Elijah translates-EL(Elohim) is Jehovah,, Hallelujah= praise be to Jehovah.--All know the tetragramoton was in the Hebrew writings= YHWH or YHVH= the name in our language = Jehovah.
Created-THROUGH him= another did the creating.
Is Jesus God?
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Created-THROUGH him= another did the creating.
Again the Watchtower added the name Jehovah where YHWH does not appear in the New Testament 237 times
they added the word other to the text Col 1:16, 17
It is not an honest translation
Then why did the divine name kjv in 2015 put Gods name in the NT in those 237 spots?
Because in 2015 someone decided to do so
Show there is manuscript support for it when we both know however there is none
They had to have manuscript to go by.
Not with the word Jehovah in it
They simply did what the watchtower did
Add the name apart from any textual evidence
They rejected the NWT along with all the false religions, thus your reasoning is faulty.
Sorry you have no defense for the NWT adding to scripture
DavidTree
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No trinity means no Holy Spirit
No Trinity means no Word that was God
No Trinity means no Elohenu Abrahm, Elohenu Isaac, Elohenu Jacob = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT
No Trinity means watchtower is lying.
Psalm 45:7( before earth) John 20:17( on Earth) Rev 3:12( back in heaven) = Jesus has a God= his Father Jehovah. God does NOT have a God, Jesus does always. Its why he must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself( 1 Cor 15:24-28)= forever.-- In the Lords prayer=Your kingdom come= the kingdom belongs to the Father.
Runningman
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According to Jesus he isn't God.
Pancho Frijoles
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No, because Jesus had to be resurrected by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The New Testament is abundant in reminding us that it was God, the Only and True God, who raised Him.
Besides, God can’t resurrect because in order to resurrect, God must be dead in the first place.
Grace ambassador
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Precious friends:
This discussion will probably end on The Day Of The Great White Throne Judgment, eh?:
Surely all 'agree' that "God Is The Judge Of All", Correct?
God Almighty Is The Judge Of All!
Thus:
Jesus Christ Is God, Because All The Verses In The Holy Scriptures, That Talk About God Being
The Judge, Must Refer To Jesus Christ, Since He Alone Judges! The Father Judges no man!
(John 5:22 AV)
God, The Father, Has Committed All Judgment To His SON, The Lord Jesus Christ!!
(John 5:22 AV) Why?
Pray tell, then, What Exactly Happens when "the books are opened" At The Great White Throne
Judgment, Where "God, The Righteous Judge" Sits?:
The Lord Jesus Christ, The Righteous Judge of All, Sitting On The Great White Throne"?
Rather than "trusting in Another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4 AV) some have "preached to us",
Wouldn't it be Way Better (or God's Best ) for all of us to?:
"trust in God" Who Is "The Great God And { Only } Saviour, Jesus Christ," Who Sacrificed
Himself, and Bought The Purchased Possession "With His [ God's ] OWN BLOOD!"
(2 Corinthians 1:9-10; Titus 2:13-14; Acts 20:28 AV)
Grace, Peace, Mercy, and Love!
Amen. And, let us "Pray Without Ceasing", shall we?
This discussion will probably end on The Day Of The Great White Throne Judgment, eh?:
Surely all 'agree' that "God Is The Judge Of All", Correct?
"...I saw A Great White Throne, and Him That Sat On It, from Whose Face the earth and the heaven
fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God...." (Revelation 20: 11-12 AV)
God Almighty Is The Judge Of All!
"And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape The Judgment Of God?…
...But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself Wrath
against The Day Of Wrath and Revelation Of The Righteous Judgment Of God!"
(Romans 2:3, 5 AV)
...God The Judge of all!...God Will Judge!… (Hebrews 12:23, 13:4 AV)
...Strong Is The Lord God Who Judges!... (Revelation 18:8 AV)
Thus:
Jesus Christ Is God, Because All The Verses In The Holy Scriptures, That Talk About God Being
The Judge, Must Refer To Jesus Christ, Since He Alone Judges! The Father Judges no man!
(John 5:22 AV)
God, The Father, Has Committed All Judgment To His SON, The Lord Jesus Christ!!
(John 5:22 AV) Why?
