apostle John, who of all the sacred writers most constantly keeps in mind the object for which he is writing, should have recorded any thing so beside that object. (7) By the intimate conjunction of πεπίστευκας—see below. Dismissing it therefore, we observe that this is the highest confession of faith which has yet been made;—and that it shews that (though not yet fully) the meaning of the previous confessions of His being ‘the Son of God’ was understood. Thus John, in the very close of his Gospel (see on vv. 30, 31) iterates the testimony with which he began it—to the Godhead of the Word who became flesh: and by this closing confession, shews how the testimony of Jesus to Himself had gradually deepened and exalted the Apostles’ conviction, from the time when they knew Him only as ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ Ἰωσήφ (ch. 1:46), till now when He is acknowledged as their LORD and their GOD.

Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 912.
They have no Greek scholars who agree with them. Their view is 100% biased. No Greek grammarians support their view.
 
First you ignored the Greek experts which addressed your argument concerning the vocative case showing it was bogus
I have found at least a dozen scholars who disagree with you. I have given you the sources already as I always do. Some of them are not publicly available to quote, but you can research them and find out why the vocative case is used for addressing people.

Among the hordes of Trinitarians and Greek experts who have had the privilege to translate and publish the Bible have ultimately disagreed with your translation. Though you quote those who say what you wish John 20:28 says, the Bible translations ultimately disagree with you and agree with me! Wow man.

You might find one or two translations, tops, that says what you say, but the vast majority in church circulation that are common today do not say "YOU ARE my Lord and my God." Based on this very fact alone, your theory about Jesus being addressed as God by Thomas is fully refuted.


New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

New Living Translation
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.

English Standard Version
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Berean Study Bible
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”

New American Standard Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

NASB 1995
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

NASB 1977
Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Amplified Bible
Thomas answered Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Christian Standard Bible
Thomas responded to him, “My Lord and my God! ”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Thomas responded to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Good News Translation
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Thomas responded to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"

International Standard Version
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

NET Bible
Thomas replied to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Classic Translations
King James Bible
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

New King James Version
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

King James 2000 Bible
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

New Heart English Bible
Thomas answered and said to him, "My Lord and my God."

World English Bible
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

American King James Version
And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God.

American Standard Version
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

A Faithful Version
And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God."

Darby Bible Translation
Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.

English Revised Version
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Webster's Bible Translation
And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.

Early Modern
Geneva Bible of 1587
Then Thomas answered, & said vnto him, Thou art my Lord, and my God.

Bishops' Bible of 1568
Thomas aunswered, and sayde vnto hym: My Lorde, and my God.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
Thomas answered, & sayde vnto him: My LORDE, and my God.

Tyndale Bible of 1526
Thomas answered and sayde vnto him: my Lorde and my God.

Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Berean Literal Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Young's Literal Translation
And Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God;'

Smith's Literal Translation
And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.

Literal Emphasis Translation
Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and My God!

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God.

Catholic Public Domain Version
Thomas responded and said to him, “My Lord and my God.”

Translations from Aramaic
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord, and my God.”

Lamsa Bible
Thomas answered and said to him, O my Lord and my God!

NT Translations
Anderson New Testament
And Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord and my God.

Godbey New Testament
Thomas responded and said to Him, My Lord and my God.

Haweis New Testament
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God!

Mace New Testament
Thomas answered, and said to him, my Lord and my God!

Weymouth New Testament
"My Lord and my God!" replied Thomas.

Worrell New Testament
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Worsley New Testament
And Thomas answered, and said, "My Lord and my God."
 
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I find it a genuine marvel that Trinitarians don't believe even when decades after Jesus was taken to heaven, that Paul kept on calling Jesus a man between God and men. For the readers, let that sink in. Paul, a man, referred to Jesus as a man between God and men, even after he was taken to heaven.

It says Jesus is a man between God and men. In other words, based on the Trinitarian concept of Jesus, 1 Tim. 2:5 says Jesus is a man between the Trinity and men! Wow. I think my new favorite exercise is writing the Trinity into the Bible and showing everyone how Trinitarianism refutes itself. Turns out that the strongest argument against the Trinity is the Trinity.

Someone here said something to me that made me realize we can't reach Trins using Scripture because they aren't using Scripture. That's the mistake we always make, counterintuitively. The words of the Bible can be manipulated by a skillful theologian or lawyer to say or suggest anything. They always find a way out of the truth with a different version, commentary, theologian, etc.

