Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

I feed on Gods word not the words of fallen men who were uninspired by God.

The difference between night and day.

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As I have already explained to you brother-you need to be patient with me here-I don't make the Apostles Creed my authority-I was mixed up with Calvin a couple of years and a little leaven leavens the whole lump.
Sitting alone, in my house and that not by choice is not easy.
The battle is in the lev shome'a as I am sure you are well aware of.
J.
Amen Jesus is your guide since as God, He is Truth, the Way, He is Life, the Only Name by which men are saved- the Gospel is all about Him, Salvation is all about Him, Eternal Life is all about Him, The Holy Spirit is all about Him, Scripture is all about Him, The Apostles were all about Him, Creation is all about Him. And so on and so forth.

To miss that is to miss everything pertaining to salvation. Like the lost little child in the story. Gods little boy.

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As I have already explained to you brother-you need to be patient with me here-I don't make the Apostles Creed my authority-I was mixed up with Calvin a couple of years and a little leaven leavens the whole lump.
Sitting alone, in my house and that not by choice is not easy.
The battle is in the lev shome'a as I am sure you are well aware of.
J.

I’m a very patient man. I’ll be speaking with you and so will the orthodox trinitarians. And so too will those who self-identify as trinitarians but reject the teaching of orthodoxy concerning the person of Jesus the Christ.

They are desperate to rescue you from me. I’m not desperate to rescue you from them. Listen to what they say. Listen to them thoughtfully and critically. If you’re persuaded by what they‘re telling you then go with them.

Someone is teaching you truth. Someone is teaching you falsehood. You have to decide who is doing what.

They’ve made the decision. I’ve made the decision too. You have to make the decision. My advice is not to rush your decision. It’s too important to do that.
 
@Johann knows who is teaching error about Jesus and its not me since I'm the one who like Thomas confesses Christ is my Lord and my God. :) Like Paul confessed He is God, like Peter confessed He is God, like John confessed He is God, like Jude confessed He is God, like James confessed He is God, like the Author of Hebrews confessed He is God, like Luke confessed He is God, like Mark confessed He is God, like the OT Prophets who confessed He is God.

Sola Scripture
Sola Christ

The bible alone in Christ alone is salvation found. In no one else can it be found. The NT is crystal clear on the issue of ones salvation. Johann stands on the side of the Truth not the side of error who teaches another jesus, another gospel as per Paul in Galatians 1.

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Do you believe the story my spiritual enemy is telling you about “the lost little child in the story” @Johann?

The child in the story is saved. The devil is telling you a lie.
 
Do you believe Jesus is the creator @Johann?

I don’t. I believe, as the Apostles’ Creed and the scriptures teach, that Father is the creator.

So simple that even a little child can understand it.
Since you press me for an answer brother-yes, I do believer Messiah is the Creator

[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:15 15-20 Now Christ is the visible expression of the invisible God. He existed before creation began, for it was through him that every thing was made, whether spiritual or material, seen or unseen. Through him, and for him, also, were created power and dominion, ownership and authority. In fact, every single thing was created through, and for him. He is both the first principle and the upholding principle of the whole scheme of creation. And now he is the head of the body which is composed of all Christian people. Life from nothing began through him, and life from the dead began through him, and he is, therefore, justly called the Lord of all. It was in him that the full nature of God chose to live, and through him God planned to reconcile in his own person, as it were, everything on earth and everything in Heaven by virtue of the sacrifice of the cross.
Phillips


Col 1:15 Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach is the demut (BERESHIS 1:26-27; Pp 2:6) of the invisible G-d, the Bechor [TEHILLIM 89:27], the Yoresh (Heir) of kol hanivrah (all creation),
Col 1:16 Because in Him were created all things in Shomayim and on Ha'Aretz, the visible and the nistar (hidden), whether thrones or dominions, whether rulers or authorities, all things through Him and for Him have been created. [TEHILLIM 33:6]
Col 1:17 And Moshiach is before all things, and all things in Moshiach have been held together; [MISHLE 8:23-27; 30:4]
Col 1:18 And Moshiach is the Rosh [MISHLE 8:22; 30:4] of the Geviyah (Body) [Gn 47:18; Ps 16:9-10; Isa 53:11; Job 19:25-27], and the Geviyah (nevilah, DEVARIM 21:23) is Moshiach's Brit Chadasha Kehillah; Moshiach is its Reshit, the Bechor from the Mesim, that Moshiach might be in everything pre-eminent, [TEHILLIM 89:27]
ος εστιν εικων του θεου του αορατου πρωτοτοκος πασης κτισεως
οτι εν αυτω εκτισθη τα παντα τα εν τοις ουρανοις και τα επι της γης τα ορατα και τα αορατα ειτε θρονοι ειτε κυριοτητες ειτε αρχαι ειτε εξουσιαι τα παντα δι αυτου και εις αυτον εκτισται
και αυτος εστιν προ παντων και τα παντα εν αυτω συνεστηκεν
και αυτος εστιν η κεφαλη του σωματος της εκκλησιας ος εστιν αρχη πρωτοτοκος εκ των νεκρων ινα γενηται εν πασιν αυτος πρωτευων
Col 1:15 who is the image of the unseen God, first-born of all creation;
Col 1:16 for in him were created the whole, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- the visible and the unseen; whether thrones, whether lordships, whether sovereignties, whether authorities; the whole through him and in him have been created.
Col 1:17 And he is before all, and the whole in him combine.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body of the assembly, who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that [should be in all things he preeminent].
Col 1:19 For in him [thought well all the fullness] to dwell;
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile the whole to himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.

