James' Teaching On Justification: Before Men Or Before God?

Attempting to keep yourself saved by works is not obedience to God.
Then answer simple straight forward questions.
Prove yourself honest.
Is it possible to be obedient by not obeying Gods commandments?

Your statement above shows you are creating your own definition of obedience.
Answer my question.
 
yes indeed @Dizerner which is why the belief in losing salvation exists- its performance based.
our salvation IS performance based . That is a fact .
BUT WHOSE Performance . WHO did all that was necessary for one to be saved .
JESUS DID . Trust in HIM . In HE ALONE is salvation , IN HE ALONE is ETERNAL LIFE .
But woe unto those who use that lovely name , AS I ONCE DID MYSELF , and pratice and love sin .
And woe unto those who claim they BELEIVE IN HIM , THAT HE IS THE SAVOIR
but then turn around and imply to all them false religoins and atheists
WHO I KNOW DO NOT BELEIVE ON HIM , that we all serving the same GOD differently .
Cause all this means is THEY USE HIS NAME TO PROMOTE A LIE . A DAMNABLE LIE .
Folks better watch out who they be supporting and just who they be co helpers too .
CAUSE if folks are co helper to that which is of ANTI CHRIST
THAT WONT BODE WELL on the day of THE LORD GOD all MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
Broad roads of unbeleif DONT SAVE and any who are a co helper to any who preach this stuff
BE AS GUILTY AS THEY WHO PREACHED that lie . SO LETS ALL FLEE INTERFAITH AND ANY AND ALL
who has any part or lott in that matter .
 
Baptism is a direct commandment from God,
Acts 10:47-48,
- and Peter commanded them to be baptized...
Peter commanded them to be baptized AFTER they believed in Him, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved. (Acts 10:43-47)
I'm not lying at all about Dan's gospel.
He teaches we do not need to obey God to be saved. Do not need to obey Gods commandments.
Titus is being deceptive, AGAIN. Obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) is obeying God in order to be saved. (Romans 1:16) Now after we have been saved - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. So, believers here in 1 John 2:3 are not obeying God in order to become saved or remain saved, but because they are children of God who love God and BECAUSE they are saved.
1 John 2:4,
- he who says I know God and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him
Descriptive of children of the devil. Notice, he who says I know God. Bare profession of knowing God. Just like in James 2:14, says he has faith, but he has no works. Bare profession of faith.
Dan calls doing what Jesus commands to be saved works salvation"
Doing what Jesus commands us to do in order to become saved and doing what Jesus commands us to do after we have been saved (because we are saved) is not works salvation. Getting this mixed up and seeking to obtain and/or maintain salvation based on works is works salvation. Titus is so mixed up that he doesn't even seem to understand the difference.
That is a lie.
It is called obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ in love, Galatians 5:6.
We obey the gospel of Jesus Christ (Romans 10:16) by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) What you teach is a lie. Seeking to obtain salvation by water baptism + other works is not obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ in love. It's called obeying the gospel of your church. Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6) and not through pride and self-righteousness.

You sure seem to enjoy calling people a liar.
Thanks.
But unfortunately, you are a compulsive liar.
You are such a liar.
This is why he cannot answer simple questions else he would expose himself as the liar that he is.
 
You have falsely accused me of teaching a gospel of disobedience just because I don't subscribe to works salvation.
shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation.
Dan teaches it is not nessary to obey God as water baptism is a commandment,
Acts 10:47-48,
- and Peter commanded them to be baptized

Now Dan is teaching obeying God out of love, Galatians 5:6, is not obedience but earning your salvation by doing works.
Jesus’ statement he who endures to the end does not mean that our salvation is somehow dependent on our personal ability to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps and keep ourselves saved. Attempting to keep yourself saved by works is not obedience to God.
Dan denies obeying Gods commandments to be saved and teaches this is earning your salvation.
Attempting to keep yourself saved by works is not obedience to God. Those who endure to the end are the same ones who were genuinely saved by grace through faith
1John 2: 4,
- whoever says I know God but does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him
 
To the LORD be the GLORY , all praise with thanksgiving .
COUNT the cost and be prepared to lose all FOR HIS NAME SAKE . cause this all inclusive intefaith
broad road lovey do merging generation , IS NOT gonna love the sheep . Fear them not . FEAR not them
fear not what they can do .
PUT the hand to the PLOW and DONT LOOK back .
 