I believe we need to experiment more with demonstration of how the Trinity isn't Scriptural when the Trinity is actually written into the Bible.
Um he called him God as well

Titus 2:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Trinitarian doctrine does not deny Christ remains a man as well so tyhere is nothing unusual there

BTW it is yet another lie

Someone here said something to me that made me realize we can't reach Trins using Scripture because they aren't using Scripture.

Tons of scripture have been used and exegeted where you often ignore the context.
 
Um he called him God as well

Titus 2:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Reads like "The Great Trinity and our Savior Jesus Christ" which would prove Jesus is not a member of the Trinitarian Godhead.

I want you to read your religion into the Bible and find it doesn't make any sense.
Trinitarian doctrine does not deny Christ remains a man as well so tyhere is nothing unusual there

BTW it is yet another lie

Someone here said something to me that made me realize we can't reach Trins using Scripture because they aren't using Scripture.

Tons of scripture have been used and exegeted where you often ignore the context.
See above. Your Trinity is being challenged by Scripture.
 
Reads like "The Great Trinity and our Savior Jesus Christ" which would prove Jesus is not a member of the Trinitarian Godhead.

I want you to read your religion into the Bible and find it doesn't make any sense.

See above. Your Trinity is being challenged by Scripture.
you need a break. your arguments are getting worse every time. You forget the flexibility of theos. Do we need to remind you of this several times a day?
 
you need a break. your arguments are getting worse every time. You forget the flexibility of theos. Do we need to remind you of this several times a day?
Ahhhh.... now you want to argue against God being the Trinity. It's because the Trinity is making a problem for the Trinity when it's actually shoehorned into the Bible.

So if theos is flexible, then Titus 2:13 means Jesus is the Trinity or that the great God is someone else other than Jesus?
 
Ahhhh.... now you want to argue against God being the Trinity. It's because the Trinity is making a problem for the Trinity when it's actually shoehorned into the Bible.

So if theos is flexible, then Titus 2:13 means Jesus is the Trinity or that the great God is someone else other than Jesus?
Nothing to respond to here. Okay I will give you a freebie to refresh your memory. There are supplements you can take to help your memory.

I'm not sure why it helps to bring up arguments so easily rebutted.
 
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I own this

Paul says in Ephesians 1:3, “We are blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ.” All these wonderful precious realities came us GODS GIFTS AN wrapped in his beloved Son. There is nothing we ever did and can ever do to earn any of these things. All of these glorious spiritual realities were purchased by Jesus on the cross. And He gives them to us.

Gifts from God for His children. Here are just a few.

Gifts from Romans 5:

1. Justified by faith
(v. 1) We have a right standing with God because we have been declared righteous before Him. This is a legal verdict, and it includes: pardon from the guilt and penalty of sin; imputation of our sin to Christ’s account; our sins no longer counted against us; Christ’s righteousness credited to our account; and God declaring us “righteous,” solely on the merits of Christ’s righteousness.

2. Peace with God (v. 1) We are no longer God’s enemy. “God has declared Himself to be at war with every human being because of man’s sinful rebellion against Him and His laws. But the first great result of justification is that the sinner’s war with God is ended forever.” (John McArthur)

3. Access to the Father (v. 2) The access that was unthinkable in the Old Testament is now made possible through Jesus Christ.

4. Stand before God in grace (v. 2) In God’s saving grace, we enjoy a permanent, secure position. We also have sanctifying grace, sustaining grace, enabling grace, and suffering grace. Our position is not based in our own performance, but in God’s.

5. Hope of the glory of God (v. 2) “Hope” does not speak of uncertainty, but of something that is certain, but not yet realized. Our ultimate destiny is to share in the glory of God.

6. Suffering and tribulation (v. 3) Trials are the “pressure” that, like a “juicer,” produces the sweet “juice” of perseverance, endurance, character, and hope. This gift comes especially as a result of our relationship with Christ or because we choose to do right.

7. Love of God (v. 5) is lavished on us, overflowing in us. Understanding His great love for us will result in overflowing love for Him.

8. The precious Holy Spirit (v. 5) He lives in us: “God has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come” (2 Cor. 5:5). The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, comforts us, makes Christ known to us, teaches us the truth, and guides us.

