Is there a present burning hell where departed souls of the wicked are sent?

Hebrew-Sheol= Greek-Hades, both translate the grave.
Adam never would have died if he didn't sin. He lived to over 900 years old. There was a tree of life in the Garden of Eden, taken away from mortals now.
adam did not die.

that is a corruption of the text.

he betrayed God
he went north to the demon nations (in the other reality)

and works for them

we are imprisoned here as result

the 144k will meet Christ on the clouds
and God will restore us in our original
body He made
and the sons will rebuild eden paradise
in the other reality
with Christ.
 
Don't know much about soul sleep but I deny annihilationism...eternal is eternal I think: MATT 25:41&46, Mark 9:43...ETC
God's souls who died in past times
rest in Him until such time eden is restored
which is soon

so sweet will be our reunion
of us all together with Him
 
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adam did not die.

that is a corruption of the text.

he betrayed God
he went north to the demon nations (in the other reality)

and works for them

we are imprisoned here as result

the 144k will meet Christ on the clouds
and God will restore us in our original
body He made
and the sons will rebuild eden paradise
in the other reality
with Christ.
The bible doesn't teach what you say. God told Adam they would die, and that's exactly what occurred. Teaching what you say is calling God a liar. Same thing satan said to Eve-you will not die=lie. If your teachers are saying what you post=RUN FROM THEM.
 
The bible doesn't teach what you say. God told Adam they would die, and that's exactly what occurred. Teaching what you say is calling God a liar. Same thing satan said to Eve-you will not die=lie. If your teachers are saying what you post=RUN FROM THEM.
Wasting your time dealing with Eve, a Jehovah Witnesses. They do not believe the word of God, but, follow another spirit which is not of God. They created their own bible to preach from, one that reject the deity of Jesus Christ, being the I AM THAT I AM. Their religion is antichrist to the core.

Right into the lake of fire.
 
op: Is there a present burning hell?

In the "day of Christ's first advent," He Taught:

"...And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the​
rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham​
afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send​
Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.​
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus​
evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there​
is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us,​
that would come from thence..." (Luke 16:22-26 AV)​

I don't believe that "the hell part" has changed, because of:

1) This Bible Study: Consciousness After death!

And,

2) God's End-Times Teaching Through John:

"And I saw a Great White Throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven​
fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before​
God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the​
dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.​
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were
in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into​
the lake of fire. This is the Second Death. And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was​
cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:11-15 AV)​

Amen.
 

Is there a present burning hell where departed souls of the wicked are sent?​

Bits and pieces. The question is: what is the STATE of the physically dead since the totality of their Physical body doesn't make the transition.??? SO - since what goes "ON" is a "soul / spirit", who's capability to experience physical sensation is unknown.

HELL, of course, only exists until the judgement at which point its residents, along with satan and his people are transferred to "the Lake of Fire".

The "Rich man" experienced discomfort in HELL because of "fire" (Luke 16:24)

Bergoglio, of late, has come out in favor of "Annihilation" as the final state of the non-Christian, and of course "Purgatory" has always been a worthless Platonic fantasy which has been a "Cash Cow" for Catholic accountants - since in the Catholic religious system, MONEY reduces the requirement for physical "Purification" (although the "Exchange rate isn't known - or isn't shared)

There's a Catholic teaching that a series of 30 "Gregorian Masses" which can be bought, will spring the "Dear departed" out of purgatory in a month!!!! there's no "Money back guarantee", of course, and no way to know anyway.

What's for sure is that NOT being a Born Again Christian when physical life ends isn't a favorable strategy, with annihilation being the BEST long term solution of all for the spiritually lost.
 
Wasting your time dealing with Eve, a Jehovah Witnesses. They do not believe the word of God, but, follow another spirit which is not of God. They created their own bible to preach from, one that reject the deity of Jesus Christ, being the I AM THAT I AM. Their religion is antichrist to the core.


Right into the lake of fire.
i've never been a jehovah witness and have never personally met one.
 
