Is there a present burning hell where departed souls of the wicked are sent?

Keiw1 said:
I don't read long posts.
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Either you are a liar (good chance) or, you read my post and decided against addressing it, which maybe both are true. The Pharisees and Sadducees (which you are their children) were known to be liars.

Keiw1 said:
Through him and for him= Another did the creating= his God and Father.
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You are void of the Spirit of God, Mr. antichrist!

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Hebrews 1:2​


“Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

Jesus Christ was a complex person~fully God, and fully man! Truly the Godman. He and his Father were ONE in their Divine nature~Jesus truly is the Alpha and the Omega the everlasting Father of all things!

Revelation 1:8​


“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

Isaiah 9:6​


“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Keiw1 said:
was used as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one who was beside God during the creation and gives=HE(God) 100% credit for all the creating done at Prov 8.
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This scripture is not speaking of Jesus Christ, you have taken the bait of RCC hook, line and stinker!

Proverbs 8:30

“Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

The LORD, Jehovah of the Bible, (not of the Jehovah of the JW's) has had infinite wisdom forever. There is not, and never was, any limit to His understanding. Some call His infinite wisdom omniscience, but it is far more than knowledge of all things. It is perfect understanding of any situation and the perfect response to it. Lady Wisdom, personifying wisdom in this chapter, was always with God, for He has always been the only wise God (I Tim 1:17; Jude 1:25).

This proverb is often perverted to teach that Jesus is a begotten God – a secondary God generated by the Father. Heretics crept into the church 150 years after the apostles and taught that the deity of Jesus Christ was derived from His Father. They taught that Jehovah begat a Son in eternity by a mysterious process of eternal generation. You can read this blasphemy in John 1:18 of the NASV. Jehovah’s Witnesses, blasphemous heretics themselves, love such a devilish doctrine, for Jesus is a subordinate god to them.

Jesus is not a begotten God at all. Jesus is the mighty God (Is 9:6). Jesus is Jehovah, the fulness of the Godhead in a body (Col 2:9). Jesus is I AM THAT I AM. Jesus is the Everlasting Father (Is 9:6). Jesus is the Word of God made flesh (John 1:1,14). Jehovah never begat a god or a son in its divine nature. Jehovah had a Son named Jesus, when He brought about Mary’s conception; it is this miraculous birth that makes Jesus God’s Son (Luke 1:35). Only after this birth, this incarnation of deity in humanity, did God have a Son (John 1:14,18). This is the great mystery of godliness (I Tim 3:16). Believe it!

The most important message of the New Testament is that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God, and it is this precise doctrine you must believe and defend. A derived, begotten, generated, or otherwise inferior deity from eternity is not the Son of God. The divine nature of Jesus was and is undivided, unbegotten, unoriginated, and ungenerated. He was and is the Word of God, without origin, begetting, generation, or any other manmade idea (John 1:1). He is Jehovah. Jesus is not an eternal Son. He is the eternal God. He became the Son of God by His glorious incarnation in Mary’s womb (Luke 1:35; Gal 4:4).

These heretics ignorantly reject the personification of wisdom in this chapter. The proverb does not speak of God having a little boy playing with Him in eternity! Lady Wisdom speaks, and she is figuratively describing herself as always having been with the LORD of heaven and earth. Read Pr 8:22 again. Here it is: “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.” God has always had wisdom.

If this proverb describes the divine nature of Jesus in eternity, as some false teachers say, then the divine nature of Jesus is female, for the pronouns are feminine! Wisdom is a woman by personification in this chapter and the other places where Solomon used the figure. If Jesus is intended here, then He was just a female spectator at creation (Pr 8:27).

Enough with their heresy!

Keiw1 said:
John would have lied through his teeth if he said Jesus were God. He as well would have called Jesus a liar by doing as you claim--John 17:3--A prayer to Jesus Father= The one who sent Jesus= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. That is 100% what John knew.
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The only liar here would be you, and your false cult known as the Jehovah flees witnesses that started back in the 1870s.

Keiw1 said:
Jesus started the JW religion back in the beginning of the NT.
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Dream on ~ Mr. broad jumper and thief. Your fathers were there, known as the Sadducees.

Kewi 1: Alls because of an error at John 1:1 in your altered translations. You see, even the trinity scholars know 100% that in the Greek lexicons the word is not called capitol G God in those Lexicons. They refuse to say truth because, those religions would all be proven false, all those religions would lose billions of dollars yearly, and 2 billion humans would sue them for stealing their money because they do know.
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Wishingful thinking on your part, and pitiful at that. Is this the best you can do? You are out of your league, go back and play church with your deluded followers.
 