Titus is being deceptive, AGAIN. Obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) is obeying God in order to be saved. (Romans 1:16) Now after we have been saved - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. So, believers here in 1 John 2:3 are not obeying God in order to become saved or remain saved, but because they are children of God who love God and BECAUSE they are saved
You are dodging my question.
I did not ask you if obedience is believing to be saved.
or if obedience comes after one is saved.

Stop the straw man and answer my question with an honest straightforward answer.

Then answer simple straight forward questions.
Prove yourself honest.
Is it possible to be obedient by not obeying Gods commandments?

Your statement above shows you are creating your own definition of obedience.
Answer my question
Baptism for example is a direct commandment, Acts 10:47-48 ; Mark 16:15-16.
Can any commandment not be obeyed and that person be obedient to God?
 
Peter commanded them to be baptized AFTER they believed in Him, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved. (Acts 10:43-47)

Titus is being deceptive, AGAIN. Obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) is obeying God in order to be saved. (Romans 1:16) Now after we have been saved - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. So, believers here in 1 John 2:3 are not obeying God in order to become saved or remain saved, but because they are children of God who love God and BECAUSE they are saved.

Descriptive of children of the devil. Notice, he who says I know God. Bare profession of knowing God. Just like in James 2:14, says he has faith, but he has no works. Bare profession of faith.

Doing what Jesus commands us to do in order to become saved and doing what Jesus commands us to do after we have been saved (because we are saved) is not works salvation. Getting this mixed up and seeking to obtain and/or maintain salvation based on works is works salvation. Titus is so mixed up that he doesn't even seem to understand the difference.

We obey the gospel of Jesus Christ (Romans 10:16) by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) What you teach is a lie. Seeking to obtain salvation by water baptism + other works is not obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ in love. It's called obeying the gospel of your church. Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6) and not through pride and self-righteousness.

You sure seem to enjoy calling people a liar.
There be many within christendom who sure do love to call one a liar .
HIS NAME JESUS THE CHRIST as they follow another jesus who has made the path to GOD VERY broad .
LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . That is what we ought to have done .
So allow some parting words .
WHO are those men leading in this interreligious intefaith dialgoue
calling a liar . WELL GOD OF COURSE , CHRIST OF COURSE .
CAUSE GOD , CHRIST said ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM TO BE SAVED
but the serpent , well he says NAY nay YE shall not perish IF YE believe not ..........
WHICH ONE YA THINK IS TELLING THE TRUTH , cause It cannot BE BOTH .
ITS GOD . Just as HE told adam not to eat of the tree for in the day ye do ye shall surely die
and the serpent later says NAY NAY ye shall not die if ye do eat
THE SERPENT IS THE LIAR . NOT GOD .
SO too are these religious interfaith interreligious finding common ground helpers of anti christ . THEY LIE .
THEY LIE . NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST . and we better darn sure have no part in being any kind of a co helper
to them IN any way . TIME to expose them all and TIME to POINT ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS .
 
Then answer simple straight forward questions.
Prove yourself honest.
Is it possible to be obedient by not obeying Gods commandments?

Your statement above shows you are creating your own definition of obedience.
Answer my question.
By refusing to obey a command of God we are not being obedient. Now, who has been 100% obedient to ALL of God's commandments 100% of the time? You, Titus? Or only Jesus? (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22) Believers "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) God's commandments (1 John 2:3) yet this does not mean we are sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time (1 John 1:8-10) as Jesus was and is. False religion creates their own definition of obedience which stems from self-righteousness and culminates in salvation by works/works righteousness.
 