2) God's End-Times Teaching Through John:

"And I saw a Great White Throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven
fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before
God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the
dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were
in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into
the lake of fire. This is the Second Death. And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was
cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:11-15 AV)
I have no time to discuss this this now at length, but may come back tomorrow and discuss this more in detail.

Death and hell I believe we can prove that it is speaking of the grave, or, where folks died and were left, until the resurrection on the last day..... not a literal present burning hellfire.

For now, consider: "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it"~and then John said: "death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:" John is speaking of bodies, not spirits! If spirits, then there would be no need to speak of separate places delivering up the dead that died therein!
 
John is speaking of bodies, not spirits! If spirits, then there would be no need to speak of separate places delivering up the dead that died therein!
Correct, unless the following are true:

1) For Christ and the "thief on the cross":

"And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when Thou comest into Thy kingdom.​
And Jesus Said Unto him, Verily I Say Unto thee, To day Shalt thou Be With Me in paradise."​
(Luke 23:42-43 AV) [ 'Jesus Spirit' and the repentant thief's 'spirit' ] to Abraham's bosom ↑↑↑↑↑, eh?:​

Was the repentant thief's 'spirit' Also . . . . . . . . . . . . . ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓?
"...it came to pass, that the beggar died, and [ his 'spirit'? ] was carried by the angels into
Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was [ dead body in grave? ] buried; And in
hell he [ as a 'conscious' spirit? ] lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar​
off, and [ seeth? ] Lazarus in his bosom." (Luke 16:22-23 AV)​

2) For The Body Of Christ in God's Great Grace Departure!:

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them [ 'spirits'? ] also which sleep in Jesus​
Will God Bring With Him. For this we say unto you by The Word Of The Lord, that we which are alive​
and remain unto the coming of The Lord shall not prevent [ precede ] them which are asleep [ 'spirits'? ].​
For The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the​
trump of God: and the dead [ 'spirits' ] in Christ Shall rise [ being brought And 'reunited' with their 'bodies'? ]​
first:" (1 Thessalonians 4:14-16 AV)​

3) For the UNbelieving, because of Consciousness After death!:

"...I [ John ] saw the dead [ 'in sin'? ], small and great, stand [ 'resurrected from the dead'? and​
lived Rev 20:5 AV ] before God..." [ lived How? ]:​
"...And the sea [ grave? ] gave up the dead [ bodies ] which were in it; and death [ land grave/bodies ]
and hell [ across from 'paradise' - the above 'great gulf' / tormented 'spirits'! ] delivered up the
dead which were in them: and they [ delivered up as 'reunited' bodies With spirits!! ] were judged​
every man according to their works.​
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the Second Death. And whosoever was​
not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:12-15 AV)​
Amen.

I have no time to discuss this this now at length...

Looking forward to it, Precious friend...
 
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Wasting your time dealing with Eve, a Jehovah Witnesses. They do not believe the word of God, but, follow another spirit which is not of God. They created their own bible to preach from, one that reject the deity of Jesus Christ, being the I AM THAT I AM. Their religion is antichrist to the core.


Right into the lake of fire.
Every scholar on Gods earth knows 100%, God willed his name in his bible over 7000 places. Wicked men by satans will removed Gods name and replaced it with titles-WHY? To mislead. and it does exactly that. One set of translators put Gods name back out of love and respect for God and his will. The religionsssssssssssssssss mislead to give satan his will on the matter use the altered translations and then had the gaul to condemn the only ones who loved God enough to support his will by putting his name back. The mislead using the altered translations believe them.
There is no- i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT, i will be what i will be is the translation of that statement, but again the mislead using the altered translations live in darkness of facts.
 
Every scholar on Gods earth knows 100%, God willed his name in his bible over 7000 places. Wicked men by satans will removed Gods name and replaced it with titles-WHY? To mislead. and it does exactly that. One set of translators put Gods name back out of love and respect for God and his will. The religionsssssssssssssssss mislead to give satan his will on the matter use the altered translations and then had the gaul to condemn the only ones who loved God enough to support his will by putting his name back. The mislead using the altered translations believe them.
There is no- i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT, i will be what i will be is the translation of that statement, but again the mislead using the altered translations live in darkness of facts.
NOW we have found the real Jehovah false witness. Those who love God also love his Son who is the TRUE GOD and eternal life, per John's testimony of the truth!

