Is anyone else a Seer?

[360watt]

The problem with just a few gifts passing away is the truth that nothing changes inside a covenant until the end of that covenant. The New Covenant/New Testament is still ours until Jesus comes the second time. It is definitely not until the canon. The gifts are taught IN the canon! That would be like we can eat until the cookbook is published, then we starve.

Well, the Bible was written to those people then, at their place and time.

So pursue gifts..was for the Corinthians plus others at the time. The question you gotta ask is if there is anything from that time which limits the practice of anything in the bible.

The early churches were established, the Canon was closed, the temple was destroyed, the apostles died.

Just because something is in the bible, doesn't always mean you apply it to today. Mostly you do with the NT..but the gifts of prophecy, tongues, knowledge and miracles had limits.

 

[charismaticlady]

The early churches were established, the Canon was closed, the temple was destroyed, the apostles died.

Just because something is in the bible, doesn't always mean you apply it to today. Mostly you do with the NT..but the gifts of prophecy, tongues, knowledge and miracles had limits.

And yet millions practice them everyday. I've seen every gift of 1 Corinthians 12. And have all of them except two. I've never received a message from God to give in tongues, nor interpreted it; but I've seen those with that office give them in church. I also have had my eyes opened by the Spirit of God to see if a sermon is anointed. I see it in the form of a glowing color, either white or dark blue. Still don't know what the change in color means. At first I just saw white. It is when I visited other churches did I see different colors. Usually dark blue. My own pastor is always white. And once I visited a church and it was green. But just once. I'm still learning about this.

 

[dwight92070]

Revelation 2 and 3 are seven letters Jesus wrote to Christians throughout the history of the Church. This is the last Church. The Church today. It is full of fake Christians.

Dwight - I believe the 7 letters were written to 7 churches in 7 cities, during John's day, not the church throughout history. The church has been full of fake Christians in every era, not just today. There's nothing in Revelation 2 and 3 that indicates these are the church throughout history.

Revelation 3:

14 To the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”

cc: @360watt

 

[dwight92070]

And yet millions practice them everyday. I've seen every gift of 1 Corinthians 12. And have all of them except two. I've never received a message from God to give in tongues, nor interpreted it; but I've seen those with that office give them in church. I also have had my eyes opened by the Spirit of God to see if a sermon is anointed. I see it in the form of a glowing color, either white or dark blue. Still don't know what the change in color means. At first I just saw white. It is when I visited other churches did I see different colors. Usually dark blue. My own pastor is always white. And once I visited a church and it was green. But just once. I'm still learning about this.

That's funny, I don't see that gift listed anywhere in the Bible. What would that be called? The glowing color gift?

 

[charismaticlady]

That's funny, I don't see that gift listed anywhere in the Bible. What would that be called? The glowing color gift?

Don't forget "wonders." And remember Satan cannot create a gift, only counterfeit what God has already created. Psychic medium can see auras around people. Where did that come from? Do you believe the Apostles documented everything Jesus did while on earth?

25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

You have God in a very small box for a very small closed brain. Study if you want to be approved!

 

[charismaticlady]

Dwight - I believe the 7 letters were written to 7 churches in 7 cities, during John's day, not the church throughout history. The church has been full of fake Christians in every era, not just today. There's nothing in Revelation 2 and 3 that indicates these are the church throughout history.

Revelation is a book of prophecy. The letters are three-fold, but you wouldn't know that would you. You are very limited in what you know and accept about God. Shame on you. Your ignorance is willful.

 

[dwight92070]

Revelation is a book of prophecy. The letters are three-fold, but you wouldn't know that would you. You are very limited in what you know and accept about God. Shame on you. Your ignorance is willful.

You're quite condescending, which is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit. You are correct in one of your comments, however. I limit what I know and accept about God to the truths presented in Scripture. I don't use different colored "clouds" to determine what is true and what is false. That smacks of demonic deception, which is a warning for you to repent of such dabbling in witchcraft.

 

[charismaticlady]

You're quite condescending, which is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit. You are correct in one of your comments, however. I limit what I know and accept about God to the truths presented in Scripture. I don't use different colored "clouds" to determine what is true and what is false. That smacks of demonic deception, which is a warning for you to repent of such dabbling in witchcraft.