Red Baker said:
Either you are a liar (good chance) or, you read my post and decided against addressing it, which maybe both are true. The Pharisees and Sadducees (which you are their children) were known to be liars.


You are void of the Spirit of God, Mr. antichrist!

​

Hebrews 1:2​


“Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

Jesus Christ was a complex person~fully God, and fully man! Truly the Godman. He and his Father were ONE in their Divine nature~Jesus truly is the Alpha and the Omega the everlasting Father of all things!

Revelation 1:8​


“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

Isaiah 9:6​


“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”


This scripture is not speaking of Jesus Christ, you have taken the bait of RCC hook, line and stinker!

Proverbs 8:30

“Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

The LORD, Jehovah of the Bible, (not of the Jehovah of the JW's) has had infinite wisdom forever. There is not, and never was, any limit to His understanding. Some call His infinite wisdom omniscience, but it is far more than knowledge of all things. It is perfect understanding of any situation and the perfect response to it. Lady Wisdom, personifying wisdom in this chapter, was always with God, for He has always been the only wise God (I Tim 1:17; Jude 1:25).

This proverb is often perverted to teach that Jesus is a begotten God – a secondary God generated by the Father. Heretics crept into the church 150 years after the apostles and taught that the deity of Jesus Christ was derived from His Father. They taught that Jehovah begat a Son in eternity by a mysterious process of eternal generation. You can read this blasphemy in John 1:18 of the NASV. Jehovah’s Witnesses, blasphemous heretics themselves, love such a devilish doctrine, for Jesus is a subordinate god to them.

Jesus is not a begotten God at all. Jesus is the mighty God (Is 9:6). Jesus is Jehovah, the fulness of the Godhead in a body (Col 2:9). Jesus is I AM THAT I AM. Jesus is the Everlasting Father (Is 9:6). Jesus is the Word of God made flesh (John 1:1,14). Jehovah never begat a god or a son in its divine nature. Jehovah had a Son named Jesus, when He brought about Mary’s conception; it is this miraculous birth that makes Jesus God’s Son (Luke 1:35). Only after this birth, this incarnation of deity in humanity, did God have a Son (John 1:14,18). This is the great mystery of godliness (I Tim 3:16). Believe it!

The most important message of the New Testament is that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God, and it is this precise doctrine you must believe and defend. A derived, begotten, generated, or otherwise inferior deity from eternity is not the Son of God. The divine nature of Jesus was and is undivided, unbegotten, unoriginated, and ungenerated. He was and is the Word of God, without origin, begetting, generation, or any other manmade idea (John 1:1). He is Jehovah. Jesus is not an eternal Son. He is the eternal God. He became the Son of God by His glorious incarnation in Mary’s womb (Luke 1:35; Gal 4:4).

These heretics ignorantly reject the personification of wisdom in this chapter. The proverb does not speak of God having a little boy playing with Him in eternity! Lady Wisdom speaks, and she is figuratively describing herself as always having been with the LORD of heaven and earth. Read Pr 8:22 again. Here it is: “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.” God has always had wisdom.

If this proverb describes the divine nature of Jesus in eternity, as some false teachers say, then the divine nature of Jesus is female, for the pronouns are feminine! Wisdom is a woman by personification in this chapter and the other places where Solomon used the figure. If Jesus is intended here, then He was just a female spectator at creation (Pr 8:27).

Enough with their heresy!


The only liar here would be you, and your false cult known as the Jehovah flees witnesses that started back in the 1870s.


Dream on ~ Mr. broad jumper and thief. Your fathers were there, known as the Sadducees.


Wishingful thinking on your part, and pitiful at that. Is this the best you can do? You are out of your league, go back and play church with your deluded followers.
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Isaiah is clear= his NAME will be called those things.
And please tell us all when did God appoint you as my judge? Or are you elevating yourself into Jesus' position in your darkness?
Jesus became wisdom- 1Cor 1:30)= Jesus is Gods master worker of Prov 8. Wisdom cannot be a master worker, a living being is= the one who was beside God during the creation. He gives God=HE all credit for creating. As does the bible.
Let us= Jehovah and his master worker, make man in our image.
Col 1:16-created by( as a master worker not the creator) and THROUGH and for = another did the creating through and for Jesus.
Undeniable bible proof= Gen 1:27= HE( not we) created man
Prov 8:27-28= HE( not we) created
Isaiah 40:26= HE( not we)created.= proving your us in Let us is false, by your religion that lives in darkness and reality= their Father is the devil. Its why those religionsssssssssssss are a house divided, they will not stand. The real cult to Gods view.
 