1st John 5:20​


“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

John 8:58​


“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

Double verily are so important when used by Jesus Christ, because he was about to make known a truth which very few would, or even could accept and believe. Jesus Christ is the I AM THAT I AM from Genesis one up until he was born of a virgin by the power of the Highest. Only in his human nature is he not equal to God, yet in his deity being God's only begotten Son, he is equal to God and truly the only God we or even angel will ever see! Jesus Christ was a complex person, fully God, fully man, and these two nature never interacted with each other, but were ever separate within him! The Mystery of godliness. Jesus was indeed God manifest in the flesh, yet God was not Jesus! God is a Spirit, that inhabits eternity, this will never change, no never! No angel or man has, or will ever see God, impossible! When God was manifested in flesh, he was for the first time seen of angel in the person of his Son who is the express image of God! How else do we understand such verses as this one:

1st Timothy 3:16​


“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

When Jesus was born into this world, the angels of God saw God for the first time in the person of his Son, Jesus Christ.

1st Timothy 6:15,16~

"Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

You rellgion is antichrist, and rejects the only true God, JESUS CHRIST, who alone we shall see in that day, since God Himself is a SPIRIT, that no angels or man can see or even approach unto without being consumed with his glory.
 
NOW we have found the real Jehovah false witness. Those who love God also love his Son who is the TRUE GOD and eternal life, per John's testimony of the truth!

1st John 5:20​


“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

John 8:58​


“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

Double verily are so important when used by Jesus Christ, because he was about to make known a truth which very few would, or even could accept and believe. Jesus Christ is the I AM THAT I AM from Genesis one up until he was born of a virgin by the power of the Highest. Only in his human nature is he not equal to God, yet in his deity being God's only begotten Son, he is equal to God and truly the only God we or even angel will ever see! Jesus Christ was a complex person, fully God, fully man, and these two nature never interacted with each other, but were ever separate within him! The Mystery of godliness. Jesus was indeed God manifest in the flesh, yet God was not Jesus! God is a Spirit, that inhabits eternity, this will never change, no never! No angel or man has, or will ever see God, impossible! When God was manifested in flesh, he was for the first time seen of angel in the person of his Son who is the express image of God! How else do we understand such verses as this one:

1st Timothy 3:16​


“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

When Jesus was born into this world, the angels of God saw God for the first time in the person of his Son, Jesus Christ.

1st Timothy 6:15,16~
"Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

You rellgion is antichrist, and rejects the only true God, JESUS CHRIST, who alone we shall see in that day, since God Himself is a SPIRIT, that no angels or man can see or even approach unto without being consumed with his glory.
Any who can understand English can clearly read at 1John 5:20--that we may know him( God) that is true and we are in him ( singular, not we or they) that is true, even in (his( the one God who is true)---- son--his and son = 2 separate beings.---this is the true God= his, not son.
You need an English lesson. You will find out its you in darkness being mislead. My post on the translating alterations are recorded history FACTS.
Jesus is Gods image--an image is NEVER the real thing.
I and the Father are one= in purpose. Jesus lives to do his Fathers will, as do the true followers( Matt 7:21)


You can take this to the bank= the real cult in Gods view= A house divided( hundreds of trinity religions) will not stand.
 
Any who can understand English
You corrupted the 1st John 5:20 (you conveniently never attempted to comment on the other two) with your so called English lesson.
You will find out its you in darkness being mislead
And you the guy giving English lesson? I'll passed. Your writing skills is on a middle school level at best. But, that being said, I can overlook that while searching for God's truth, knowing God's people are in the minority as far as what the world consider high IQ, which truly means little with God and I might add~very seldom find truth where there's high intelligent.

Now let us see who is in darkness and who has the truth. It will not take very long for the word of God to expose you as a liar and antichrist to the true faith of Jesus Christ. Jehovah Witnesses' are a false cult and a enemy to the truth.