This is as clear as the Shekinah that Messiah IS the Creator brother.

By him , [ en (G1722)] - 'in Him:' as the creative center, the conditional, all-including cause, in and on whom creation rests for its realization: the creation of all things BY Him [ di' (G1223) autou (G846)], as the mediating cause, follows. God revealed Himself in the Son, the Word, before all created existence (Col_1:15). The Divine Word carries IN Himself the archetypes of all existences, so that 'IN Him all things in heaven and earth were created.' 'In Him' indicates that the Word is the ideal ground of all existence; "by Him," that He is the instrument of actually realizing the divine idea (Neander). His essential nature as the Word of the Father is not a mere appendage of His incarnation, but the ground of it. The original relation of the Eternal Word to men 'made in His image' (Gen_1:27), is the source of His forming, in His incarnation, the new relation whereby He restores them to His lost image. 'In Him' implies something prior to "by" and "for Him" presently after: the three propositions mark in succession the beginning, the progress, and the end (Bengel). The conditional, the mediating, and the final cause.

I really want to be a observer and not get involved, yet @Matthias
In an hour's time lights out here.
 
@Johann knows who is teaching error about Jesus and its not me since I'm the one who like Thomas confesses Christ is my Lord and my God. :) Like Paul confessed He is God, like Peter confessed He is God, like John confessed He is God, like Jude confessed He is God, like James confessed He is God, like the Author of Hebrews confessed He is God, like Luke confessed He is God, like Mark confessed He is God, like the OT Prophets who confessed He is God.

hope this helps !!!

I‘m letting @Johann tell me what he knows.
 
I‘m letting @Johann tell me what he knows.
I know what he knows since we have had numerous conversation online and offline. On Christ the solid Rock he stands all other ground is sinking sand. A foundation that crumbles. Johann like the Apostle's confesses Christ is His God, his Only Lord and Savior, his Only Sovereign.

hope this helps !!!
 
Do you believe the story my spiritual enemy is telling you about “the lost little child in the story” @Johann?

The child in the story is saved. The devil is telling you a lie.
Like I've said-woke up a couple hours ago-still battling to get my thoughts together and power out in an hour's time brother.
I know I'm saved brother-only God in Messiah could do that-give me time to make a coherent decision.
J.
 
Since you press me for an answer brother-yes, I do believer Messiah is the Creator

[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:15 15-20 Now Christ is the visible expression of the invisible God. He existed before creation began, for it was through him that every thing was made, whether spiritual or material, seen or unseen. Through him, and for him, also, were created power and dominion, ownership and authority. In fact, every single thing was created through, and for him. He is both the first principle and the upholding principle of the whole scheme of creation. And now he is the head of the body which is composed of all Christian people. Life from nothing began through him, and life from the dead began through him, and he is, therefore, justly called the Lord of all. It was in him that the full nature of God chose to live, and through him God planned to reconcile in his own person, as it were, everything on earth and everything in Heaven by virtue of the sacrifice of the cross.
Phillips


