Did Jesus have or need Faith ?

[civic]

Lets wrap up this heretical view of being in Christ before one believes the gospel.

1-No one is in Christ until they believe. Ephesians 1:13, Galatians 3:26, 2 Corinthians 5:17

2-Paul declares Junias was in Christ before him.

Romans 16:7- Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.

So much for being in Christ heresy before creation or before one believes the gospel. Paul exposed its false in Rom 16:7 and Ephesians 1:13.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

I will quote @Joe on this topic as he always has a good biblical view.

It is senseless to argue against the biblical fact that one is not in Christ and saved until they actually hear the Gospel of God's salvation and believe.

"For, “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?"...for, "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God".

The assignment given to the Apostle Paul by the Lord Himself was to us Gentiles, "to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

The account of the Philippian jailer in Acts 16:29-33, "brought them out, and said, He called for lights, sprang in, fell down trembling before Paul and Silas, brought them out, and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” They spoke the word of the Lord to him, and to all who were in his house. He took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes, and was immediately baptized, he and all his household."

When was the jailer saved before or after knowing how to be saved? According to the biblical text it was not until after.

Some circles of believers get the cart in front of the horse thinking one is saved prior to the act of salvation. No one is saved, justified by the blood of Jesus Christ until they place faith in that truth; "for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; whom God sent to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God’s forbearance; to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time; that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus."

God Bless

 

[Runningman]

Did Jesus have Faith ?

My top 10 reasons why Jesus had no need for faith !

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

Faith is the belief in things unseen. Remember the words of the Author of Hebrews: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen” (11:1).

Since Jesus is God He has perfect knowledge of all things as He claimed and the disciples affirmed on numerous occasions when they said we know that you are the Son of God for you know all things. Jesus knew what was in mans heart. There is no reason for Jesus to have faith since He knows all things and all things were made by Him and through Him and in Him all things exist. He knows the beginning from the end as the Creator. He shares all the same Divine attributes as the Father and the Holy Spirit. There is no faith in heaven there is only sight. The 2 natures in Christ solve the question of faith and Jesus as a man has all the attributes of God. So Jesus had no need for faith since He sees the things unseen by man. He always said and did what He heard and saw the Father doing 24/7 read about it in John 5.

Lets discuss

hope this helps !!!

Jesus does have faith in God.

Matthew 27
43He trusts in God. Let God deliver Him now if He wants Him. For He said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”

Matthew 27:43 is prophetic of what Psalms 22 says, which is a messianic psalm. Jesus quoted some of this while on the cross, saying "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" but verse 8 says of Jesus the Messiah:

“He trusts in the LORD,
let the LORD deliver him;
let the LORD rescue him,
since He delights in him.”

 

[Red Baker]

@civic

Romans 16:7- Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.

They were " IN CHRIST " before Paul was proving no one is in Christ prior to conversion. Paul was not in Christ before Junia and Andronicus.

Well civic, as usual, you did not help by you not rightly dividing the word of Truth. You failed to do as Eza and other men of God have done since the beginning:

Nehemiah 8:8​

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.”

All you have done is to run with "sound bites", which allow you to seemly teach truth, but to a trained spiritual eye they know otherwise and quickly can see your craftiness, at work, maybe not on purpose, but for sure lack of bible knowledge.

Legally, we all who are believers have been in Christ since the beginning of the world.

Ephesians 1:4​

“According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:”

2 Timothy 1:9​

“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”

Yet in time each one according to age are come to be in Christ by their faith and baptism practically speaking! I'm old and have been in Christ since around the time I was 26 years old, so I been in Christ for over 51 plus years, longer than many, less than some. I'm the elder in the faith, among the little group we meet with.

 

[Jim]

@civic

Well civic, as usual, you did not help by you not rightly dividing the word of Truth. You failed to do as Eza and other men of God have done since the beginning:

Nehemiah 8:8​

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.”

All you have done is to run with "sound bites", which allow you to seemly teach truth, but to a trained spiritual eye they know otherwise and quickly can see your craftiness, at work, maybe not on purpose, but for sure lack of bible knowledge.

Legally, we all who are believers have been in Christ since the beginning of the world.

Ephesians 1:4​

“According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:”

2 Timothy 1:9​

“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”

Yet in time each one according to age are come to be in Christ by their faith and baptism practically speaking! I'm old and have been in Christ since around the time I was 26 years old, so I been in Christ for over 51 plus years, longer than many, less than some. I'm the elder in the faith, among the little group we meet with.

Hey there Red. Good morning to you. I hope all is going well for you.

I have to comment on what you have posted there. Because, ironically [and I think I am using the word ironically correctly] you do not give the right sense to Nehemia 8:8.

 

[Red Baker]

@civic

It is senseless to argue against the biblical fact that one is not in Christ and saved until they actually hear the Gospel of God's salvation and believe.

You know mr. civic, you leave yourself wide open to be exposed as not rightly dividing the scriptures by any person who is able to take them and rightly divide them as Paul commanded us to do.

2 Timothy 2:15​

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

Let me ask you a question, mr civic: Where does your understanding leave certain individuals like those who die as infants; the feeble minded folks mentally speaking; and the heathrens of this world who have not heard and may never hear, both past, present and future? There are NO EXCEPTION to the fact that one must be regenerated before they can inherit eternal life, because all sinned and died in Adam, so based upon what you have posted:

It is senseless to argue against the biblical fact that one is not in Christ and saved until they actually hear the Gospel of God's salvation and believe.

Where does this leave those three group of folks mentioned above?

Also, Jesus was our surety and we were IN CHRIST as the head of teh elect family of God~per Romans 5. Also, how do you explained these scriptures:

Ephesians 2:5,6​

“Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:”

I'll let you go first with these scriptures and give your understanding so we can test you as we should do.

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

I have to comment on what you have posted there. Because, ironically [and I think I am using the word ironically correctly] you do not give the right sense to Nehemiah 8:8.

Please do so, I truly see no sense you can possibly give to Nehemiah 8:8 and connect it with 2nd Tim. 2:15, to make any other sense than the manner in which I used it.

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

Hey there Red. Good morning to you.

Jim, good morning, sorry I forgot to return the same courteous words back to you. Every morning is good Jim, when we awake with a sound mind, and feel good enough to do work for our Lord Jesus. and to serve his cause, and his people in this world, what little we have to offer.

 

[Jim]

@Jim

Jim, good morning, sorry I forgot to return the same courteous words back to you. Every morning is good Jim, when we awake with a sound mind, and feel good enough to do work for our Lord Jesus. and to serve his cause, and his people in this world, what little we have to offer.

That is a big AMEN!!

 

[civic]

@civic

Well civic, as usual, you did not help by you not rightly dividing the word of Truth. You failed to do as Eza and other men of God have done since the beginning:

Nehemiah 8:8​

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.”

All you have done is to run with "sound bites", which allow you to seemly teach truth, but to a trained spiritual eye they know otherwise and quickly can see your craftiness, at work, maybe not on purpose, but for sure lack of bible knowledge.

Legally, we all who are believers have been in Christ since the beginning of the world.

Ephesians 1:4​

“According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:”

2 Timothy 1:9​

“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”

Yet in time each one according to age are come to be in Christ by their faith and baptism practically speaking! I'm old and have been in Christ since around the time I was 26 years old, so I been in Christ for over 51 plus years, longer than many, less than some. I'm the elder in the faith, among the little group we meet with.

you dodged the passages I quoted because they refute your false premise.