Jesus denied being God

[TomL]

That's why he has appropriately called himself the @Runningman! He runs away from English Grammar, Greek Grammar, Basic Logic, Reality (in this case), and thousands of Bible verses.

Indeed

 

[TomL]

That's a doctrine, a philosophy, an idea. It's not stated in the Bible. I go with the Bible.. you're going with a subjective idea.

What is not stated?

That men are seen stating they saw God?

Yet



Genesis 32:30 (KJV 1900) — 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.



Judges 13:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.



Exodus 24:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

that is stated

that Jesus stated no man has seen or heard the Father(God)

John 5:37 (KJV 1900) — 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 6:46 (KJV 1900) — 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

John 1:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

that is stated also

so what is not stated?

 

[Runningman]

I may do it myself. Post a few pages just on John 1. Where should I post it?

I am not going to open another thread right now, but if you do I'll comment in it. We can just wait until they have exhausted all of their talking points. They have a lot, but they don't have the longevity that Unitarianism does. Keep in mind, they have a list of texts they will use and an even bigger list of texts they won't touch that belong to us. I think we have barely even mentioned most of the proofs against the Trinity yet.

 

[Runningman]

nice try John 1:3-4 declares He is Life, its Found in Him. He is the source of all life.

next fallacy

Nice try? Didn't Jesus get his way, truth, and life from the Father? He said he did. Jesus, a man who can do nothing of himself but instead does what his Father does. Jesus who was given to have life in himself from the Father. Jesus who heard the truth from God... so he didn't inherently have it all. Why do you not believe?

Look civic. Scripture.

John 5
19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

John 8
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

 

[TomL]

I am not going to open another thread right now, but if you do I'll comment in it. We can just wait until they have exhausted all of their talking points. They have a lot, but they don't have the longevity that Unitarianism does. Keep in mind, they have a list of texts they will use and an even bigger list of texts they won't touch that belong to us. I think we have barely even mentioned most of the proofs against the Trinity yet.

Boy will you be fooled

 

[mikesw]

Boy will you be fooled

it always seems like runningman and peterlag are holding back the verses that support their side. I'm still waiting for them to show the hidden verses that work in their favor. I see runningman repeat the same verses over and over again as if repetition is an argument in and of itself

 

[praise_yeshua]

Phil 2:5 is not consistent with a description of an impersonal thing. And because you cannot get me to say it is when you say I'm not dealing with it.

You can copy and paste. That is about it.

Ever heard of the debate style of "Spontaneous Argumentation"?

I prefer it. It shows just what a person actually knows without AI or Google.

 

[TomL]

You can copy and paste. That is about it.

Ever heard of the debate style of "Spontaneous Argumentation"?

I prefer it. It shows just what a person actually knows without AI or Google.

He totally misunderstood the point

His arguing Phil 2:5 cannot be speaking of an impersonal being refutes his own argument that the word is impersonal

 

[praise_yeshua]

He totally misunderstood the point

His arguing Phil 2:5 cannot be speaking of an impersonal being refutes his own argument that the word is impersonal

In the context of "person", English can not properly represent the Greek origin. In Greek, the word for person is πρόσωπο. Which corresponds to the English word "face".

Greek Examples.....

Luke 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.

Even modern Greek to English editions inconsistently translate πρόσωπο. Example.

Luke 9:52 And he sent messengers ahead of him, who went and entered a village of the Samaritans, to make preparations for him. ESV.

You simply get the third person pronoun "him".

However in the Greek text of the OT it is found over thousand times in almost a thousand verses. One of the key verses I believe to be found in the establishment of "person" in the scriptural texts is found in

Luke 7:27 ουτος εστιν περι ου γεγραπται ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ος κατασκευασει την οδον σου εμπροσθεν σου

It is an interesting study. One well worth exploring.

Even in Hebrew..... פָּנִים

Gen 33:10 Jacob said, “No, please, if I have found favor in your sight, then accept my present from my hand. For I have seen your face, which is like seeing the face of God, and you have accepted me.