1st John 5:20 goes perfectly with what John wrote as he opened up his epistle.


1st John 1:1.... That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

That.

That is a glorious demonstrative pronoun for our Lord Jesus Christ – the Word of life! A personal pronoun like Who loses proximity, timing context by That versus This. That was the biggest snow … this was the biggest … which is closer in place or time? Jesus ascended to heaven years earlier, so the distant demonstrative pronoun is used. This which was from the beginning would not make sense, for Jesus was not present.

That is everything. All things are by Him, through Him, for Him, to Him. (Colossians 1:15-17)

You were created and exist for this That; no need to distinguish Jehovah or His Son. Though Jesus is subordinate to God as to his humanity and our Mediator (I Cor 15:28), He is also God. Though Jesus is subordinate to God, He has been exalted for worship (Phil 2:9-11). Though Jesus is subordinate, He is the glorious express image of God (Hebrews 1:1-3).

Jesus is the Head of our faith/religion, our King, our Priest, our Savior, and coming Judge. He shall, in His times, reveal He is the Blessed and Only Potentate (Ist Timothy 6:13-16).

The beginning must be rightly divided, for John used it seven times in different ways. In this first verse, we use it just as he used it to open his gospel – eternity (Jn 1:1-2). In the next verse, John called the Word of life that eternal life – eternal God Himself. To the epistle’s end, he used beginning for eternity, creation, gospel era, conversion.

Here is our eternal God, from everlasting to everlasting (Ps 41:13; 90:2; Is 57:15). No wonder we have such startling statements about Jesus as we do (John 1:15; 8:58).

Why did John start off with this technical section about the identity of the Word of life?

To refute antichrist liars seducing from Jesus like yourself! (Ist John 2:18-23; 4:1-6; II John 1:7-9). Any error in the identity of Jesus or relationship to God is not true worship He seeks. Without true worship God seeks, the full fellowship in this context will not happen. Without the full fellowship in this context, the full Christian joy will also not happen. The greatest fulfillment and joy in the human heart is knowing Christ (Ephesians 3:14-19). If Jesus did not have a body, how could He die for you and be your priest (Heb 2:14)?

Which we have heard.

John’s gospel also exalted Jesus’ key flesh existence, appearance, and life (Jn 1:14). There is a place for basic facts, simple statements, and precise definitions for truth. The gospel of Jesus Christ is based on many facts from apostles that lived with Him. Note the plural pronoun – we– referencing other apostles and witnesses of Jesus Christ. One witness is not enough, two or three was the legal minimum, but Jesus had more. Paul recorded that more than 500 brethren at one time saw Jesus Christ (Ist Cor 15:6). Huge multitudes heard Him during His life, sometimes requiring a boat as His pulpit. Jesus on trial for His life reminded Pilate He had always taught openly (John 18:20). No one ever spoke like Jesus Christ, yet most rejected the content (Matt 7:21-29).The apostles were eyewitnesses and earwitnesses of Jesus Christ, hearing and seeing.

Which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon.

The facts starting here about Jesus’ time on earth may seem wasteful, but they are not.

John’s gospel also exalted Jesus’ key flesh existence, appearance, and life (Jn 1:14). Note the plural pronoun – we– referencing other apostles and witnesses of Jesus Christ. Luke starts off to Theophilus explaining about eyewitnesses of Jesus (Luke 1:1-4). Apostles were eyewitnesses of the living Christ (Acts 1:3,21-22; I Cor 9:1; 15:8).
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And our hands have handled.

Note the plural pronoun – our– referencing other apostles and witnesses of Jesus Christ. The only thing maybe better than touching is eating and drinking (Acts 10:39-41). Many infallible proofs confirms our religion of a resurrected Godman (Acts 1:3). They were an intimate group, especially this writer John, who laid on His bosom. Keep in mind this personal intimacy the apostles had, for they offered it (I John 1:3). Jesus promised it much better after Pentecost (Jn 14:18-23; 15:10-11; 16:7,19-22). Thomas was blessed to touch the resurrected Jesus, and it affected him (John 20:26-31).