There be many within christendom who sure do love to call one a liar .
HIS NAME JESUS THE CHRIST as they follow another jesus who has made the path to GOD VERY broad .
LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . That is what we ought to have done .
So allow some parting words .
WHO are those men leading in this interreligious intefaith dialgoue
calling a liar . WELL GOD OF COURSE , CHRIST OF COURSE .
CAUSE GOD , CHRIST said ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM TO BE SAVED
but the serpent , well he says NAY nay YE shall not perish IF YE believe not ..........
WHICH ONE YA THINK IS TELLING THE TRUTH , cause It cannot BE BOTH .
ITS GOD . Just as HE told adam not to eat of the tree for in the day ye do ye shall surely die
and the serpent later says NAY NAY ye shall not die if ye do eat
THE SERPENT IS THE LIAR . NOT GOD .
SO too are these religious interfaith interreligious finding common ground helpers of anti christ . THEY LIE .
THEY LIE . NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST . and we better darn sure have no part in being any kind of a co helper
to them IN any way . TIME to expose them all and TIME to POINT ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS .
@Tothalordbeallglory
“God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, And mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
our salvation IS performance based . That is a fact .
BUT WHOSE Performance . WHO did all that was necessary for one to be saved .
JESUS DID . Trust in HIM . In HE ALONE is salvation , IN HE ALONE is ETERNAL LIFE .
But woe unto those who use that lovely name , AS I ONCE DID MYSELF , and pratice and love sin .
And woe unto those who claim they BELEIVE IN HIM , THAT HE IS THE SAVOIR
but then turn around and imply to all them false religoins and atheists
WHO I KNOW DO NOT BELEIVE ON HIM , that we all serving the same GOD differently .
Cause all this means is THEY USE HIS NAME TO PROMOTE A LIE . A DAMNABLE LIE .
Folks better watch out who they be supporting and just who they be co helpers too .
CAUSE if folks are co helper to that which is of ANTI CHRIST
THAT WONT BODE WELL on the day of THE LORD GOD all MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
Broad roads of unbeleif DONT SAVE and any who are a co helper to any who preach this stuff
BE AS GUILTY AS THEY WHO PREACHED that lie . SO LETS ALL FLEE INTERFAITH AND ANY AND ALL
who has any part or lott in that matter .
@Tothalordbeallglory
“Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
You are dodging my question.
I did not ask you if obedience is believing to be saved.
or if obedience comes after one is saved.

Stop the straw man and answer my question with an honest straightforward answer.
I am not dodging your loaded question. I answered your question. It was just not the answer that you wanted to hear.
Baptism for example is a direct commandment, Acts 10:47-48 ; Mark 16:15-16.
After one is saved, yes. (Acts 10:43-47) In Mark 16:16, Jesus clarifies the first clause with ..but he who does not believe will be condemned. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Can any commandment not be obeyed and that person be obedient to God?
Refusing to obey any commandment is not being obedient to God. Can a person pervert the gospel and be obedient to God?
 
I am not dodging your loaded question. I answered your question. It was just not the answer that you wanted to hear.
You are such a liar!!!!
You created your own question by reframing mine. Then answered your own question,
That's called a straw man!!!

This is all you do.
It's your nature to lie.

Refusing to obey any commandment is not being obedient to God. Can a person pervert the gospel and be obedient to God
Finally you answered my question!!!!
You actually showed you can partially answer a question.

Refusing to obey any command is not being obedient to God, you said it, Amen.

Now you remember me on judgment day.
I finally got you to admit truth, John 17:17.

You teach in your gospel one does not have to obey the commandment to be baptized to be saved,
The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation.
So you proved me correct.
You proved I'm not lying about you.
You teach one can be disobedient to the commandment of baptism and still be saved.

Your gospel is salvation with no obedience to the commandment of baptism, Acts 10:47-48.
 
Dan claims he answered my question then lies about me again,
Peter commanded them to be baptized AFTER they believed in Him, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved. (Acts 10:43-47)
Titus is being deceptive, AGAIN. Obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) is obeying God in order to be saved.
This isnt my question!!!
He made this up, then claims I'm being deceptive.
What a liar.
Here my actual question,
Then answer simple straight forward questions.
Prove yourself honest.
Is it possible to be obedient by not obeying Gods commandments?

Your statement above shows you are creating your own definition of obedience.
Answer my question.

Dan, people with honest hearts can see who is being deceptive.
 