"That All men should honour The SON, even as they honour The Father. He that
honoureth not The SON honoureth not The Father Who Hath Sent Him!"
(John 5:23 AV)
Pray tell, then, What Exactly Happens when "the books are opened" At The Great White Throne
Judgment, Where "God, The Righteous Judge" Sits?:
"...And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out
of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;and death and hell delivered up the dead
which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death
and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
(Revelation 20:12-15 AV)
Is not This The Final Judgment For All those who insist that This Is Not "God The SON, The Lord Jesus Christ, The Righteous Judge of All, Sitting On The Great White Throne"?
Rather than "trusting in Another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4 AV) some have "preached to us",
Wouldn't it be Way Better (or God's Best ) for all of us to?:
"trust in God" Who Is "The Great God And { Only } Saviour, Jesus Christ," Who Sacrificed
Himself, and Bought The Purchased Possession "With His [ God's ] OWN BLOOD!"
(2 Corinthians 1:9-10; Titus 2:13-14; Acts 20:28 AV)
Grace, Peace, Mercy, and Love!
Amen. And, let us "Pray Without Ceasing", shall we?
dwight92070
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The New World Translation (NWT) was produced between 1942 and 1977, during the Watchtower presidency of Nathan Knorr. The name "Jehovah" was inserted where the text refers to the Father 237 times in the New Testament. This was done despite the fact that it contradicts what is found in thousands of available Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. So right off the bat, the NWT is not a version, it's a perversion. JW's believe they are the only true followers of God, which is a clear sign of a cult.
The identity of those who "translated" the NWT perversion was hidden from the public until Raymond Franz, a high-level defector from the JW's finally revealed who they were: Nathan Knorr, Frederick Franz, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, and Milton Henschel. Four of these five men had NO Hebrew or Greek training whatsoever. In fact, they only had high school educations. The fifth, Frederick Franz - claimed to know Hebrew and Greek, but upon examination in a court of law in Scotland, he failed a simple Hebrew test.
Originally, the Watchtower (WT) endorsed the worship of Jesus, way back as early as 1880. However in 1959, the WT suddenly decided that Jesus should not be worshipped. Major changes have been in the NWT. Key Bible verses have deliberately mistranslated to support WT theology.
Another different gospel that Paul says has the curse of God on it.
Greek manuscripts done from Catholicism translating. There is nothing older than the latin vulgate and codex sinacticus, both Catholicism translating. Very few fragments that are older remain, but not much of them.
A cult to Gods view= A house divided( hundreds of trinity religions) will not stand= a mass of confusion.
Jesus' 1 single religion he is with=1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division. Yet the darkness calls Jesus' religion a cult.
Yes in the early years, only error filled translations existed, that is why errors were made. It took years of hard study by many men to unravel truth. Then corrections were made.
Again I'd like to address when unitarians and JWs see the distinction between Father and Son.
What often happens, is of when Jesus is doing things 'by the hand of the Father' ... being 'Son' .. 'being at the right hand of the Father' ..phrases like these..
They don't see the concept of Jesus being the very expression of the Father.. the right hand of the Father.. the very agent of the Father.
It isn't like two separate, entirely different entities. It's almost like a mirror image of the Father.... the Father's 'avatar'..
Agency..'as the man himself '
What often happens, is of when Jesus is doing things 'by the hand of the Father' ... being 'Son' .. 'being at the right hand of the Father' ..phrases like these..
They don't see the concept of Jesus being the very expression of the Father.. the right hand of the Father.. the very agent of the Father.
It isn't like two separate, entirely different entities. It's almost like a mirror image of the Father.... the Father's 'avatar'..
Agency..'as the man himself '
Jesus is Gods image( Col 1:15)-- an image is NEVER the real McCoy.
John 3:16-17- God sent his son------- There is only 1 God, he did not come down here, he sent his son. All sons are made by their Father.
synergy
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All sons inherit their Father's nature. What nature do JWs think God the Father has?
The point I'm making is the biblical way Jesus is 'Son', 'image' 'bodily expression ' etc .. isn't like we think of usually.
It's not like an entirely separate being.. but one being expressing itself in 3 ways. (Not modalistically)
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