Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Joel: New Covenants, New Hearts, and a Holy Spirit
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I hate to be the one to bring you the bad news, but the Jews as a nation got a lot of things wrong.
Rom 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." 8 This means that it is NOT the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
jeremiah1five
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No, they haven't.
It's YOUR Gentile-biased interpretation that is wrong. God promised the nine kings and their families NOTHING!!!
They represent the world. And God promised them NOTHING!!!
BUT God did promise Abraham and his seed ("IN THEE") certain things such as land and being a great family that surpass the number of stars Abraham could see in his electric-less night sky.
In your passage above the children of the flesh are Ishmael and his seed. They are BLESSED by virtue of Abraham's covenant, but they are NOT in the covenant. IF ISHMAEL was NOT born through Hagar there would be NO CONFUSION. But Abraham brought confusion into the mix when they tried to bring God's promise of an heir through a servant woman instead of His own body and the body of Sarai ("IN THEE.")
It is hard to imagine a more unintelligent reading of God's word than you present in post after post. You really have no idea whatsoever the what and the why of God's choosing of Israel. It really is pathetic. Goodbye.
jeremiah1five
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See that. You have no answer to the points I make in the OT because you have a Gentile interpretation of Hebrew Scripture. It's error. The ONLY WAY to interpret the Hebrew Scripture - Matthew to Revelation - is with a Hebrew mindset, not a Gentile one.
That's OK. You're not the only one to drop out when I bring the truth of the OT Scripture out as originally written - to a Hebrew audience.
It's like an American high school student trying to interpret Sanskrit as an American, free-world, thinker and not like a Indian person who would KNOW - IN TIME - what Sanskrit means in its original language to Indians. Jesus bar Joseph was truly who He said He was in the 1st century - the fulfillment of the Old Testament promises and prophecies. He was NOT a fulfillment of Roman, Assyrian, Babylonian or any other religious personality of these Gentile nations.
Jesus was Jewish and the fulfillment of the prophecies and Promises of the Law of Moses.
He is a Jewish King to and for the Jewish people specifically to save and deliver the Jewish people from ALL their enemies.
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Deut. 18:15.
and
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deut. 18:18.
It's not hard to understand. Assyrian king is for Assyria, Babylon king for Babylon, and a Jewish king for the Jews.
Jesus is King fo the Jews, NOT the king of Babylon or Asgard. Odin is NOT the "all father" but God is. He is All Father to ALL the Jews. And the Jews have covenant to prove it.
Gentiles do not have covenant with God. Never have, never will.
Keep your Gentile-based interpretation of the Hebrew Scripture. That will be your undoing and I find that most true born-again believers do in time become master of the OT and see their writings as a Hebrew and not as a Gentile - especially when Gentiles interpret the Hebrew Scripture with a western world, free world, American mindset and not as a Hebrew merely studying Hebrew Scripture as a Hebrew citizen.
I been studying the Bible for nearly half a century. And given my call of the Lord is necessary I know the truth or I will be called a false prophet.
This is my call:
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Jeremiah 1:5.
And this is my command:
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant. Jeremiah 1:10.
John the Baptist was called of God "in spirit and power of Elijah" and like Jeremiah I have the same instruction. I will continue to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down the false things most say about the One True God and I am not alone. There are many "Jeremiah's" and "Elijah's" and Ezra's" and "Nehemiah's" and Habakkuk's" out there doing the same thing as I. Setting the stage for Israel's revelation that Jesus bar Joseph was truly the King of the Jews.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:23–24.
Those that claim as most Gentiles do, that the Law is no longer valid, are contradiction. You cannot claim "I serve the one and only God" when you have rejected "thou shalt have no other gods before thee."
What you seem not to understand is that God did not choose the nation Israel for salvation. The OT Scriptures do not present the plan of salvation. The OT Scriptures present the bringing of the plan of salvation to the world. In the OT Scriptures there is only the promise of the coming of the Messiah. It is the NT Scriptures that gives, not the promise of the coming of the Messiah, but rather the actual coming of the Messiah.
All you have as an OT Jew is the animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of sin. But you have no means of entering the kingdom of God. It is only in the NT that you have access to the kingdom of God.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, not alll are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring (Rom 9:6-8).
Which are you? Do you belong to Israel. You have claim that you are a child of the flesh. That doesn't cut it. And that was the statement of a Jew who knew a lot more about the OT than you.
jeremiah1five
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The Old Testament is a record of God and the Hebrew people. It is filled with references of their eventual deliverance from their enemies - sin being one of those enemies - which salvation is clearly described in the Ceremonial Law of the Mosaic Covenant between God and the Hebrew people in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle whom God delivered out of Egypt.
In the Old Testament Gentiles (Moabites, Philistines, etc.), are the enemy of the Hebrews and God delivers them militarily many times. But through the Mosaic Covenant God estanlishes the Ceremonial Laws which address Israel's sin(s) and provides a temporary atonement from sin and establishes a future day when God delivers Israel from ALL their political and military enemies. Revelation says this in chapter 19, 20, 21.
The Kingdom of God is not a place, He is a Person.
The Kingdom of Heaven is a place and it is New Jerusalem.
Romans 9:6-8 refers to the difference between Ishmael and Isaac. The children of the flesh or bondage (Hagar) are Ishmael's descendants.
The children of Promise are Isaac's seed.
I am still learning about Hebrew people, culture, politics, military, religion, the whole ball of wax.
I know enough through Scripture to present a total Hebrew salvation excluding non-Hebrew Gentiles who were NEVER under the Law and NEVER among Christ's atonement.
You are delusional. The kingdom of God is the kingdom of Heaven. The Old Covenant established a means for forgiveness of sin, but not the payment for the penalty of is (Heb 10L4).
Children of the Promise are neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female (Gal 3:28).
Gal 1:2 and all the brothers who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Brothers -- Mostly Gentiles, some Jews. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles (Eph 3:1-13); they are his brothers.
