Jesus denied being God

[Pancho Frijoles]

Maybe they should just forget all their man fed doctrine and just believe scripture.

They think they believe Scripture while you believe fantasies.
Remember: what you think of them, they think of you.
So, how are we going to handle this situation?
Debating for years?
This has been debated for almost 2000 years.

 

[Runningman]

Right here you're totally contradicting the phrase "the Word was God". Your logic fails here.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and ask a Greek, someone you trust, to translate John 1:1 for you? You're imposing your own presuppositions on those verses.

The Greek doesn't support the Word being the God. Which is my point and I am 100% correct. You can't gaslight people into being deceived like you are. That probably makes your blood boil.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The Greek doesn't support the Word being the God. Which is my point and I am 100% correct. You can't gaslight people into being deceived like you are. That probably makes your blood boil.

I have a problem understanding the word "gaslight"
It is very new it seems and probably we don't have an equivalent in Spanish, or maybe we do.
Could you help me with that, please?

 

[synergy]

The Greek doesn't support the Word being the God.

If I believed that then I would be a Modalist. That comment of yours reveals just how little you understand of Trinitarianism.

Which is my point and I am 100% correct. You can't gaslight people into being deceived like you are. That probably makes your blood boil.

It's back to the drawing board for you. As I advised you earlier, talk to a Greek person about how they read and understand John 1:1 in the Greek. What are you afraid of? That you will be told the truth which you continuously deny? If that advice is gaslighting then you are indeed lost.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

That comment of yours reveals just how little you understand of Trinitarianism.

Well, all your comments reveal how little you understand Trinitarianism. If you don't understand it, how do you expect others to do it?
Well, it is not your fault.
Nobody can understand it and nobody will be judged for understanding it.

 

[synergy]

Well, all your comments reveal how little you understand Trinitarianism. If you don't understand it, how do you expect others to do it?

Explain why you think that I do not understand Trinitarianism. Where have I ever contradicted myself? You offer accusations without support.

Well, it is not your fault.

There's no fault in understanding what the Bible reveals as truth which is Trinitarianism.

Nobody can understand it and nobody will be judged for understanding it.

Vast numbers of Greek people did understand it throughout the ages. They're not stupid.

 

[Parker]

Jesus Raises Lazarus From the Dead​

38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.

“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”

40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?” John 11: 39-40

They saw The God Man in His glory that Day. By raising Lazarus from the dead, Jesus demonstrated his divine power over death and life itself.


Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead after four days in the tomb demonstrates Jesus’ ultimate power and authority over death itself because He is God in human form.

 

[mikesw]

I have a problem understanding the word "gaslight"
It is very new it seems and probably we don't have an equivalent in Spanish, or maybe we do.
Could you help me with that, please?

Gaslighting is when a person is being tricked about what is real and unreal. That person might then appear irrational. You could spread dust around on the floor and your wife vacuums it up while you are gone. Then you sneak back in and spread the dust there again and sneak out. She then gets confused why it is dusty again. You come home and ask why she has not vacuumed the floor.
Maybe she puts clothes in the washer and it will take 30 minutes to cycle through. You sneak in with a matching set of clothes that hot, like out of the dryer and also folded. So she is confused because she seemed to have forgotten doing that.
Then after she washes dishes, you secretly go and make it looked like the dishes and pans were not washed after the meal the night before. You keep on doing stuff like this until she does not even know what she has done or failed to do.

 

[Peterlag]

Whining is a common debate tactic for those who can't defend themselves.

You need to invite your seminary leader to join this discussion. Maybe they can do better.

Who's whining? I'm happy to get beat up for the truth of God's Word. It puts me in good company with all the Old Testament Prophets.

 

[Peterlag]

You and your opinions get a little criticism and you equate that to murderous hatred? That's an exaggerated response, so you can claim you're being persecuted and thereby earning brownie points with God. When actually, your denying the truth of scripture should put the fear of God in you.

I'm happy to get beat up like all the Old Testament Prophets.

 

[Peterlag]

You cannot show any reference to an impersonal thing and the passage speaks of Christ before becoming man

In fact you denied it

So what was this existence of Christ in the form of God before becoming man

There is no Jesus that existed in the form of God before being born.

 

[TomL]

There is no Jesus that existed in the form of God before being born.

Sorry

read the text

Philippians 2:5–7 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

when did he exist in the form of God and then make himse;f of no reputation and take on the form of a servant

You are running from the text

 

[TomL]

They think they believe Scripture while you believe fantasies.
Remember: what you think of them, they think of you.
So, how are we going to handle this situation?
Debating for years?
This has been debated for almost 2000 years.

I do not care. I believe it is clearly established who follows the scriptures and who follows men. Far too many times have they been seen denying the scriptures

 

[TomL]

Indeed, Phil 2:5 presupposes that Jesus Christ is one person, and God (not "the Father", but "God") another person.
Otherwise, the hymn hadn't said "He was in the form of God" but just "He was God".
The hymn hadn't said "did not count equality with God", but just "did not count being God".

The author of the epistle of Philippians had made very clear, from the very beginning of his epistle, that he considers God and Jesus as separate persons, and that God is Our Father.
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:2)

You fail to understand but Jesus is not the father

The term God is usually reserved for him unless denoted otherwise and the term Lord the substitute for Yahweh/Jehovah is reserved for Christ unless otherwise noted

Given that no trinitarian is troubled by a differentiation of the son and the Father

I told you previously you must understand whether the term God is used as a proper name for the father or to denote a class of being known as deity which consists of father, son, Holy Spirit

 

[Runningman]

I have a problem understanding the word "gaslight"
It is very new it seems and probably we don't have an equivalent in Spanish, or maybe we do.
Could you help me with that, please?

sure, gaslighting is a kind of psychological manipulation. You know, these discussions are often times more like debates in which two opposing sides believe they have the truth while no one will ever cede a point. It eventually gets to the point, often quite early, where one decides to immediately go after demoralizing their opponent and/or trying to make them question themselves.

That's essentially what gaslighting is. The idea is that if someone can make their debate opponent question or doubt themselves then that can be an inroad to making the debate go away. What they have figured out is that I don't go away. I believe in persistence. As long as I am alive I won't stop.

 

[Runningman]

If I believed that then I would be a Modalist. That comment of yours reveals just how little you understand of Trinitarianism.

It's back to the drawing board for you. As I advised you earlier, talk to a Greek person about how they read and understand John 1:1 in the Greek. What are you afraid of? That you will be told the truth which you continuously deny? If that advice is gaslighting then you are indeed lost.

I understand Trinitarianism which is why I am here to debunk it every day. You should believe what Jesus did regarding himself and God. Your beliefs don't match his, mine do. Here's an easy one. Who was Jesus' God? Do you want to be like Jesus?

 

[synergy]

I understand Trinitarianism which is why I am here to debunk it every day. You should believe what Jesus did regarding himself and God. Your beliefs don't match his, mine do. Here's an easy one. Who was Jesus' God? Do you want to be like Jesus?

You don't even understand Greek, the language used to present it to the world in John 1:1!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Who's whining? I'm happy to get beat up for the truth of God's Word. It puts me in good company with all the Old Testament Prophets.

You're not them. You're in the crowd that killed them. You're suffering because of your own failures.

 

[Peterlag]

You're not them. You're in the crowd that killed them. You're suffering because of your own failures.

I did not know I was suffering. From what?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I did not know I was suffering. From what?

They that are sick need a physician. Which is why you don't have Jesus Christ. You don't think that your sick. Jesus Christ is the Great Physician.

Luk 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

You believe you're actually righteous. You're delusional with a sickness you don't understand.