That sounds like blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Shame on you. Don't you know there cannot be a counterfeit if there isn't the real? And it is in Scripture for the spiritually minded, just not for the natural minded. To you it is either foolish, or of the devil as you choose to blaspheme God.

9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

 

[Administrator]

Let's take it easy with the accusations please.

 

[Neil Spargo]

Nope, definitely not me.

A type of prophet in the Bible is the "Mouthpiece" type, who speaks God's messages publicly, fearlessly, and without compromise. Other types include the "Seer", who receives specific prophetic revelation through visions or dreams, and the "Watchman," who serves as a spiritual guardian.

 

[charismaticlady]

Nope, definitely not me.

A type of prophet in the Bible is the "Mouthpiece" type, who speaks God's messages publicly, fearlessly, and without compromise. Other types include the "Seer", who receives specific prophetic revelation through visions or dreams, and the "Watchman," who serves as a spiritual guardian.

My gift seems to show me whether or not a sermon is anointed by the Spirit.

 

[Neil Spargo]

My gift seems to show me whether or not a sermon is anointed by the Spirit.

My gift of discernment works for me in that. Reading the bible a lot with toe Holy Spirit leading one into all truth works well also.

 

[charismaticlady]

My gift of discernment works for me in that. Reading the bible a lot with toe Holy Spirit leading one into all truth works well also.

Let's see. Please answer this question. Does a born again of the Holy Spirit Christian still have a sin nature? Yes, or no? Scripture please.

 

[Neil Spargo]

The Bible teaches that we believers are not sinners by nature but rather have a new, righteous self through the resurrection of Christ (2 Peter 1:4; Colossians 3:1; Romans 6:18). This new self is compatible with God's nature, and believers are no longer enslaved to sin but are set free as slaves of righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:17, 21; Romans 6:18). The struggle between the old and new nature is a common experience for Christians, as we strive to live according to the Spirit and resist the pull of the flesh.

According to 2 Corinthians 5:17, “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!”

There are two Greek words which are translated “new” in the Bible. The first, neos, refers to something that has just been made, but there are already many others in existence just like it. The word translated “new” in this verse is the word kainos, which means “something just made which is unlike anything else in existence.”

In Christ, we are made an entirely new creation, just as God created the heavens and the earth originally—He made them out of nothing, and so He does with us. He does not merely clean up our old selves; He makes an entirely new self. When we are in Christ, we are “partakers of the divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4 KJV). God Himself, in the person of His Holy Spirit, takes up residence in our hearts. We are in Christ and He is in us.

In Christ, we are regenerated, renewed, and born again, and this new creation is spiritually minded, whereas the old nature is carnally minded. The new nature fellowships with God, obeys His will, and is devoted to His service. These are actions the old nature is incapable of doing or even desiring to do. The old nature is dead to the things of the Spirit and cannot revive itself. It is “dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1) and can only be made alive by a supernatural awakening, which happens when we come to Christ and are indwelt by Him. Christ gives us a completely new and holy nature and an incorruptible life. Our old life, previously dead to God because of sin, is buried, and we are raised “to walk in newness of life” with Him (Romans 6:4).

If we belong to Christ, we are united to Him and no longer slaves to sin (Romans 6:5–6); we are made alive with Him (Ephesians 2:5); we are conformed to His image (Romans 8:29); we are free from condemnation and walking not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1); and we are part of the body of Christ with other believers (Romans 12:5). The believer now possesses a new heart (Ezekiel 11:19) and has been blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus’ (Ephesians 1:3).

We might wonder why we so often do not live in the manner described, even though we have given our lives to Christ and are sure of our salvation. This is because our new natures are residing in our old fleshly bodies, and these two are at war with one another. The old nature is dead, but the new nature still has to battle the old “tent” in which it dwells. Evil and sin are still present, but the believer now sees them in a new perspective and they no longer control him as they once did. In Christ, we can now choose to resist sin, whereas the old nature could not. Now we have the choice to either feed the new nature through the Word, prayer, and obedience, or to feed the flesh by neglecting those things.

When we are in Christ, “we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us” (Romans 8:37) and can rejoice in our Savior, who makes all things possible (Philippians 4:13). In Christ we are loved, forgiven, and secure. In Christ we are adopted, justified, redeemed, reconciled, and chosen. In Christ we are victorious, filled with joy and peace, and granted true meaning in life. What a wonderful Savior is Christ!

