brightfame52
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Its the House of David, and the its fulfilled in the Call of the Gentiles. Thats what Acts 15 reveals, the Call of the Gentiles is building again of the House of David.
Israel is the Elect of God
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praise_yeshua
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There are plenty of indications this is true. Take for example, what will Christ do when He returns? He will rule this world. Even then, the last battle will take place after Satan is let loose and deceives this world again. The "idea" that Christ will convert everyone at His physical return isn't real.
I see Christ reigning in the nations. That appears in scripture. I don't see Israel being recreated.
it is the temple. we are that temple -- whatever bloodlines that accept Christ.
Israel religion is cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:38) see at Matt 23 Jesus tells them off, he says they shut the kingdom of God(23:13) up to all who listen to them. He did leave the door open( 23:39)- to this day they have outright refused to do it. they remain cut off. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen not literal Israel. Made up of any human on earth who obey the real Jesus.
brightfame52
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The gentiles are the House of David
jeremiah1five
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How can it be a "Gentile world" when all the Scripture from Genesis to Revelation - including the four gospels - is the history of the Hebrew people and their culture, their covenants, their judges, their kings and and their people, their religion and their relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Under the Law the animal sacrifices were to atone for the sins of the children of Israel, not for Gentiles. Christ came and fulfilled the Law and as the lamb of God was sacrificed under the Law for the children of Israel since the Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel. So, why do you want to add to the Bible things that are not there such as "Gentile world." The "Gentile world" (non-Hebrews) hated Israel, they hated the Jews and in hating the Jews they in truth hate God. The whole Bible is a history of the Hebrew people and their relationship with THEIR God. Gentiles have no covenant with God and this false doctrine that Gentiles are included in the Hebrew covenants is a lie, a great delusion that has affected Gentiles.
The mystery mentioned in the Bible is "Christ in you" meaning God Himself dwelling in the believer, the born-again believer. There was nothing in the Old Testament of God dwelling within a covenant Hebrew/Jew until Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant IS Christ Himself - not an animal - fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant and NOW God is able through this act of the Son to put in the inward parts of His covenant people His Law who is the Holy Spirit Himself for as Jesus said, the kingdom of God is within you."
jeremiah1five
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If Israel is cut off as you say then this means God will not keep covenant, will not keep His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the children of Jacob/Israel.
Take notice what the Word of God says here:
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.
Cut off does not mean "everlasting" and I'd rather receive what is written over your erroneous re-interpretation of the Scripture. Jesus said, "Scripture cannot be broken" and the Scripture He was referring to is the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets. The same Hebrew Scripture the apostles including Saul taught the people from.
Christ promised to build His Church and He began building His Church on the Day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) in which He saved three thousand Jews, and Acts 2:47 say Christ added to His Church daily such as should be saved and in the days, weeks, months and years to come more Jews were born-again and added to Christ's Church. For the next four decades until the Romans (Gentiles) destroyed Israel and the Jewish Temple Jews were being baptized into the body of Christ by the thousands.
But before the birth of Christ where are Gentiles? Were they claiming to be in the Abrahamic Covenant? Even when Jesus walked the Holy Land where are Gentiles claiming Jesus as Lord? Where are Gentiles being sprinkled by the blood of the animal sacrifice slain for the sins of the children of Israel? The fact is NO GENTILES were ever claiming to be in the Abrahamic Covenant and the reason is because the covenants were between God and the Hebrew people. It was only AFTER the destruction of the Jewish Temple and the scattering of Jews into Gentile lands that Gentiles stole everything God gave to the Hebrew people through covenant and prophecy. Gentiles only began to steal Israel's inheritance AFTER Israel was scattered and their Temple destroyed.
Scripture cannot be broken. This means that anything that is written in the gospels or in the letters by Saul, Peter, John, James, IF what they say contradicts what is written in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets is to be rejected as a lie and there are many lies put forth by Gentiles since the destruction of the Jewish Temple. Gentiles are guilty of Inheritance theft, and they do it by interpreting Saul's letters, Peter's letter, John's letters, etc., that places those interpretations against the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. THESE are the Scripture that CANNOT be broken (and they will never do that.) God controls everything. He will not allow anyone to manipulate, add, change, subtract His Word of Truth.
you have to catch up on your reading. Some people complain about doctrine of limited atonement. you have taken that concept to the depths of Sheol and really speak badly about the ability of God.
praise_yeshua
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Never said it would.
brightfame52
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The Gentiles are the House of David, the.Mystery, the The world God loves John 3:16 is Israel that God loved
jeremiah1five
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Limited atonement where the Hebrews are concerned? No.
It is not limited because as Saul said:
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom. 11:26–27.
And here is the prophecy Saul is referring:
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion,
And unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD;
My spirit that is upon thee,
And my words which I have put in thy mouth,
Shall not depart out of thy mouth,
Nor out of the mouth of thy seed,
Nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD,
From henceforth and for ever.
Isaiah 59:20–21.
And again, prophecy in support that ALL Israel shall be saved.
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:33–34.
This is covenant between the God of Abraham and his seed, the children of Israel.
Atonement is limited to the Hebrews alone and atonement is extended to every Hebrew seed of Abraham.
Atonement is promised to the children of Israel and atonement is fulfilled by God towards His Chosen people: Israel.
jeremiah1five
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Really? What Hebrew tribe do Gentiles come from?
The problem with your statement is that there is nothing in the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets that says such a thing. If there is no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New.
Gentiles from the House of David is just another attempt by Gentiles to find some way to include themselves in the Hebrew covenants.
Gentiles are under a strong delusion that they should believe a lie, Gentiles from the assembly of Satan that say they are Jews but are not.
brightfame52
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Yes really. The Jacob God loved is the World God so loved Jn 3:16
Great. You get a few things right and several things misunderstood. Maybe study the scripture so you don't mess up so much and use passages without understanding them.
If you believe scripture cannot be broken, then stop breaking it. Learn what the message of scripture is before you try pushing something derived from your deceptive vision.
Good. we will leave the earthly people of Israel in its completed status of the first century, never to have another person added to it in a covenantal sense.
praise_yeshua
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Hebrews states rather clearly that "they without us" shall not be made perfect. We can't leave anyone out of God's Kingdom that shall never end. There is no division in that group.
jeremiah1five
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Jacob was not of the world. He was Hebrew born into a family of Hebrews and the 'world' you speak of are all those non-Hebrew souls that are outside the covenants God made with the Hebrew people.
And the sign of the covenant is circumcision of the flesh and later circumcision of the 'heart' and as Saul said, the natural, worldly man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God neither can he/she know them because they have not the Spirit of God.
God has covenant with the Hebrews.
God has no covenant with the world.
jeremiah1five
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We are to take Scripture as written. It is literal. God says what He means and means what He says. You can spiritualize it all you want but unless you first take it literally then no amount of spiritualizing will you come to the knowledge of the truth.
When Scripture clearly says "[Jesus Christ] was born under the Law to redeem those under the Law (children of Israel)" then Jesus Christ came, lived and died and resurrected under the Law to redeem those under the Law (the children of Israel) then believe it. There is nothing deceptive in believing what the Word of God says. The deception comes when Gentiles make every attempt at stealing what God gave to the Hebrew people and to turn it into a Gentile salvation. Salvation is NOT of the Gentiles. Salvation is OF THE JEWS. This has been the central point in the whole of the bible.
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