Matthias
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Another in a long list of things that we are not in agreement about.
Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?
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Another in a long list of things that we are not in agreement about.
civic
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Well its a biblical fact.
Matthias
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Well its a biblical fact.
It’s not.
Johann
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I still don't know what you are talking about Orthodox Trinitarians or deity of orthodox trinitariasim.
Can you explain it to me in a condensed format?
Matthias
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I’m talking about idolatry. -> I’m talking about the Trinity.
Now do you understand?
There is no God besides the God and Father of the Messiah. Everything else - including the Trinity - is an idol.
civic
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They all followed suit just like Stephen.
Acts 7
You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52 Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— 53 you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.”
54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.
Johann
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So my belief in the Triune Godhead could be idolatry?
Matthias
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I’m fully persuaded that it is, but you have to decide that - one way or the other - for yourself.
Don’t make your decision on what I believe.
Do you think Jesus himself is a trinitarian?
Johann
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I don't want to put you on the spot-but how do YOU believe-ONE God? Shoot straight with me brother and elaborate a bit more-or-if you wish-PM me.
There are ditches lying everywhere and the Classic Pilgrim's Progress was a real eye opener.
Johann.
Good question. I'll get the popcorn.
Matthias
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I believe the one God is the Father alone; the God of Abraham, of Isaac, of Israel and of Jesus.
There is no God besides theirs. Everything else is idols.
I don’t pm anyone. I‘ve had a couple of bad experiences with pm’s; from people not keeping confidential what was said in private to moderators reading pm’s which they were not invited to be a part in. I’m not suggesting that you in particular, or anyone else on this forum, would do that. I simply don’t pm anyone.
There’s no denying or escaping the fact that there are.
Johann
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And who is Jesus? If He is not God is He worthy to receive our highest eulogies and worship?
Matthias
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The human person Messiah, the Son of the living God.
Who, someone might ask, is the living God?
The God and Father of Jesus of Nazareth.
You’ll have to decide that for yourself.
I worship both the one God and the Messiah.
Matthias
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Jesus is God without being God himself. Do you understand how that is possible? Or do you think it’s just a contradictory statement?
Johann
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Are you denying the Deity of Christ Jesus brother-I don't make an appeal to what the church fathers wrote-but to Scriptures-just read through John/Yochanan and the Deity is everywhere-yes?
Matthias
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The only deity of Christ - in John and everywhere else in in scripture - is his God and Father.
Johann
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Sounds VERY contradicting to me-how do you reconcile this?
I am not trying to put you on the spot here-Jesus IS God without BEING God Himself?
Care to elaborate brother?
Matthias
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I reconcile it with the Jewish concept of agency.
You need to know, if you don’t already, that orthodoxy rejects this concept when applied to the question of who the one God is.
Please take a couple of minutes, if you will, to read this very short article.
Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of his
skipmoen.com
Johann
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Not really brother-
Cognate with Theos , there are three other words to be noted :
1. Theotes , rendered "Deity", and used of Christ. Occurs only in Col_2:9, and has relation to the Godhead personally ; while
2. Theiotes , rendered "Deity" also, is Deity in the abstract . Occurs only in Rom_1:20.
3. Theios , rendered "Divine", and is used of Christ. Occurs only in 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4; and, with the Article, in Act_17:29, where it is rendered "Godhead". Gr. = that which [is] Divine.
Do you deny this?
civic
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There is no law of agency in the bible- its a fallacy.I reconcile it with the Jewish concept of agency.
You should know, if you don’t already, that orthodoxy rejects this concept when applied to the question of who the one God is.
Please take a couple of minutes, if you will, to read this very short article.
Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of his
Its nothing but a made up unbiblical term to deny the Deity of Christ.
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