9. Saved from God’s wrath (v. 9) Christ bore the full fury of God’s wrath against us and our sin.

10. Reconciled to God (vv. 10-11) Formerly separated and alienated from God, we are now brought to a state of right relationship with Him.

Gifts from Ephesians 1:1-8

11. Adopted into God’s family
(v. 4) God is our Father. We are children of God with a new nature, in a new family relationship. We bear God’s likeness.

12. Redemption through His blood (v. 7) This is a word picture from the ancient slave markets. A redeemer paid the necessary ransom to purchase the prisoner or slave’s release from bondage. We can sing, “Redeemed, how I love to proclaim it, Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb; Redeemed through His infinite mercy, His child, and forever, I am.”

13. Forgiveness of sins (v. 7) In the words of another song: “My sin–oh, the bliss of this glorious thought–my sin, not in part, but the whole, is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord, O my soul.” Forgiveness leads to joy: “Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.” (Ps. 32:1) Because of the blood of Jesus, God is faithful to forgive our sins–past, present, and future (1 John 1:9).

14. Purpose for living (vv. 12, 14) We exist “for the praise of His glory.”

Gifts revealed in other scriptures:

15. The righteousness of Christ
(2 Cor. 5:21) Christ’s righteousness comes in exchange for our sinfulness.

16. Christ in you (Col. 1:27; Gal. 2:20) He is our “hope of glory,” and the perspective of our lives is “no longer I, but Christ.”

17. Life (1 John 5:11-13) We have eternal life, which speaks of its quantity (length), and we have abundant life, which speaks of its quality. We are spiritually alive because we are in relationship with Jesus, partaking of His life.

18. Mercy (Ps. 103:10-11) God does not treat us as our sins deserve, or repay us according to our iniquities. We will experience His unmerited mercy throughout our entire life.

19. The peace of God (Phil. 4:6-7) God’s peace, which comes as a result of prayer, stands guard in our hearts and minds.

20. Joy (Ps. 16:11; 1 Peter 1:3-9; 4:13,14) In God’s presence, there is “fullness of joy.” Far more than earthly happiness, we receive “exceeding joy,” a joy not based on circumstances. There is even joy as we endure trials of our faith, partaking in Christ’s sufferings and reproach.

21. Victory over sin (Romans 6:6-23) We are “freed” from the power of sin. When we reckon ourselves to be “dead” unto sin (crucified with Christ), and yield our bodies to God as instruments of righteousness, we are no longer under the dominion of our flesh.

22. The Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-27; Romans 12:5) We instantly have countless “brothers and sisters” in the family of God and are “members one of another.”

23. Spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12:4-7; 1 Peter 4:10; Rom. 12:6-8; Eph. 4:7, 11-16) Every believer has one or more spiritual gifts-which are to be used to glorify God and edify the Body of Christ.

24. Future glory (Rom 8:17-18) As heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ, we will be glorified in heaven.

25. Two great intercessors (Heb. 7:25; Rom. 8:34; Rom. 8:26) Jesus intercedes for us in heaven, and the Holy Spirit intercedes within us.

26. The power of God (Eph. 1:18-20) We begin to understand how God uses His exceedingly great and mighty power on our behalf.

27. Prayer (Heb. 4:16; Phil. 4:6) We are encouraged to “come boldly unto the throne of grace” and to let our “requests be made known unto God.” Remember: “Oh, what peace we often forfeit… when we do not carry everything to God in prayer.”

28. Wisdom (Prov. 2:6; James 1:5) Man may have knowledge, but true wisdom comes from God. He enables us to see from His perspective. Want more wisdom? “Ask of God.”

29. A home in heaven (John 14:2-3) Christ is preparing a place for us in our Father’s house.

30. Freedom from fear (Ps. 23:4) God’s presence makes all the difference in the world. Because God was with Him, the Psalmist said, “I will fear no evil.”

31. No condemnation (Rom. 8:1) While the Law condemns, there is no condemnation in Christ, our Deliverer.

32. An advocate (1 John 2:1; Rev. 12:10) We have a defense attorney in heaven: “If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous.” Jesus defends us against the prosecution, Satan, who accuses believers day and night.

33. Future rewards (1 Cor. 3:11-15; 2 Cor. 5:10) Rewards will be given for faithfulness and for service.

34. The presence of God (Matt. 28:20; Heb.13:5b)-His loving presence is continuous: “I am with you always.” The changeless Christ will never leave or forsake His own.