 

[TomL]

In the context of "person", English can not properly represent the Greek origin. In Greek, the word for person is πρόσωπο. Which corresponds to the English word "face".

Greek Examples.....

Luke 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.

Even modern Greek to English editions inconsistently translate πρόσωπο. Example.

Luke 9:52 And he sent messengers ahead of him, who went and entered a village of the Samaritans, to make preparations for him. ESV.

You simply get the third person pronoun "him".

However in the Greek text of the OT it is found over thousand times in almost a thousand verses. One of the key verses I believe to be found in the establishment of "person" in the scriptural texts is found in

Luke 7:27 ουτος εστιν περι ου γεγραπται ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ος κατασκευασει την οδον σου εμπροσθεν σου

It is an interesting study. One well worth exploring.

Even in Hebrew..... פָּנִים

Gen 33:10 Jacob said, “No, please, if I have found favor in your sight, then accept my present from my hand. For I have seen your face, which is like seeing the face of God, and you have accepted me.

Yep

My Bible Word Study

Lemma

πρόσωπον prosōpon face; presence; countenance

LXGNTLEX face; presence

LXLXXLEX face; countenance

 

[Peterlag]

You can copy and paste. That is about it.

Ever heard of the debate style of "Spontaneous Argumentation"?

I prefer it. It shows just what a person actually knows without AI or Google.

I already know I'm one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the subject of who the resurrected Christ Jesus is. I don't need anyone to tell me how much I really know. Copying and pasting and using computers and driving cars and using washing machines are all things we have today and they are all okay to use.

 

[Peterlag]

I am not going to open another thread right now, but if you do I'll comment in it. We can just wait until they have exhausted all of their talking points. They have a lot, but they don't have the longevity that Unitarianism does. Keep in mind, they have a list of texts they will use and an even bigger list of texts they won't touch that belong to us. I think we have barely even mentioned most of the proofs against the Trinity yet.

I post some awesome data. And do you know what they say about this awesome stuff? Nothing. They go right by it and say stuff like... all you know how to do is copy and paste. Because I take the data from places where it's already written down.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I post some awesome data. And do you know what they say about this awesome stuff? Nothing. They go right by it and say stuff like... all you know how to do is copy and paste. Because I take the data from places where it's already written down.

Sure you do......

 

[synergy]

I already know I'm one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the subject of who the resurrected Christ Jesus is.

You're also one of the most humble guys on the planet.

 

[Peterlag]

I am not going to open another thread right now, but if you do I'll comment in it. We can just wait until they have exhausted all of their talking points. They have a lot, but they don't have the longevity that Unitarianism does. Keep in mind, they have a list of texts they will use and an even bigger list of texts they won't touch that belong to us. I think we have barely even mentioned most of the proofs against the Trinity yet.

It's up. All that the system would allow me to post. It's called Data on John 1:1.

 

[Peterlag]

You are making my point

Now

Philippians 2:4–8 (KJV 1900) — 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

When did he exist in the form of God

before being made in the likeness of man or after

Is it not before he became man

so before becoming man he had a mind. He had thoughts and was able to demonstrate humility

That shows the pre-existant Christ was not an impersonal thing

hellol

I put up more info on John 1:1 mostly just for you. All that the system would allow. It's a new post called Data on John 1:1

 

[synergy]

mmmhm. Watch and see. I have been doing this for a while. Some of you will convert to Unitarianism in a year or so.

You can't even get past "the Word was God".

 

[Runningman]

I post some awesome data. And do you know what they say about this awesome stuff? Nothing. They go right by it and say stuff like... all you know how to do is copy and paste. Because I take the data from places where it's already written down.

post some and I'll read it. I have already skimmed through your carb-fat website. Why does it say carb-fat?

 

[Runningman]

You can't even get past "the Word was God".

But the Word is not The God. This verse is actually a stumbling block for you.

John 1:1
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

 

[Peterlag]

post some and I'll read it. I have already skimmed through your carb-fat website. Why does it say carb-fat?

I started with a health and nutrient website that you can see is mostly still there. Then I decided to see if my biblical page which is kind a long would fit. And it did.