Of the Word of life.

John did use Word for our Lord’s divine nature the most, but he was not the only one. How often did John call Jesus the Word? Five (Jn 1:1,14; I John 1:1; 5:7; Rev 19:13). Luke, Peter, and James used word for Jesus (Luke 1:2; I Pet 1:23,25; James 1:18,21).

What significance should the name and title of Jesus as the Word teach us about Him? Word. I. Speech, utterance, verbal expression. Things said, or something said; speech, talk, discourse, utterance; report, tidings, news, information. II. An element of speech. A combination of vocal sounds, or one such sound, used in a language to express an idea and constituting an ultimate minimal element of speech having a meaning as such. [OED].

The English sense directly above is comparable to the Greek logos usually adored. By John’s gospel context, note how the Word of God is a declaration or revelation. The heavens, part of all things, declares the glory of God (John 1:3; Psalm 19:1-6). The Word of God is the light of men by eternal life He gives to men (John 1:4-5). He was the true Light that lights every elect man coming into the world (John 1:9). He was incarnated in man’s flesh for men to see; He revealed God to us (Jn 1:14). Jesus brought grace and truth, totally unlike the word Moses brought (John 1:17). No man has ever seen God, but the incarnate Word declared Him to men (Jn 1:18). The eternal life with the Father, the Word of life, was manifested to us (I Jn 1:1-2).

Jesus is the Word of life for He is the One that lives forever and the One that gives life. Life is a crucial concept. God lives forever. He made us alive. We need eternal life. He is alive and lives forevermore, and He has the keys or authority of hell and death. He is the way, the truth, and the life, which He declared to His apostles (John 14:6). James could call Him the word of truth (James 1:18), for He is also truth (John 14:6). He is the greatest life in the universe we can relate to, and without which we starve. This is an eternal life, a divine life, in a human body, for us (Col 2:9; Eph 1:15-23). In Christ we can see perfect divine life coupled with humanity for perfection forever. In the next verse he will immediately appeal to the adjective phrase the life by itself.

What a glorious and profound contrast to everything we received from our father Adam. That man, though told clearly of the consequences, chose a three-fold death for us. He destroyed life. He lost the tree of life. He secured the second death for all of us. All we have contributed to the universe is sin and death – it sums up our existence. All we have … all we have heard … all we have seen … all we have touched … dies! Jesus earned abundant life for us now, eternal life for us later (John 10:10; 17:1-3). What a difference between life by Adam or by Jesus (Rom 5:12-19; I Cor 15:22,45).

I'll come back to finish to next two verses so that you will have to show just how corrupt your cult is concerning the deity of Jesus Christ, being Almighty God, that was made flesh for both angels and man to see!
 
You can take this to the bank= the real cult in Gods view= A house divided( hundreds of trinity religions) will not stand.
I'll not take that to the bank, its counterfeit, they will not cash it!(n)

Your cult started around 1870s:

Jehovah's Witnesses originated as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which developed in the United States in the 1870s among followers of Christian restorationist minister Charles Taze Russell. Bible Student missionaries were sent to England in 1881 and the first overseas branch was opened in London in 1900. Your rellgion is only around a hundred and fifty years or, so, old. It is one of many latter day cults prophesied by Christ, Paul, and John that would come.

So, your cult is part of that house that is divided. No thanks to your worthless offer.
 

1st John 1:2...... (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

The apostolic gospel was in large part witness of the earthly life of Jesus by the apostles. When God manifests – declares or reveals Himself – we better respond (Rom 1:19).

But we have the written record of earwitnesses, eyewitnesses, and handlers of Him! In this short chapter, they bore witness, showed, wrote, and declared several times. What would we know about Jesus the Son of God without this apostolic revelation? God has given witness of His Son, and we better believe it above men (Ist John 5:9-10). And we do!

The apostles witnessed the Godman, showed the Godman, and declared the Godman. We do not believe God and Christ by oral tradition, but many writers (Luke 1:1-4).