Keiw1 said:
And please tell us all when did God appoint you as my judge? Or are you elevating yourself into Jesus' position in your darkness?
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Have you never read so much as this:

Matthew 16:19~"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
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“Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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The sense of the words is this, that Peter, and so the rest of the apostles, (all elders of the saints should be empowered with authority from him, and so directed by his Holy Spirit, that whatever they bound, that is, declared to be forbidden, and unlawful, should be so: and that whatever they loosed, that is, declared to be lawful, and free of use, should be so; and accordingly they bound some things which before were loosed, and loosed some things which before were bound; for instance, they bound, that is, prohibited, or declared unlawful, the use of circumcision, which before, and until the death of Christ, was enjoined the natural seed of Abraham; but that, and all ceremonies, being abolished by the death of Christ, they declared it to be nothing, and of no avail, yea, hurtful and pernicious; that whoever was circumcised, Christ profited him nothing, and that he was a debtor to do the whole law: they affirmed, that the believing Gentiles were not to be troubled with it; that it was a yoke not fit to be put upon their necks, which they, and their fathers, were not able to bear, ( Galatians 5:1 Galatians 5:3 Galatians 5:6 ) ( Acts 15:10 Acts 15:19 ) .

So much more could be added~so, every spirit filled child of God has power/authority to declare truth and to expose with a curse false cults. You have a problem with this?
Keiw1 said:
Jesus became wisdom- 1Cor 1:30)= Jesus is Gods master worker of Prov 8. Wisdom cannot be a master worker, a living being is= the one who was beside God during the creation. He gives God=HE all credit for creating. As does the bible.
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Already addressed this above. Take what I said and prove me wrong, of course, that will never happen from a cult like the JW's, who are void of truth, because they have not the Spirit of the Living God in them.
Keiw1 said:
Isaiah is clear= his NAME will be called those things.
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Correct, but this one person, who is called by several names was a child that was born, a son that was given!
Isaiah 9:6,7~"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."
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The great mystery of godliness that's hidden from your eyes, is that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, yet God was not Jesus! God was not born ~ Mary did not give birth to God as the RCC vainly teach. She gave birth to the Son of God begotten by him around two thousand years ago! Jesus is one with his father in their eternal Divine nature~making him the everlasting father of all things.

John 1:1-18~"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
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The Word which was God, joined himself to the tabernacle of Jesus Christ, which is in the bosom of the Father, and was made flesh for all to see, and hear for the first time, ever in the flesh. This Jesus was equal to God, and said it very plainly...I and my Father are ONE~yet, also said that his Father is greater than he was,.......but he was only speaking of his humanity, not his deity~both are absolutely true.

Enough for now. I do not want you to have an excuse of not reading long posts.
 
Red Baker said:
Have you never read so much as this:




The sense of the words is this, that Peter, and so the rest of the apostles, (all elders of the saints should be empowered with authority from him, and so directed by his Holy Spirit, that whatever they bound, that is, declared to be forbidden, and unlawful, should be so: and that whatever they loosed, that is, declared to be lawful, and free of use, should be so; and accordingly they bound some things which before were loosed, and loosed some things which before were bound; for instance, they bound, that is, prohibited, or declared unlawful, the use of circumcision, which before, and until the death of Christ, was enjoined the natural seed of Abraham; but that, and all ceremonies, being abolished by the death of Christ, they declared it to be nothing, and of no avail, yea, hurtful and pernicious; that whoever was circumcised, Christ profited him nothing, and that he was a debtor to do the whole law: they affirmed, that the believing Gentiles were not to be troubled with it; that it was a yoke not fit to be put upon their necks, which they, and their fathers, were not able to bear, ( Galatians 5:1 Galatians 5:3 Galatians 5:6 ) ( Acts 15:10 Acts 15:19 ) .

So much more could be added~so, every spirit filled child of God has power/authority to declare truth and to expose with a curse false cults. You have a problem with this?

Already addressed this above. Take what I said and prove me wrong, of course, that will never happen from a cult like the JW's, who are void of truth, because they have not the Spirit of the Living God in them.

Correct, but this one person, who is called by several names was a child that was born, a son that was given!