 

[charismaticlady]

We might wonder why we so often do not live in the manner described, even though we have given our lives to Christ and are sure of our salvation. This is because our new natures are residing in our old fleshly bodies, and these two are at war with one another. The old nature is dead, but the new nature still has to battle the old “tent” in which it dwells. Evil and sin are still present, but the believer now sees them in a new perspective and they no longer control him as they once did. In Christ, we can now choose to resist sin, whereas the old nature could not. Now we have the choice to either feed the new nature through the Word, prayer, and obedience, or to feed the flesh by neglecting those things.

I'm impressed you showed that our body does not have anything to do with our new nature. You're one of the first that I've found that knows this.

I was agreeing with you until you claimed our body is responsible for "our new natures are residing in our old fleshly bodies, and these two are at war with one another." You didn't provide a scripture. Can you, please.

To me, our body is like a floppy puppet that is only controlled by our new nature, the puppet master.

 

[Neil Spargo]

I was agreeing with you until you claimed our body is responsible for "our new natures are residing in our old fleshly bodies, and these two are at war with one another." You didn't provide a scripture. Can you, please.

I'll try

For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. Galatians 5:17

Romans 7:15-23
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. / And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. / In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. ...

James 4:1
What causes conflicts and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from the passions at war within you?

1 Peter 2:11
Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh, which war against your soul.

Romans 8:5-8
Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. / The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, / because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. ...

Matthew 26:41
“Watch and pray so that you will not enter into temptation. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.”

1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Ephesians 4:22-24
to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; / to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; / and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

 

[charismaticlady]

Romans 7:15-23
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. / And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. / In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. ...

I'm wondering if you misread my request. It was to be about a born again Christian, not before conversion.

Romans 7 is about those under the law of Moses. They had to keep the commandments with the flesh (with the sin nature). You've taken these verses out of the context of what you should have just read 7:5-6 "For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter."

This "flesh" is past tense. Here Paul is talking about the other meaning of how he uses the word, "flesh." Flesh here means carnal flesh, the old man, the sin nature. Verses 7:14-23 and 25 is before the Spirit. Romans 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:5-8
Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh ... The mind of the flesh is death, ... because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. ...

Again out of context. You are choosing the verses describing our pasts that SHOULD REMAIN IN THE PAST. The next verse says 9 But you are NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His." There are many going to church who are not born again, and Jesus said, we MUST be born again. He is not speaking of our muscles and bones flesh, and verifies this with verse 10, that our body must still die like our nature did.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

That is not a Christian. Verses 9-13 is us, plus 15-16 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Verse 14 is like an atheist or other religion like Jewish still under the law of Moses.

1 Peter 2:11
Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh, which war against your soul.

This would be our body that wants sex. Jesus always gives us a way of escape and our new nature looks for it. So don't put yourselves in those positions

Ephesians 4:22-24
to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; / to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; / and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Again, this is our former self before the Spirit. Before Christ.

 

[Neil Spargo]

I'm wondering if you misread my request. It was to be about a born again Christian, not before conversion.

Romans 7 is about those under the law of Moses. They had to keep the commandments with the flesh (with the sin nature). You've taken these verses out of the context of what you should have just read 7:5-6 "For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter."

This "flesh" is past tense. Here Paul is talking about the other meaning of how he uses the word, "flesh." Flesh here means carnal flesh, the old man, the sin nature. Verses 7:14-23 and 25 is before the Spirit. Romans 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.


Again out of context. You are choosing the verses describing our pasts that SHOULD REMAIN IN THE PAST. The next verse says 9 But you are NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His." There are many going to church who are not born again, and Jesus said, we MUST be born again. He is not speaking of our muscles and bones flesh, and verifies this with verse 10, that our body must still die like our nature did.

That is not a Christian. Verses 9-13 is us, plus 15-16 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Verse 14 is like an atheist or other religion like Jewish still under the law of Moses.

This would be our body that wants sex. Jesus always gives us a way of escape and our new nature looks for it. So don't put yourselves in those positions


Again, this is our former self before the Spirit. Before Christ.

That's the best I can do. I see it as after salvation.

Romans 7:15-23 describes the internal struggle between the desire to do good and the inability to do so, a conflict caused by a persistent "sin nature" or "flesh" that opposes the will. The passage is about the ongoing battle between our new spiritual self and the old sinful self, which is a reality for both pre-conversion and post-conversion believers. This internal war, where the law of the mind wants to do right but the law of sin leads to doing wrong.