35. The Word of God (Ps. 119:105; John 17:17; John 15:3) Not only is the precious Word a light to illumine our path, it also sanctifies and cleanses us.

36. Provision (Ps. 37:25) The Psalmist said, “I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.” God’s provision is expressed in a powerful church hymn, “Great Is Thy Faithfulness”–“All I have needed, Thy hand hath provided.”

37. Guidance (Psalm 23:3) David said, “He leads me in paths of righteousness . . .” All we have to do is follow and obey.

38. Protection against the enemy (Ps. 121:1-8; Eph. 6:10-17) God, who never sleeps and is always watching over us, gives us His armor for protection, and His presence preserves us from evil “evermore.” God gives us victory over Satan.

39. All spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:3) “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.”

40. He restores my soul (Ps. 23:2-3) “He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul.”

41. A future inheritance (1 Peter 1:3-4; Eph. 1:13; Rom. 8:17; 1 Cor. 3:21-23) Christians will receive “an inheritance that is imperishable” and “kept in heaven.”

42. Kept by God (Ps. 121:5-8; 1 Peter 1:5; Jude 24) God’s power will keep us from all evil.

43. Life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3) God’s power gives us “all things pertaining to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him.”

44. Great promises (2 Peter 1:4) God has “granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of this divine nature.”

45. Call to ministry (Gal. 1:15; Eph. 3:7-8; 1 Tim. 1:12) “He who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace.”
again, you have NOTHING it's all invested in Christ... (smile), lol. Oh my .... you're bought with a PRICE... my God when will they Learn....

101G.
 
Nothing to respond to here. Okay I will give you a freebie to refresh your memory. There are supplements you can take to help your memory.

I'm not sure why it helps to bring up arguments so easily rebutted.
Ahhh... now you changed the subject to Granville's theory. It isn't a rule, for the record. In English grammar there are indeed rules, but the GS rule isn't one of them. Refresh on your English instead of fantasy "rules" that some guy invented out of thin air. They also didn't exist in Bible's before he came along.
 
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again, you have NOTHING it's all invested in Christ... (smile), lol. Oh my .... you're bought with a PRICE... my God when will they Learn....

101G.
I have GODS GIFTS and I have learned some of what God has reviled in His word. I have the gift of eternal life. I have the authority of the believer that comes from God and from God’s Word. I have the position of God’s ambassador, I can speak with His authority as I share His Word, appealing to the world on behalf of Christ. I have the sword of the Spirit, a mighty weapon forged by God for my use.

2 times Paul tells believers at Corinth, “You were bought with a price.” In 1 Corinthians 6, Paul was making a passionate appeal against sexual immorality. He concluded his argument, stating, “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body”.

Paul reminded the Corinthians that ownership of their bodies had been transferred to Christ. They no longer had the right or freedom to use their bodies any way they wished. Just as slaves were purchased in the ancient world, we were bought with the price of Christ’s blood on the cross. We now belong to Him. We don’t have the right to rebel against our Master by using our bodies in ways He forbids.

I have the ability to walk in the light as He is in the Light or I can walk in my Flesh. The Key is to abide in Christ.
 
Ahhh... now you changed the subject to Granville's theory. It isn't a rule, for the record. In English grammar there are indeed rules, but the GS rule isn't one of them. Refresh on your English instead of fantasy "rules" that some guy invented out of thin air. They also didn't exist in Bible's before he came along.
why are you pretending to be so unaware of language? These are called rules in Greek and English because these are the way languages have used them. It is not as if some king of English people says "it will be done this way." It is not even that people write this way because they are told to. These rules are probably like culture plus natural plus logical.
 
Ahhh... now you changed the subject to Granville's theory. It isn't a rule, for the record. In English grammar there are indeed rules, but the GS rule isn't one of them. Refresh on your English instead of fantasy "rules" that some guy invented out of thin air. They also didn't exist in Bible's before he came along.
that's nonsense. Example, the 1 Thessalonians 3:11 "Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you."
the term "OUR" makes the connection that the person that is our God and Father... "HIMSELF" is also .... OUR Lord Jesus the Christ.. how do 101G know this, scripture, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

God and Father, is the same one person.... thanks Runningman for the video. this has just open up more doors for 101G..... (smile), and again thanks.

when one who is ignorant in their revelation try's to make a point, it's gold for the hearer here in this case.

101G.
 
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