The great mystery of godliness that's hidden from your eyes, is that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, yet God was not Jesus! God was not born ~ Mary did not give birth to God as the RCC vainly teach. She gave birth to the Son of God begotten by him around two thousand years ago! Jesus is one with his father in their eternal Divine nature~making him the everlasting father of all things.


The Word which was God, joined himself to the tabernacle of Jesus Christ, which is in the bosom of the Father, and was made flesh for all to see, and hear for the first time, ever in the flesh. This Jesus was equal to God, and said it very plainly...I and my Father are ONE~yet, also said that his Father is greater than he was,.......but he was only speaking of his humanity, not his deity~both are absolutely true.

Enough for now. I do not want you to have an excuse of not reading long posts.
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Only the little flock will sit on thrones and be given power to judge. Not the great crowd. You aren't part of the little flock that is 100% guarantee. You aren't even apart of the great crowd and only those 2 parts of the flock will get saved.
One in purpose= living to do his Fathers will. And you have 0 proof the Father is greater than i means as his humanity. But 1Cor 15:24-28 which occurs by Rev 21 beginning= Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself))))= forever--proving your assumption is error.
 
Keiw1 said:
Only the little flock will sit on thrones and be given power to judge. Not the great crowd. You aren't part of the little flock that is 100% guarantee.
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Agreed ~ that God's elect are few in number, in comparison to the multitudes that have lived and died in this world since its beginning.

Keiw1 said:
You aren't even apart of the great crowd and only those 2 parts of the flock will get saved.
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Thankfully, I'm not part of the great crowd as you called them.

Provide scriptures where it is said that only two parts will be saved. I'll show you where only one third of the whole will be saved from sin and condemnation leaving the other 66% under the judgment of Almighty God~ever heard of 666 which is the mark of the beast? This mark is human depravity, and every man is born with it, some, a few, a third part, or a small remnant among the multitudes, will inherit the New Heavens and the new earth, and that world without end!

Revelation 13:18​


“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

I'll support what I teach with scriptures:

Zechariah 13:8​


“And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.”

Zechariah 13:9​


“And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.”

Your religion is from the bottomless pit, where your king lives.
Keiw1 said:
One in purpose= living to do his Fathers will.
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You're a lying false prophet! Jesus Christ is one in his Deity with his Father as the I AM THAT I AM!

Keiw1 said:
And you have 0 proof the Father is greater than i means as his humanity. But 1Cor 15:24-28 which occurs by Rev 21 beginning= Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself))))= forever--proving your assumption is error.
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I'm coming back and make a whole post addressing this corruption of yours. Let me see if God's word will support my understanding, pretty sure it will, but, I'm sure that means nothing to men like you.
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Red Baker said:
Agreed ~ that God's elect are few in number, in comparison to the multitudes that have lived and died in this world since its beginning.


Thankfully, I'm not part of the great crowd as you called them.

Provide scriptures where it is said that only two parts will be saved. I'll show you where only one third of the whole will be saved from sin and condemnation leaving the other 66% under the judgment of Almighty God~ever heard of 666 which is the mark of the beast? This mark is human depravity, and every man is born with it, some, a few, a third part, or a small remnant among the multitudes, will inherit the New Heavens and the new earth, and that world without end!

Revelation 13:18​


“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

I'll support what I teach with scriptures:

Zechariah 13:8​


“And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.”

Zechariah 13:9​


“And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.”

Your religion is from the bottomless pit, where your king lives.

You're a lying false prophet! Jesus Christ is one in his Deity with his Father as the I AM THAT I AM!


I'm coming back and make a whole post addressing this corruption of yours. Let me see if God's word will support my understanding, pretty sure it will, but, I'm sure that means nothing to men like you.
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Number of a man= number is the key, not man.
Zec 13:9 says--YHVH(Jehovah) is my God.--in a real bible translation.
 
Keiw1 said:
Number of a man= number is the key, not man.
Zec 13:9 says--YHVH(Jehovah) is my God.--in a real bible translation.
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You make no sense, but what should we expect from Russellites, Millennial Dawnists, Rutherfordites? Just what we get, confusion, and words spoken with no authority just like your forefathers, the Sadducees.
 
