Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

Johann said:
Hopefully not from my end brother.
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Bob Stanley

The Holy Trinity is Scriptural...
The Holy Trinity: He who will try to understand the Trinity fully, will lose his mind, but he who denies the Trinity will lose his soul.

How can man fully comprehend GOD's infinite make-up when he cannot fully comprehend his own finite make-up?: **Gen 1:26-27,3:22, *Gen 11:7, Deut 6:4, Isa *6:3,8,9:6-7, Psa 2:7, Mt 3:16-17,10:20,17:5,28:19, Mk 1:9-11, Lk 1:35,3:21-22, Jn 3:35-36,14:26,15:26, Act 5:3-4, *Act 17:29 (KJ) Rom 1:20, *1Cor 12:4-6, *2Cor 3:17, *2Cor 13:13, Eph 1:2, Col 2:9, Phil 2:11, 1Thes 5:23-24, Tit 2:13, **1Jn 5:7

The Holy Trinity acts in unity in glory: Lk 10:20, 1Cor 15:all, Phil 3:21, Rev 22:17
The Holy Trinity is in Scripture:
1. There is but one GOD..................Ex 3:14, *Deut 6:4, Jn 17:3
2. There are no other gods................Isa 43:10,44:6-8, 1Cor 8:4-6
3. GOD is the creator.......................Psa 90:2, Isa 44:24, Heb 3:4,11:3
4. The Father is GOD.....................1Cor 8:4-6, 2Pet 1:17
5. The Father is Lord......................Gen 2:8-9
6. The Son is GOD..........................Jn 1:1-3, Col 1:16
7. The Son is Lord...........................Jude 4
8. The Holy Spirit is GOD..............Job 33:4, Act 5:3-4
9. The Holy Spirit is Lord...............2Cor 3:17
10. Three persons in one GOD..........Gen 1:26, Mt 28:19, 2Cor 13:14
11. Father, Son, Holy Spirit...........Mt 3:16-17, Mk 1:9-11, Jn 14:26, 1Cor 12:4-6
12. False gods will perish...................Jer 10:11

The Holy Trinity (Tri-Unity) Doctrine: in its barest outline, 1Jn 5:7-8
1. In the one divine nature, there are three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
2. No one of the persons is either of the others, each is wholly Himself.
3. The Father is GOD, the Son is GOD, the Holy Spirit is GOD.
4. They are not three GODS but one GOD. They are distinct but are NOT separate. Where one is, all are.
5. The Holy Trinity, one GOD, and three divine persons, functions in an individual yet collective way:
1Cor 12:4-6.


A Word, (the Son) does not exist without a Speaker (the Father), and one cannot be a Speaker without a Breath (the Holy Spirit); just as the Word cannot exist without a Breath. Thus GOD acts as one. He does not send the Son independently from the fullness of the divine nature. It is the Father and the Son and the Spirit doing the speaking. It cannot be otherwise, since They are consubstantial in Their divinity.
 
Matthias said:
This thread may be closed soon. I was going to post the following this morning but delayed. I’ll post it now, before the axe falls.

From the link in the OP,

”So, let us review these first two very important questions.

Is Jesus the Christ a human person?

NO!

Holy Scripture has clearly instructed us that He could not be a human person.

Is Jesus the Christ a Divine person?

YES!

Holy Scripture has clearly taught us that He is a Divine person.”

(Bob Stanley)

The teaching of orthodox trinitarianism is clear.

The rationale given for the teaching (i.e. that it is taught to us in Holy Scripture) is false.
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Present your case. Define what's encapsulated by the words "person" & "nature". Also, tell us under what category does body, soul, and spirit fall under.
 
Johann said:
Hopefully not from my end brother.
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The philosophy which has been handed down to me from those in the know is that if rule violations persist, no matter who it is that’s violating them, will result in the thread being closed and additional penalties may also be imposed.

We’ll see what happens. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
 
Matthias said:
The philosophy which has been handed down to me from those in the know is that if rule violations persist, no matter who it is that’s violating them, will result in the thread being closed and additional penalties may also be imposed.

We’ll see what happens. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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2.06 AM-still awake.
J.
 
synergy said:
Present your case. Define what's encapsulated by the words "person" & "nature". Also, tell us under what category does body, soul, and spirit fall under.
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If you want to defend orthodoxy then do it. You have an anti-orthodox trinitarian crowd which might be persuadable.
 
Matthias said:
If you want to defend orthodoxy then do it. You have an anti-orthodox trinitarian crowd which might be persuadable.
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You suggested the topic. Don't wait for us to do the work for you.

If you expect others to do the work for your topic suggestions, you can forget about it.
 
Matthias said:
The topic of this thread is presented in the OP.

Jesus is not a human person. So says orthodoxy.
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Bob Stanley does not present what I'm looking for in order to continue the OP conversation. You are free to do whatever you want in light of that. Just don't expect others to do that work for you. It's your OP.
 
synergy said:
Bob Stanley does not present what I'm looking for in order to continue the OP conversation. You are free to do whatever you want in light of that. Just don't expect others to do that work for you. It's your OP.
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Consider starting your own OP then on the historical orthodox teaching that “Jesus is not a human person”.
 
synergy said:
Dictating to me what I'll name an OP, if I do choose to do one, is not the way to go about doing things.
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I’m not dictating to you. Just as you said you couldn’t care less about SHURF, I couldn’t care less about whether or not you decide to start a thread of your own on the subject of this thread, nor about what you might name it.
 
Johann said:
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Just a gentle reminder @praise_yeshua -I know you are aware of this.
Shalom brother.
J.
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Got it. All the faithful will be saved. Who is the heir of Abraham? Abraham had more than one son but only one who received the promise.
 

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