Is persuasion even necessary in Calvinism ?

[TomL]

nice dodge of all the passages that contradict your doctrines of man.

deal with the scriptures I gace instead of avoiding them and running away from them- your diversion is duly noted.

this is the same thing the unitarians do with passaged that declare the deity of Christ - they run from them

That has always been that person's methodology

 

[brightfame52]

nice dodge of all the passages that contradict your doctrines of man.

deal with the scriptures I gace instead of avoiding them and running away from them- your diversion is duly noted.

this is the same thing the unitarians do with passaged that declare the deity of Christ - they run from them

Its necessary for the just/justifed to live by Faith, by persuasion Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Its necessary because God said it shall happen ! So God causes it, He persuades Gen 9:27

God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

That word enlarge/ pāṯâ means :

1. to be persuaded

Commentary on Gen 9:27

God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Japheth was the father of all the Gentile nations but out of them many will become saved. Shem was in the messianic line of the Lord Jesus Christ and the saying “dwelling in the tents of Shem” means that many Gentiles will become saved. They will go from becoming Gentiles to Christians being transferred into the kingdom of God from any and all false religions. Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: (Colossians 1:13)

Genesis 9

when Christ, the brightness of his Father's glory, the Word, was made flesh, and tabernacled in Judea: Jonathan Ben Uzziel thus;"and his children shall be proselytes, and dwell in the school of Shem;''and many Christian writers interpret them of the conversion of the Gentiles, and of their union and communion with the believing Jews in one Gospel church state, which was very evidently fulfilled in the first times of the Gospel: and they read these words in connection with the former clause thus, "God shall persuade Japheth (t), and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem"; that is, God shall persuade the Gentiles, the posterity of Japheth, by the sweet alluring voice of his Gospel, and through the power of his grace accompanying it, to embrace and profess Christ and his Gospel, and join with his churches, and walk with them in all the commandments and ordinances of Christ;

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/genesis/9-27.htm Gill

 

[civic]

Its necessary for the just/justifed to live by Faith, by persuasion Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Its necessary because God said it shall happen ! So God causes it, He persuades Gen 9:27

God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

That word enlarge/ pāṯâ means :

1. to be persuaded

Commentary on Gen 9:27

God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Genesis 9

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/genesis/9-27.htm Gill

gill was not inspired its just the opinion of a fallen man.

 

[brightfame52]

John 12:32–33 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 (Now he said this to indicate by what sort of death he was going to die.)

how long have you favored universalism?

The Drawing in both Jn 6:44;12:32 is also the effectual call,it is not an external appeal to the mind, but an inward creative act in the soul,

The word helkō denotes inward power,

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel, It is the creation of spiritual life inwardly
2. It impels, activates!

. Man coming to God is God’s grace at work !
The drawing is of the elect, those given to Jesus, not all mankind Jn 6:37
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And the word draw comes from the word haireō that means to choose

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

So that drawing teaches limited atonement to the chosen of God out of the world

 

[brightfame52]

gill was not inspired its just the opinion of a fallen man.

Just like you

 

[TomL]

The Drawing in both Jn 6:44;12:32 is also the effectual call,it is not an external appeal to the mind, but an inward creative act in the soul,

The word helkō denotes inward power,

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel, It is the creation of spiritual life inwardly
2. It impels, activates!

. Man coming to God is God’s grace at work !
The drawing is of the elect, those given to Jesus, not all mankind Jn 6:37
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And the word draw comes from the word haireō that means to choose

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

So that drawing teaches limited atonement to the chosen of God out of the world

Once again

How are you not positing universalism

John 12:32 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

 

[brightfame52]

Once again

How are you not positing universalism

John 12:32 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

The Drawing in both Jn 6:44;12:32 is also the effectual call,it is not an external appeal to the mind, but an inward creative act in the soul,

The word helkō denotes inward power,

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel, It is the creation of spiritual life inwardly
2. It impels, activates!

. Man coming to God is God’s grace at work !

The drawing is of the elect, those given to Jesus, not all mankind Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And the word draw comes from the word haireō that means to choose

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

So that drawing teaches limited atonement to the chosen of God out of the world

 

[TomL]

The Drawing in both Jn 6:44;12:32 is also the effectual call,it is not an external appeal to the mind, but an inward creative act in the soul,

The word helkō denotes inward power,

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel, It is the creation of spiritual life inwardly
2. It impels, activates!

. Man coming to God is God’s grace at work !

The drawing is of the elect, those given to Jesus, not all mankind Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And the word draw comes from the word haireō that means to choose

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

So that drawing teaches limited atonement to the chosen of God out of the world

How are you not positing universalism

John 12:32 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

So you tout universalism?

 

[brightfame52]

How are you not positing universalism

John 12:32 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

So you tout universalism?

The Drawing in both Jn 6:44;12:32 is also the effectual call,it is not an external appeal to the mind, but an inward creative act in the soul,

The word helkō denotes inward power,

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel, It is the creation of spiritual life inwardly
2. It impels, activates!

. Man coming to God is God’s grace at work !

The drawing is of the elect, those given to Jesus, not all mankind Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And the word draw comes from the word haireō that means to choose

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

So that drawing teaches limited atonement to the chosen of God out of the world

 

[civic]

The Drawing in both Jn 6:44;12:32 is also the effectual call,it is not an external appeal to the mind, but an inward creative act in the soul,

The word helkō denotes inward power,

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel, It is the creation of spiritual life inwardly
2. It impels, activates!

. Man coming to God is God’s grace at work !

The drawing is of the elect, those given to Jesus, not all mankind Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And the word draw comes from the word haireō that means to choose

1. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
2. to choose by vote, elect to office

So that drawing teaches limited atonement to the chosen of God out of the world

Jesus in John 12 contradicts your view of John 6.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus in John 12 contradicts your view of John 6.

The inward power is the Spirit of God, the Grace of God