Red Baker said:
You make no sense, but what should we expect from Russellites, Millennial Dawnists, Rutherfordites? Just what we get, confusion, and words spoken with no authority just like your forefathers, the Sadducees.
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You will find out the opposite.
Reality=number of a man= ((((( 7 = complete in the numbers of men, thus 6 falls short of complete. 666= 3 things in the power positions on earth, all saying we promise you a better way of life=falling short at every turn.
Govts-6
false religions-6
commercial system-6
Gods kingdom-7
 
Keiw1 said:
You will find out the opposite.
Reality=number of a man= ((((( 7 = complete in the numbers of men, thus 6 falls short of complete. 666= 3 things in the power positions on earth, all saying we promise you a better way of life=falling short at every turn.
Govts-6
false religions-6
commercial system-6
Gods kingdom-7
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Your man concocted doctrine is easily proven false, especially so if you fail (which you have) to provide connected scriptures which would give your position a consideration to be tested, which you can never do. I provided proof from the Prophet Zechariah, whom your generation slew...known in the word of God as this generation!

Matthew 23:34-36~"Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation."
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There is only one generation that can possible fit the meaning of THIS generation~the generation of little serpents, children of the old serpent!

Matthew 23:33​


“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” That is...the lake of fire, when God shall destroy this world (a doctrine that you little serpents reject) with fervent heat.

You will lose your debating with me, not because I'm gifted, but because I believe the word of the Living God, and live by every word therein just as God gave it, which all of God's children do, and doing so, God will defend US, not a lying cult like Jehovah False witnesses...who are void of the Spirit of God.

You might want to call some of your door to door pimps to help out. Those pimps generally work when the man of the house are not there, they prey on the weaker sex, or, weak minded men,
 
Red Baker said:
Your man concocted doctrine is easily proven false, especially so if you fail (which you have) to provide connected scriptures which would give your position a consideration to be tested, which you can never do. I provided proof from the Prophet Zechariah, whom your generation slew...known in the word of God as this generation!


There is only one generation that can possible fit the meaning of THIS generation~the generation of little serpents, children of the old serpent!

Matthew 23:33​


“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” That is...the lake of fire, when God shall destroy this world (a doctrine that you little serpents reject) with fervent heat.

You will lose your debating with me, not because I'm gifted, but because I believe the word of the Living God, and live by every word therein just as God gave it, which all of God's children do, and doing so, God will defend US, not a lying cult like Jehovah False witnesses...who are void of the Spirit of God.

You might want to call some of your door to door pimps to help out. Those pimps generally work when the man of the house are not there, they prey on the weaker sex, or, weak minded men,
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You don't believe Jesus and yet you say you believe Gods word=darkness.
 
Keiw1 said:
You don't believe Jesus and yet you say you believe Gods word=darkness.
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I believe that Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh~can you make the same confession? No you cannot, so, who's in darkness? This is your chance to show if you have darkness or light concerning this litmus test, one of many that could be given, which you cannot get past the first and the most important one.
 
Keiw1 said:
You don't believe Jesus and yet you say you believe Gods word=darkness.
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Btw, is this the best you can come up with after my post to you? Pitiful. You guys can only deceive simple minded people, who you prey upon, mostly women at home while their husbands are away. A generation of serpents are the Jehovah false Witnesses.
 
Red Baker said:
I believe that Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh~can you make the same confession? No you cannot, so, who's in darkness? This is your chance to show if you have darkness or light concerning this litmus test, one of many that could be given, which you cannot get past the first and the most important one.
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Because i believe Jesus. All his true followers do= John 17:3--The one who sent Jesus = FATHER is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
 
Red Baker said:
Btw, is this the best you can come up with after my post to you? Pitiful. You guys can only deceive simple minded people, who you prey upon, mostly women at home while their husbands are away. A generation of serpents are the Jehovah false Witnesses.
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You will see this day= They will have to know i( not we) am Jehovah.
 
Keiw1 said:
Because i believe Jesus. All his true followers do= John 17:3--The one who sent Jesus = FATHER is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
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Have you never read so much as this:

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Isaiah 9:6​


“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father of all things! The only God, men, or angels, will ever see.

Keiw1 said:
You will see this day= They will have to know i( not we) am Jehovah.
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Jesus Christ in his deity is the I AM THAT I AM.

Romans 9:5​


“Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.”

Jesus Christ is the very God who created all things~as concerning the flesh, he came into the world; he IS God blessed for ever, being the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending of all things.

Your jesus is another jesus, having another gospel, under the power of another spirit, which is not of God. 2nd Corinthians 11:4.

