No mention of a "plan" still.
God is a timeless being. There is no past or future, only the present.
Jacob and Esau
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God is a timeless being. There is no past or future, only the present.
praise_yeshua
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Nope. Same yesterday, today and forever.
Do you have a problem with English?
God is Eternal. Not timeless. Eternal is never ending time.
Not that you'll ever understand this. You prefer things that feed your ego.
God is the creator of time. He does not exist in time.
civic
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praise_yeshua
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You respond with philosophy. Not Scriptures.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
You are incapable of having this discussion. I didn't quote you to have a conversation with you. I responded to show how ignorant you are.
praise_yeshua
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Where does the Bible say time was created ?
I’ll get the popcornready
It doesn't. He is incapable of having the discussion. He isn't a student of the Scriptures. He is the disciple of lesser stock than those who wrote the Scriptures.
praise_yeshua
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Tell you what, I'll have this discussion with either @Johann or @The Rogue Tomato. I'm not going to respond to someone that repeats themselves over and over again while pretending I didn't say anything.
"All things", by Him and for Him.Where does the Bible say time was created ?
I’ll get the popcorn
Because you say something does not mean it's relevant. But, suit yourself.
civic
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Yep just more presuppositions
civic
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Where does the Bible say time is a created thing ?
praise_yeshua
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"All things" are all of a kind. You should recognize this argument. You use it to exclude "things" all the time.
You have to love how a Calvinist ignores their own doctrines.
praise_yeshua
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The fact you make statements that can equally be applied to both of us........... shows just how lost you are in any sense of debate ethics.
Does all mean all without exception yes or no?
Time had a beginning so according to your logic God also had a beginning.
Shhh......you will not converse with me remember?
I guess you would know about losing debates if anyone would. Practice
praise_yeshua
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No. It doesn't.
Any evidence that time has a beginning?
You're simply appealing to "all things" without exception. I suppose Jesus became mutable in the Incarnation?
that is what your friend @Johann believes.
praise_yeshua
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I can change my mind just like God does.
I'll certainly continue as long as you recognize everything I say in response to you.
LOL, your the same people who scream all means all.
Easy
God created all things including time. God is not subject to the rules of time.
That's okay. You can take your ball and go home.
Johann
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This might be helpful--
Throughout history, many theologians and philosophers have explored the concept of God as the creator of time. While ancient scholarly works may not use the language of modern physics or cosmology, they often grapple with the idea of God's relationship to time and His role as its creator. Here are a few examples:
Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD): In his seminal work "Confessions" and other writings, Augustine discusses God's relationship to time extensively. He posited that God exists outside of time and that time itself is a creation of God. Augustine's reflections on the nature of time profoundly influenced later Christian thought.
Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274 AD): Aquinas, in his "Summa Theologica" and other writings, explored the nature of God's eternity and His relationship to time. He argued that God is eternal and exists beyond time, being the creator of time and space.
Maimonides (1135-1204 AD): In his "Guide for the Perplexed," Maimonides, a Jewish philosopher, discussed the concept of God's eternity and His relationship to time. He argued that God's eternity is beyond human comprehension and that time is a creation of God.
Plotinus (204-270 AD): Plotinus, a Neoplatonic philosopher, wrote extensively on metaphysics, including the nature of the divine. He proposed that the One (the ultimate reality) is beyond time and is the source of all existence, including time itself.
Plato (428/427-348/347 BC): While not explicitly addressing the concept of God creating time, Plato's dialogues, particularly the "Timaeus," discuss the creation of the cosmos by a divine craftsman (the Demiurge). This creation includes the imposition of order, which could be seen as the establishment of temporal sequence.
These ancient scholars and philosophers grappled with profound questions about the nature of God, existence, and the universe, including the idea of God as the creator of time. While their perspectives may vary based on cultural and religious backgrounds, they collectively contributed to the development of theological and philosophical thought on this topic.
Shalom.
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