Matthias
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Orthodoxy acknowledges that there is.
Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?
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Orthodoxy acknowledges that there is.
Matthias
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I believe that Jesus himself is divine (i.e. Godlike) but, just as I don’t believe that the Trinity is the God of Israel, neither do I believe that Jesus himself is.
The God of Israel is the Messiah’s God; not the Messiah, nor the Trinity.
If you want to know my opinion, your belief fits better with orthodoxy. It doesn’t fit mine at all.
civic
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Who cares when is missing in the bible.
Just like the "Trinity" is missing therefor in your mind its invalid.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too as they say.
Wrangler
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You got to be kidding me! Does it have to be a law? The demonstration of agency is everywhere throughout all 66 books. Jesus sent out the Apostles 2 at a time to perform miracles. This does not make them God. It makes them agents.
Josua was the agend of Moses, who was the agent of YHWH. David was the agent of Saul, who was the agent of YHWH. Eve was the agent of the serpent in the Garden. And on and on it goes.
civic
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The so is the Trinity all over the 66 books- same argument you are using with agency.
Matthias
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Agency is easy to see in scripture. So easy, in fact, that orthodox scholars have no problem at all identifying it and talking about it.
civic
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TRINITY is easier to see in Scripture. The orthodox scholars all identify it and talk about it.
Matthias
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He isn’t kidding you.
Trinitarian scholars talk about agency in scripture all the time. You’re talking to one trinitarian who doesn’t believe it Zips found there. I’ve met many just like him. It makes my job easier when they join in on a conversation I’m having with other trinitarians. It’s a simple matter to show them that it is. What they do with it is entirely up to them.
Matthias
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TRINITY is easier to see in Scripture. The orthodox scholars all identify it and talk about it.
The doctrine of the Trinity is not in scripture. The orthodox trinitarian scholars tell us where, when and how it came to be the confession of the Church.
See, for example, Dr. Brown.
civic
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The Law of Agency is not in Scripture in fact the "law of agency " is not once ever mentioned in the bible.
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Matthias
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I don’t reject the Trinity simply because the word “Trinity” isn’t found in scripture.
civic
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Sure you do if it was in the bible would you accept it ?
Matthias
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I appeal to trinitarian scholars who know much better than you the subject of agency in scripture.
I appeal to the very scholars whom you reject.
It isn’t a fallacy to appeal to the opinions of scholars. Listen to what they have to say and decide whether or not whatever they say has merit.
praise_yeshua
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Matthias
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If it was in the Bible I would accept it.
praise_yeshua
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It is fallacy to try to establish their opinions are being authoritative.
Johann
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But I must say that I find it amusing when someone takes one sentence from the thousands of pages I have written and determines that I don’t believe Yeshua is divine or that I think all Christians are Torah-resistant fools or that every Christian doctrine is an attempt to deliberately manipulate us.I reconcile it with the Jewish concept of agency.
You need to know, if you don’t already, that orthodoxy rejects this concept when applied to the question of who the one God is.
Please take a couple of minutes, if you will, to read this very short article.
Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of hisskipmoen.com
Here’s my suggestion: Read a few hundred pages before you get flustered because you think your most precious doctrines are under attack. I am sure we could have a profitable dialogue about omniscience, forgiveness, atonement, inerrancy and a dozen other theological issues. But the key for me is dialogue, not doctrine. I do not find myself shackled to ossified propositions from past philosophical dilemmas. I do hope to someday understand what God told His people.
I have only one purpose – to find out what the text says, that is, what it meant to the audience that heard it first, what it meant in that culture’s paradigm. So I search anywhere and everywhere that the text takes me. That’s all. That’s enough. I barely have time for even this.
I am trying to find out how to live as a Gentile follower of Yeshua who serves YHVH. Along the way, I am finding that a lot of the forms of Christian theology don’t fit the Scriptures I read, and that means I have to rethink things. But please don’t call me a heretic unless I actually become one.
Moen
So it all comes back to echad-and the meaning of echad-tell me brother, do you believe Jesus pre-existed WITH YHVH?
or is this also too far fetched?
Matthias
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I’m a Jewish monotheist. There is no God besides the Messiah’s own God. Everything else is idolatry.
praise_yeshua
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Interesting how you appeal to the Bible as being the sole authority here when you've endless been appealing to opinion.
Do you exclusively reserve that right to yourself?
Matthias
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Then don’t do it.
I don’t do it. Doing so is not the proper way to use commentaries.
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