Consider:
  1. Isaiah 7:14 cp Matthew 1:23 The son born to Mary was by angelic witness – God with us.
  2. Isaiah 9:6 His names among others include The Mighty God and The Everlasting Father.
  3. Ist John 5:7 cp I John 1:1...Many argue ignorantly this verse is spurious, but we will only contend from the KJV. The King James Version stands or falls with Ist John 5:7, for God blessed both. The authenticity of this text has been confirmed by early church writings. We do not fear or apologize for this text. Many do not use the KJV but avoid Ist John 5:7. When we encounter a person too stubborn or ignorant to accept it, we let them alone. There are three in heaven –~Persons; there is only one in heaven – Nature or Godhead . The Word is one with the Father and Holy Ghost in the single Divine Nature of God. The Word became flesh in the complex Person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 1:14).
John 1;1,14,18; Plus, so many more.......
 
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Red Baker said:
Have you never read so much as this:

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Isaiah 9:6​


“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father of all things! The only God, men, or angels, will ever see.


Jesus Christ in his deity is the I AM THAT I AM.

Romans 9:5​


“Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.”

Jesus Christ is the very God who created all things~as concerning the flesh, he came into the world; he IS God blessed for ever, being the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending of all things.

Your jesus is another jesus, having another gospel, under the power of another spirit, which is not of God. 2nd Corinthians 11:4.

Consider:
  1. Isaiah 7:14 cp Matthew 1:23 The son born to Mary was by angelic witness – God with us.
  2. Isaiah 9:6 His names among others include The Mighty God and The Everlasting Father.
  3. Ist John 5:7 cp I John 1:1...Many argue ignorantly this verse is spurious, but we will only contend from the KJV. The King James Version stands or falls with Ist John 5:7, for God blessed both. The authenticity of this text has been confirmed by early church writings. We do not fear or apologize for this text. Many do not use the KJV but avoid Ist John 5:7. When we encounter a person too stubborn or ignorant to accept it, we let them alone. There are three in heaven –~Persons; there is only one in heaven – Nature or Godhead . The Word is one with the Father and Holy Ghost in the single Divine Nature of God. The Word became flesh in the complex Person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 1:14).
John 1;1,14,18; Plus, so many more.......
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Isaiah 9:6= his NAME will becalled those things.
There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT=100% fact. Its only found in error filled translations-TO MISLEAD.
If your version of what is said is true, then Jesus lied at John 17:3 and we all know he didn't lie, thus its you in error. Its understandable out of the altered and error filled translation you use.
 
Keiw1 said:
Isaiah 9:6= his NAME will becalled those things.
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For now~Whose name shall be called those names that are mentioned in Isaiah 9:6?

The child that is born, the Son that is given! Which can only refer to ONE PERSON~Jesus Christ, the Son of God, making him equal to God. Enough said. Your lying false cult rejects Jesus being God manifest in the flesh.

Btw, what about all those scriptures above provided to you to either refute, or, agree with?

Learn how to carry on a debate, you have a long ways to go, most likely will never get there.
 
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● Gen 3:19 . . For dust you are, and to dust you will return.

● Heb 9:27 . . Man is destined to die once

It's boggling to contemplate the number of people who came and went before we
all came along.

Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you
love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who
ever was, lived out their lives on that mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam-- every
hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of
civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and
father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt
politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the
history of our species lived here. (Adapted From Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot)

The Earth is a literal death star, flying thru space, looping around and around the
Sun many times over and again: a floating grave yard whose soils and seas are
filled with the dead from many centuries stretching back to Abel: the first of its
passengers to return to the dust from whence they came.

● Eccl 7:2 . . It is better to spend your time at funerals than at festivals. For you
are going to die, and you should think about it while there is still time.

Ergo: The time for people to be thinking about the afterlife is not when they get
there, but before they get there.
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The present burning hell Is only on simmer. The flame doesn't get turned up to high until all the wicked are in there.
 
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● Luke 16:26 . . Between us and you a great divide has been fixed. Those who
would go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.

Luke portrays only a small portion of the geography where Abraham and the rich
man conversed; suggesting that the two locations where the men stood are
peninsulas.

But I rather suspect that the rims of the divide are straight and parallel like the
banks of a canal; plus extending sufficient distance in either direction to
accommodate hundreds, maybe even thousands, of friends and relatives seeking
to connect with their loved ones and BFF over on the opposite side.

I hope that's still the situation because I dearly want to visit my mom and kid
brother before they're transferred to the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15
where it's very possible I may never be allowed see them again.
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