The eternal life that was with the Father was the Word of God that became incarnate.

This divine being that was God and was with God (trinity) was made a flesh body. It was this incarnation – being made flesh – that the apostles could hear, see, touch. Invisible God became visible to men in the Godman (John 1:18; Col 1:15; Heb 1:3).

That the eternal, infinite LORD Jehovah came to earth to die and rise again is incredible. Paul described it as an incredible thing, so God highly exalted Jesus (Phil 2:5-11). Jesus is the image of the invisible God, just as John wrote (Col 1:15; John 1:14,18).

The great mystery of godliness begins, God was manifest in the flesh (Ist Tim 3:16). If one reject this truth, they are antichrist, against Jesus Christ, and cannot be of God, but of the devil, teachings doctrines of devils.

Our religion is not based on hallucinations, visions, wishful thinking … but true facts, that cannot be refuted.

The apostles proved Jesus of Nazareth as Christ in a flesh body every way needed.

If He is revealed to us, then we owe Him and especially His Father total love. If He left us alone, we would believe evolution, Mormonism, or Mahatma Gandhi, of in men like you~ (Jehovah Witnesses)

1st John 1:3.. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Grasp the that and that here – the first a demonstrative pronoun and then a conjunction. The first that is twice a demonstrative pronoun for Jesus Christ – the Word of life! The second that is a conjunction identifying John’s goal and purpose for writing. That. Introducing a clause expressing purpose, end, aim, or desire: often with may. Do not miss these two that conjunctions – one here for fellowship, the next for joy.

The apostolic gospel was in large part witness of the earthly life of Jesus by the apostles.

What is the purpose of the apostles seeking out God’s elect? For fellowship with God! After the doctrine of Christ – the true body of knowledge about Him – is relationship. There is salvation from the hopelessness of this life in knowing Christ (II Tim 2:10). Learning of Jesus, where He is now and He will return, is our religion (I Cor 15:19).

But most professing Christians know little or nothing of this gift – they are belly worshippers. They love this life, which will soon be taken from them, instead of God and His Son. Note – John used present tense for fellowship after our Lord’s ascension to heaven.

Jesus did not change by losing a body, but His body was glorified after resurrection. The apostles surely had ultimate fellowship with God and Christ, but offer it to us. However, a proper understanding of Pentecost puts us on an equal footing with them.

We must understand fellowship to fully appreciate a relationship with God and Christ. God considers us adopted children in His family, accepted in Christ (Eph 1:6; 3:15). Our position as sons of God is so high above the angels we are heirs (Rom 8:14-17).
  1. Fellowship. The condition or quality of being a fellow in various senses. Partnership; membership of a society. Participation, sharing (in an action, condition, etc.); ‘something in common’, community of interest, sentiment, nature, etc. Companionship, company, society; an instance of this. Mutual intercourse, esp. spiritual; intimate personal converse; = communion. The spirit of comradeship; friendliness. An association or union of any kind; also a brotherhood, fraternity.
  2. Fellowship = intimate friendship in the family of God with the Father and Son as affectionate companions for mutual personal exchanges in committed union forever.
  3. Fellowship = yoked / communion / concord / partner / agreement (II Cor 6:14-16).
Thus, having the truth concerning Jesus Christ give that person the privilege to have biblical fellowship with the Godhead ~ reject the doctrine concerning Jesus Christ's complex person, it is impossible to have fellowship with him ~ at best one is only going through the motion of doing so.
 
You corrupted the 1st John 5:20 (you conveniently never attempted to comment on the other two) with your so called English lesson.

And you the guy giving English lesson? I'll passed. Your writing skills is on a middle school level at best. But, that being said, I can overlook that while searching for God's truth, knowing God's people are in the minority as far as what the world consider high IQ, which truly means little with God and I might add~very seldom find truth where there's high intelligent.

Now let us see who is in darkness and who has the truth. It will not take very long for the word of God to expose you as a liar and antichrist to the true faith of Jesus Christ. Jehovah Witnesses' are a false cult and a enemy to the truth.