You are such a liar!!!!
You created your own question by reframing mine. Then answered your own question,
That's called a straw man!!!
You're just angry because you were unable to trick me into giving you the answer that your itching ears wanted to hear.
This is all you do.
It's your nature to lie.
I'm beginning to believe that you have some serious issues. :(
Finally you answered my question!!!!
You actually showed you can partially answer a question.
Partially answered your question? o_O
Refusing to obey any command is not being obedient to God, you said it, Amen.
Duh. Now answer my question. Who has been 100% obedient to ALL of God's commands 100% of the time?
Now you remember me on judgment day.
I finally got you to admit truth, John 17:17.
Don't flatter yourself. I already did admit the truth about being obedient. You just don't have ears to hear.
You teach in your gospel one does not have to obey the commandment to be baptized to be saved,
That's because water baptism is not a part of the gospel. (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) So, what happened to baptism in (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11;25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 16:31; Romans 3:24-26; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; Ephesians 2:8,9; 1 John 5:13 etc..). The command to be water baptized is for those already saved (Acts 10:43-47) and I have obeyed that command after I was saved. You seem to have more faith in water baptism to save you than you do in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ to save you. Sad.
So you proved me correct.
You proved I'm not lying about you.
Only in your delusional world of unbelief.
You teach one can be disobedient to the commandment of baptism and still be saved.
In the first place, baptism is a command for those already saved and not a command in order to become saved. (Acts 10:43-47) Second, if someone truly believes and is saved then why would they refuse to be water baptized afterwards? I can't name one Christian that I know who refused to be water baptized. Your gospel is baptized or condemned, yet Jesus said believe or condemned. (John 3:18) Jesus never said baptized or condemned. You are teaching a false gospel.
Your gospel is salvation with no obedience to the commandment of baptism, Acts 10:47-48.
My gospel is whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. (Acts 10:43) The command to be water baptized comes after one has believed and is saved. (Acts 10:47-48) These Gentiles in Acts 10 received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the spiritual gift of tongues from the Holy Spirit (which is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) after believing the gospel but before being water baptized. (Acts 10:44-47) Now baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for these Gentiles. It was a command (Acts 10:48) that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but their believing in Christ for salvation. (Acts 10:43)

Your gospel is "water baptized or condemned" which is a "different" gospel.
 
Dan claims he answered my question then lies about me again,

This isnt my question!!!
He made this up, then claims I'm being deceptive.
What a liar.
Here my actual question,

Dan, people with honest hearts can see who is being deceptive.
I'm not lying about you, Titus. Your true colors are obvious and people with honest hearts can see right through you.
 
Dan's perversion of obedience.
Obey just means to believe,
Obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) is obeying God in order to be saved. (Romans 1:16) Now after we have been saved - By this we know that we have come to know Him
So heres Dan's gospel teaching on obedience. Obey means to believe in his religion.
That's all it means.
Except when he contradicts himself and teaches obedience is more than just belief,
Refusing to obey any commandment is not being obedient to God. Can a person pervert the gospel and be obedient to God?
Now he teaches any commandment not obeyed is not obedience.

It cannot be both!!!
Either to obey any commandment is obedience.
Or the word obey only means to believe.

Clearly a contradiction.

Obedience means much more than just to believe the gospel.
And Dan already admitted it,

Refusing to obey any commandment is not being obedient to God. Can a person pervert the gospel and be obedient to God?
No they cannot.
Since you teach obeying the commandment of baptism is unnecessary.
You have perverted the gospel.

Romans 6:17,
- but God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered
This obedience was to gospel baptism,
Romans 6:1-6,
- dont you know, that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey you are that ones slave whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness

Paul has always taught obedient faith saves.

Acts 10:47-48,
- can anyone forbid water that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit as we have
- and Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord

In the name of the Lord is by the authority of God.
Dan teaches you do not need to obey this commandment to be saved.
Therefore his gospel is faith alone and no obedience to be saved.

Colossians 3:16,17,
- let the word of Christ dwell in you
- and whatever you do in word or work do all in the name of the Lord Jesus

Dan teaches you can be saved without doing everything in the name of the Lord Jesus.
 
Refusing to obey any commandment is not being obedient to God. Can a person pervert the gospel and be obedient to God?
Dan teaches baptism is unnecessary to be saved even though it is a commandment,
Acts 10:46-47,
- and Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus

Folks Dan teaches you dont need to be baptized to be saved.
You can still go to heaven if you do not do ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

Acts 10:47-48 = Colossians 3:17,

- and Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus
- whatever you do in word or work do ALL, ALL in the name of the Lord Jesus
 
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