Col 1:15 Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach is the demut (BERESHIS 1:26-27; Pp 2:6) of the invisible G-d, the Bechor [TEHILLIM 89:27], the Yoresh (Heir) of kol hanivrah (all creation),
Col 1:16 Because in Him were created all things in Shomayim and on Ha'Aretz, the visible and the nistar (hidden), whether thrones or dominions, whether rulers or authorities, all things through Him and for Him have been created. [TEHILLIM 33:6]
Col 1:17 And Moshiach is before all things, and all things in Moshiach have been held together; [MISHLE 8:23-27; 30:4]
Col 1:18 And Moshiach is the Rosh [MISHLE 8:22; 30:4] of the Geviyah (Body) [Gn 47:18; Ps 16:9-10; Isa 53:11; Job 19:25-27], and the Geviyah (nevilah, DEVARIM 21:23) is Moshiach's Brit Chadasha Kehillah; Moshiach is its Reshit, the Bechor from the Mesim, that Moshiach might be in everything pre-eminent, [TEHILLIM 89:27]
ος εστιν εικων του θεου του αορατου πρωτοτοκος πασης κτισεως
οτι εν αυτω εκτισθη τα παντα τα εν τοις ουρανοις και τα επι της γης τα ορατα και τα αορατα ειτε θρονοι ειτε κυριοτητες ειτε αρχαι ειτε εξουσιαι τα παντα δι αυτου και εις αυτον εκτισται
και αυτος εστιν προ παντων και τα παντα εν αυτω συνεστηκεν
και αυτος εστιν η κεφαλη του σωματος της εκκλησιας ος εστιν αρχη πρωτοτοκος εκ των νεκρων ινα γενηται εν πασιν αυτος πρωτευων
Col 1:15 who is the image of the unseen God, first-born of all creation;
Col 1:16 for in him were created the whole, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- the visible and the unseen; whether thrones, whether lordships, whether sovereignties, whether authorities; the whole through him and in him have been created.
Col 1:17 And he is before all, and the whole in him combine.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body of the assembly, who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that [should be in all things he preeminent].
Col 1:19 For in him [thought well all the fullness] to dwell;
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile the whole to himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.

This is as clear as the Shekinah that Messiah IS the Creator brother.

By him , [ en (G1722)] - 'in Him:' as the creative center, the conditional, all-including cause, in and on whom creation rests for its realization: the creation of all things BY Him [ di' (G1223) autou (G846)], as the mediating cause, follows. God revealed Himself in the Son, the Word, before all created existence (Col_1:15). The Divine Word carries IN Himself the archetypes of all existences, so that 'IN Him all things in heaven and earth were created.' 'In Him' indicates that the Word is the ideal ground of all existence; "by Him," that He is the instrument of actually realizing the divine idea (Neander). His essential nature as the Word of the Father is not a mere appendage of His incarnation, but the ground of it. The original relation of the Eternal Word to men 'made in His image' (Gen_1:27), is the source of His forming, in His incarnation, the new relation whereby He restores them to His lost image. 'In Him' implies something prior to "by" and "for Him" presently after: the three propositions mark in succession the beginning, the progress, and the end (Bengel). The conditional, the mediating, and the final cause.

I really want to be a observer and not get involved, yet @Matthias
In an hour's time lights out here.

Thanks. If that’s what you’re persuaded is true then you should stop listening to me and go with the orthodox trinitarians.

They aren’t looking at the verses through Jewish eyes. They’re looking at the verses through trinitarian eyes.

Jesus isn’t a trinitarian, and neither are his apostles. They are Jewish monotheists.

My spiritual enemy will tell you that Jesus is a trinitarian, and so too are his apostles. You will tell me that too.
 
Like I've said-woke up a couple hours ago-still battling to get my thoughts together and power out in an hour's time brother.
I know I'm saved brother-only God in Messiah could do that-give me time to make a coherent decision.
J.

I wasn’t asking about your salvation. I was asking about whether or not you believed my spiritual enemy’s story - he told you the little child is lost. He didn’t tell you the truth about her. He told you what orthodoxy says about her, and about me.
 
Since you press me for an answer brother-yes, I do believer Messiah is the Creator

[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:15 15-20 Now Christ is the visible expression of the invisible God. He existed before creation began, for it was through him that every thing was made, whether spiritual or material, seen or unseen. Through him, and for him, also, were created power and dominion, ownership and authority. In fact, every single thing was created through, and for him. He is both the first principle and the upholding principle of the whole scheme of creation. And now he is the head of the body which is composed of all Christian people. Life from nothing began through him, and life from the dead began through him, and he is, therefore, justly called the Lord of all. It was in him that the full nature of God chose to live, and through him God planned to reconcile in his own person, as it were, everything on earth and everything in Heaven by virtue of the sacrifice of the cross.
Phillips