1st John 5:20 goes perfectly with what John wrote as he opened up his epistle.



1st John 1:1.... That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

That.

That is a glorious demonstrative pronoun for our Lord Jesus Christ – the Word of life! A personal pronoun like Who loses proximity, timing context by That versus This. That was the biggest snow … this was the biggest … which is closer in place or time? Jesus ascended to heaven years earlier, so the distant demonstrative pronoun is used. This which was from the beginning would not make sense, for Jesus was not present.

That is everything. All things are by Him, through Him, for Him, to Him. (Colossians 1:15-17)

You were created and exist for this That; no need to distinguish Jehovah or His Son. Though Jesus is subordinate to God as to his humanity and our Mediator (I Cor 15:28), He is also God. Though Jesus is subordinate to God, He has been exalted for worship (Phil 2:9-11). Though Jesus is subordinate, He is the glorious express image of God (Hebrews 1:1-3).

Jesus is the Head of our faith/religion, our King, our Priest, our Savior, and coming Judge. He shall, in His times, reveal He is the Blessed and Only Potentate (Ist Timothy 6:13-16).

The beginning must be rightly divided, for John used it seven times in different ways. In this first verse, we use it just as he used it to open his gospel – eternity (Jn 1:1-2). In the next verse, John called the Word of life that eternal life – eternal God Himself. To the epistle’s end, he used beginning for eternity, creation, gospel era, conversion.

Here is our eternal God, from everlasting to everlasting (Ps 41:13; 90:2; Is 57:15). No wonder we have such startling statements about Jesus as we do (John 1:15; 8:58).

Why did John start off with this technical section about the identity of the Word of life?

To refute antichrist liars seducing from Jesus like yourself! (Ist John 2:18-23; 4:1-6; II John 1:7-9). Any error in the identity of Jesus or relationship to God is not true worship He seeks. Without true worship God seeks, the full fellowship in this context will not happen. Without the full fellowship in this context, the full Christian joy will also not happen. The greatest fulfillment and joy in the human heart is knowing Christ (Ephesians 3:14-19). If Jesus did not have a body, how could He die for you and be your priest (Heb 2:14)?

Which we have heard.

John’s gospel also exalted Jesus’ key flesh existence, appearance, and life (Jn 1:14). There is a place for basic facts, simple statements, and precise definitions for truth. The gospel of Jesus Christ is based on many facts from apostles that lived with Him. Note the plural pronoun – we– referencing other apostles and witnesses of Jesus Christ. One witness is not enough, two or three was the legal minimum, but Jesus had more. Paul recorded that more than 500 brethren at one time saw Jesus Christ (Ist Cor 15:6). Huge multitudes heard Him during His life, sometimes requiring a boat as His pulpit. Jesus on trial for His life reminded Pilate He had always taught openly (John 18:20). No one ever spoke like Jesus Christ, yet most rejected the content (Matt 7:21-29).The apostles were eyewitnesses and earwitnesses of Jesus Christ, hearing and seeing.

Which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon.

The facts starting here about Jesus’ time on earth may seem wasteful, but they are not.

John’s gospel also exalted Jesus’ key flesh existence, appearance, and life (Jn 1:14). Note the plural pronoun – we– referencing other apostles and witnesses of Jesus Christ. Luke starts off to Theophilus explaining about eyewitnesses of Jesus (Luke 1:1-4). Apostles were eyewitnesses of the living Christ (Acts 1:3,21-22; I Cor 9:1; 15:8).
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And our hands have handled.

Note the plural pronoun – our– referencing other apostles and witnesses of Jesus Christ. The only thing maybe better than touching is eating and drinking (Acts 10:39-41). Many infallible proofs confirms our religion of a resurrected Godman (Acts 1:3). They were an intimate group, especially this writer John, who laid on His bosom. Keep in mind this personal intimacy the apostles had, for they offered it (I John 1:3). Jesus promised it much better after Pentecost (Jn 14:18-23; 15:10-11; 16:7,19-22). Thomas was blessed to touch the resurrected Jesus, and it affected him (John 20:26-31).

