Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

[praise_yeshua]

The Messiah’s own belief about who his God and the God of his disciples is.



I addressed this a few moments ago.

I get on well when I visit a synagogue and speak with them about the one God. I don’t get along well on a visit to a synagogue when I speak with them about the Jew from Nazareth who is the one God’s Messiah.

No doubt. At your very best you're stuck between Orthodox Jewish Monotheism and traditional Trinitarianism. You're not so different from us as others. I'm glad. I'm not criticizing you. However, I believe you need to openly recognize this if you're going to use the tactics you're using.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It is the Messiah’s teaching.

Christianity began as a sect of, and within, Judaism.

You're word parsing.... Yes. I can make the same argument. Trinitarianism is a natural outgrowth of the revelation given to believing Jews.

 

[Matthias]

not kosher thats for sure

Some among the Jews who believed a fellow Jew is the Messiah raised up and sent by their God (i.e. the earliest Christians) as well as Jews who did not believe a fellow Jew is the Messiah raised up sent by their God said the same thing to Paul.

 

[synergy]

Trinitarian scholars talk about agency in scripture all the time. You’re talking to one trinitarian who doesn’t believe it Zips found there. I’ve met many just like him. It makes my job easier when they join in on a conversation I’m having with other trinitarians. It’s a simple matter to show them that it is. What they do with it is entirely up to them.

Trinitarians talk about Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Saints, etc.... We don't refer to God's commissioned people as Agents. Unitarians have been watching too many Spy movies lately.

Cc: @Wrangler

 

[civic]

You're word parsing.... Yes. I can make the same argument. Trinitarianism is a natural outgrowth of the revelation given to believing Jews.

Exactly

 

[Matthias]

No doubt. At your very best you're stuck between Orthodox Jewish Monotheism and traditional Trinitarianism.

No. I’ve rejected both of them.

You're not so different from us as others. I'm glad. I'm not criticizing you. However, I believe you need to openly recognize this if you're going to use the tactics you're using.

I’m nothing like most of you.

 

[Wrangler]

The so is the Trinity all over the 66 books- same argument you are using with agency.

Not at all. You cannot name one single verse that states anything like the trinity of the doctrine. Not one! By contrast agency is thoughout - as I've already demonstrated.


3 Praised be Adonai, Father of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, who in the Messiah has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in heaven.
Ephesians 1:3
Complete Jewish Bible

 

[Matthias]

You're word parsing....

I’m directing your attention to Jesus.

Yes. I can make the same argument. Trinitarianism is a natural outgrowth of the revelation given to believing Jews.

That is the argument of orthodoxy. See, for example, Dr. Brown.

 

[Wrangler]

You're word parsing.... Yes. I can make the same argument. Trinitarianism is a natural outgrowth of the revelation given to believing Jews.

Well, some arguments are invalid.

Proof that your argument is invalid is that not even Jesus taught the trinity.

 

[civic]

Some among the Jews who believed a fellow Jew is the Messiah raised up and sent by their God (i.e. the earliest Christians) as well as Jews who did not believe a fellow Jew is the Messiah raised up sent by their God said the same thing to Paul.

Messiah as God Incarnate raised Himself from the dead and also chose, sent and gave Eternal Life to the Apostles and sent the Holy Spirit. All things God alone does all the while they worshiped Him as God and identified Him as their God and Savior, Lord and God, The Only Sovereign, the Only Lord, Their Creator.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Not at all. You cannot name one single verse that states anything like the trinity of the doctrine. Not one! By contrast agency is thoughout - as I've already demonstrated.


3 Praised be Adonai, Father of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, who in the Messiah has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in heaven.
Ephesians 1:3
Complete Jewish Bible

No the Plural God is everywhere beginning with Genesis 1 and ending in Revelation 22 and everywhere in between.

 

[Wrangler]

Messiah as God Incarnate raised Himself from the dead

Not one verse says anything like this. Extreme eisegesis.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No. I’ve rejected both of them.
I’m nothing like most of you.

We are not so different. If you love Messiah, we are brothers in Christ. Not enemies. Many believers have a varied view of Christ. It takes time to learn of Him. We are all on a journey to know Him more. If you see yourself a servant to Messiah, then I'm thankful for you.

 

[Matthias]

Trinitarians talk about Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Saints, etc.... We don't refer to God's commissioned people as Agents.

I agree that you don’t. I’m pointing out the disconnect that exists between the average trinitarian and your trinitarian theologians and scholars.

Unitarians have been watching too many Spy movies lately.

This is the type of comment which causes conversations to generate.

 

[Wrangler]

No the Plural God is everywhere beginning with Genesis 1

There is no plural God.

 

[civic]

Not one verse says anything like this. Extreme eisegesis.

John 2:19-22. Jesus own words refute your claims.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well, some arguments are invalid.

Yep. At "face value" they are called arbitrary choices. At least admit this in the context of honest discovery.

 

[civic]

Trinitarians talk about Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Saints, etc.... We don't refer to God's commissioned people as Agents. Unitarians have been watching too many Spy movies lately.

Cc: @Wrangler

Yes Bible 101

 

[Matthias]

Messiah as God Incarnate raised Himself from the dead and also chose, sent and gave Eternal Life to the Apostles and sent the Holy Spirit. All things God alone does all the while they worshiped Him as God and identified Him as their God and Savior, Lord and God, The Only Sovereign, the Only Lord, Their Creator.

hope this helps !!!

Orthodoxy.

 

[Wrangler]

John 2:19-22. Jesus own words refute your claims.

No. They don't refute my words one little bit. This verse says nothing like the Messiah as God ... It's amazing the extreme claims trinitarian's make from monotheist text.