Col 1:15 Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach is the demut (BERESHIS 1:26-27; Pp 2:6) of the invisible G-d, the Bechor [TEHILLIM 89:27], the Yoresh (Heir) of kol hanivrah (all creation),
Col 1:16 Because in Him were created all things in Shomayim and on Ha'Aretz, the visible and the nistar (hidden), whether thrones or dominions, whether rulers or authorities, all things through Him and for Him have been created. [TEHILLIM 33:6]
Col 1:17 And Moshiach is before all things, and all things in Moshiach have been held together; [MISHLE 8:23-27; 30:4]
Col 1:18 And Moshiach is the Rosh [MISHLE 8:22; 30:4] of the Geviyah (Body) [Gn 47:18; Ps 16:9-10; Isa 53:11; Job 19:25-27], and the Geviyah (nevilah, DEVARIM 21:23) is Moshiach's Brit Chadasha Kehillah; Moshiach is its Reshit, the Bechor from the Mesim, that Moshiach might be in everything pre-eminent, [TEHILLIM 89:27]
ος εστιν εικων του θεου του αορατου πρωτοτοκος πασης κτισεως
οτι εν αυτω εκτισθη τα παντα τα εν τοις ουρανοις και τα επι της γης τα ορατα και τα αορατα ειτε θρονοι ειτε κυριοτητες ειτε αρχαι ειτε εξουσιαι τα παντα δι αυτου και εις αυτον εκτισται
και αυτος εστιν προ παντων και τα παντα εν αυτω συνεστηκεν
και αυτος εστιν η κεφαλη του σωματος της εκκλησιας ος εστιν αρχη πρωτοτοκος εκ των νεκρων ινα γενηται εν πασιν αυτος πρωτευων
Col 1:15 who is the image of the unseen God, first-born of all creation;
Col 1:16 for in him were created the whole, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- the visible and the unseen; whether thrones, whether lordships, whether sovereignties, whether authorities; the whole through him and in him have been created.
Col 1:17 And he is before all, and the whole in him combine.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body of the assembly, who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that [should be in all things he preeminent].
Col 1:19 For in him [thought well all the fullness] to dwell;
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile the whole to himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.

This is as clear as the Shekinah that Messiah IS the Creator brother.

By him , [ en (G1722)] - 'in Him:' as the creative center, the conditional, all-including cause, in and on whom creation rests for its realization: the creation of all things BY Him [ di' (G1223) autou (G846)], as the mediating cause, follows. God revealed Himself in the Son, the Word, before all created existence (Col_1:15). The Divine Word carries IN Himself the archetypes of all existences, so that 'IN Him all things in heaven and earth were created.' 'In Him' indicates that the Word is the ideal ground of all existence; "by Him," that He is the instrument of actually realizing the divine idea (Neander). His essential nature as the Word of the Father is not a mere appendage of His incarnation, but the ground of it. The original relation of the Eternal Word to men 'made in His image' (Gen_1:27), is the source of His forming, in His incarnation, the new relation whereby He restores them to His lost image. 'In Him' implies something prior to "by" and "for Him" presently after: the three propositions mark in succession the beginning, the progress, and the end (Bengel). The conditional, the mediating, and the final cause.

I really want to be a observer and not get involved, yet @Matthias
In an hour's time lights out here.
Amen brother in Christ my fellow workman who is not ashamed handling accurately the word of truth. :)
 
I know what he knows since we have had numerous conversation online and offline. On Christ the solid Rock he stands all other ground is sinking sand. A foundation that crumbles. Johann like the Apostle's confesses Christ is His God, his Only Lord and Savior, his Only Sovereign.

hope this helps !!!

I’m finding out what he knows and what he believes. You’ve seen what I’ve written to him. If he is in agreement with you and unwilling to change his mind then he should stop listening to me.
 
I wasn’t asking about your salvation. I was asking about whether or not you believed my spiritual enemy’s story - he told you the little child is lost. He didn’t tell you the truth about her. He told you what orthodoxy says about her, and about me.
It is not for me to say who is lost and who is not brother-why are you pressing me? I have told you 3x now I just woke UP-and now you are pitting me against others and I have said I don't want to get involved, yet.
J.
 
I wasn’t asking about your salvation. I was asking about whether or not you believed my spiritual enemy’s story - he told you the little child is lost. He didn’t tell you the truth about her. He told you what orthodoxy says about her, and about me.
Back your false assertions up with the Bible facts. Oh yes that’s right you would rather use extra biblical second hand sources eager than the Bible as the truth as you have demonstrated here time and time again. No one here is being fooled by your tactics. Every trinitarian in this board can see right through it. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all if the people all of the time. :)
 
It is not for me to say who is lost and who is not brother-why are you pressing me? I have told you 3x now I just woke UP-and now you are pitting me against others and I have said I don't want to get involved, yet.
J.
You have caught on the the schemes and traps. Well done thou good and faithful servant.
 
I’m finding out what he knows and what he believes. You’ve seen what I’ve written to him. If he is in agreement with you and unwilling to change his mind then he should stop listening to me.
He is not listening to you at all with your false claims. Like me he is a biblical Trinitarian first and foremost.

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