Of the Word of life.

John did use Word for our Lord’s divine nature the most, but he was not the only one. How often did John call Jesus the Word? Five (Jn 1:1,14; I John 1:1; 5:7; Rev 19:13). Luke, Peter, and James used word for Jesus (Luke 1:2; I Pet 1:23,25; James 1:18,21).

What significance should the name and title of Jesus as the Word teach us about Him? Word. I. Speech, utterance, verbal expression. Things said, or something said; speech, talk, discourse, utterance; report, tidings, news, information. II. An element of speech. A combination of vocal sounds, or one such sound, used in a language to express an idea and constituting an ultimate minimal element of speech having a meaning as such. [OED].

The English sense directly above is comparable to the Greek logos usually adored. By John’s gospel context, note how the Word of God is a declaration or revelation. The heavens, part of all things, declares the glory of God (John 1:3; Psalm 19:1-6). The Word of God is the light of men by eternal life He gives to men (John 1:4-5). He was the true Light that lights every elect man coming into the world (John 1:9). He was incarnated in man’s flesh for men to see; He revealed God to us (Jn 1:14). Jesus brought grace and truth, totally unlike the word Moses brought (John 1:17). No man has ever seen God, but the incarnate Word declared Him to men (Jn 1:18). The eternal life with the Father, the Word of life, was manifested to us (I Jn 1:1-2).

Jesus is the Word of life for He is the One that lives forever and the One that gives life. Life is a crucial concept. God lives forever. He made us alive. We need eternal life. He is alive and lives forevermore, and He has the keys or authority of hell and death. He is the way, the truth, and the life, which He declared to His apostles (John 14:6). James could call Him the word of truth (James 1:18), for He is also truth (John 14:6). He is the greatest life in the universe we can relate to, and without which we starve. This is an eternal life, a divine life, in a human body, for us (Col 2:9; Eph 1:15-23). In Christ we can see perfect divine life coupled with humanity for perfection forever. In the next verse he will immediately appeal to the adjective phrase the life by itself.

What a glorious and profound contrast to everything we received from our father Adam. That man, though told clearly of the consequences, chose a three-fold death for us. He destroyed life. He lost the tree of life. He secured the second death for all of us. All we have contributed to the universe is sin and death – it sums up our existence. All we have … all we have heard … all we have seen … all we have touched … dies! Jesus earned abundant life for us now, eternal life for us later (John 10:10; 17:1-3). What a difference between life by Adam or by Jesus (Rom 5:12-19; I Cor 15:22,45).

I'll come back to finish to next two verses so that you will have to show just how corrupt your cult is concerning the deity of Jesus Christ, being Almighty God, that was made flesh for both angels and man to see!
I don't read long posts.
Through him and for him= Another did the creating= his God and Father. by him = was used as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one who was beside God during the creation and gives=HE(God) 100% credit for all the creating done at Prov 8.
John would have lied through his teeth if he said Jesus were God. He as well would have called Jesus a liar by doing as you claim--John 17:3--A prayer to Jesus Father= The one who sent Jesus= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. That is 100% what John knew.
 
I'll not take that to the bank, its counterfeit, they will not cash it!(n)

Your cult started around 1870s:

Jehovah's Witnesses originated as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which developed in the United States in the 1870s among followers of Christian restorationist minister Charles Taze Russell. Bible Student missionaries were sent to England in 1881 and the first overseas branch was opened in London in 1900. Your rellgion is only around a hundred and fifty years or, so, old. It is one of many latter day cults prophesied by Christ, Paul, and John that would come.

So, your cult is part of that house that is divided. No thanks to your worthless offer.
Jesus started the JW religion back in the beginning of the NT. They were called the way back then. Jesus said we would be hated. Alls because of an error at John 1:1 in your altered translations. You see, even the trinity scholars know 100% that in the Greek lexicons the word is not called capitol G God in those Lexicons. They refuse to say truth because, those religions would all be proven false, all those religions would lose billions of dollars yearly, and 2 billion humans would sue them for stealing their money because they do know.
 
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