Prior to salvation, we have only one nature—the sin nature. But once we come to Christ, we are new creations in Christ 2 Corinthians 5:17, but we still abide in the old flesh which has the remains of the sinful nature within it. These two natures war constantly with one another, continually pulling the believer in opposite directions.

 

[Peterlag]

That's the best I can do. I see it as after salvation.

Romans 7:15-23 describes the internal struggle between the desire to do good and the inability to do so, a conflict caused by a persistent "sin nature" or "flesh" that opposes the will. The passage is about the ongoing battle between our new spiritual self and the old sinful self, which is a reality for both pre-conversion and post-conversion believers. This internal war, where the law of the mind wants to do right but the law of sin leads to doing wrong.

Prior to salvation, we have only one nature—the sin nature. But once we come to Christ, we are new creations in Christ 2 Corinthians 5:17, but we still abide in the old flesh which has the remains of the sinful nature within it. These two natures war constantly with one another, continually pulling the believer in opposite directions.

I have had a number of Christians tell me about Romans 7 when I tell them I do not believe Paul taught about a "sin nature" for the Christian. Romans 7 tells us right up at the top of the chapter that Paul is talking to those who are into or know the law. And then the context of the whole chapter is how we can see it's all about Israel and their Law and how they toy with their flesh. What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is witht heir flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we overcome this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary. To do so takes away from the perfect work of Christ and places salvation and righteousness back in our own hands. Romans 8 states "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin..."

 

[Neil Spargo]

Breakdown of Paul's teaching on Romans 7

No law hath power over a man longer than he lives, 1–3. But we are dead to the law, 4–6. Yet is not the law sin, 7–11; but holy, just, and good, 12–15; as I acknowledge, who am grieved because I cannot keep it, 16–25.

7:1 While the law still fulfills its function of guiding us to know God’s moral standards, we are free from enslavement to it as a way of righteousness (see 6:14).

7:2 Paul illustrates our freedom from the law with the analogy of marriage, showing how the death of one partner frees the other from lifelong obligations. The subject under discussion here is not divorce and remarriage but the Christian’s relationship to the system called “law.” Paul is speaking here in general terms without making detailed qualifications, and his statements should not be pressed to exclude the grounds for divorce and remarriage mentioned in Matt. 19:9 and 1 Cor. 7:15, where divorce and remarriage are specifically under discussion.

7:4 You also have become dead to the law: The analogy is not perfect, for here we died, not the law. But the point is clear. Because a death has occurred, old obligations and powers are broken, and we are no longer under a system of trying to obey in our own strength. We are dead to that system of “law” (3:20; 6:14).

7:5 In our preconversion state our sinful passions, originating in the flesh, were aroused by the law, leading to death. As believers, similar struggles with sin in the flesh occur, but need not prevail. The difference is the presence of the Spirit to bring them under Christ’s kingdom dominion within us.

7:6 Freedom from the Law does not mean license to sin, but servitude to God. In the newness of the New Covenant, the Holy Spirit gives power to obey God, a power the Law by itself could never give.

7:7 The law is good, but it cannot empower us to obey. In this section, Paul guards against the misunderstanding that he is saying that the Law in itself is evil. He emphasizes several times that it is good, yet vividly describes the impossibility of obeying it in one’s own strength.
The frequent uses of the personal pronouns “I” and “me” in vv. 7-25 raise a question: Is Paul a) referring to himself, either as a Christian experiencing present struggles or b) as a former Pharisee, or is he c) referring to people in general who are attempting apart from the work of the Holy Spirit to attain righteousness in their own strength? The first position regards the passage as autobiographical, with Paul sharing his experiences both as a Pharisee (vv. 7-13) and as a Christian (vv. 14-25). Supporting this common view is the fact that the tenses change from the past to the present in vv. 14-25 and the fact that Paul ordinarily uses the pronoun “I” to refer to himself. But it is also true that Paul’s experiences are representative of others, first of those seeking righteousness by legalistic practices and then of Christians engaged in warfare between the new nature in Christ and the old nature still resident in the flesh. Since Paul uses “I” in a generic or hypothetical sense in 3:7 and 1 Cor. 13:1-3, some have proposed this passage is not autobiographical, since Paul is such a bold proponent of the victorious life elsewhere (8:2; Phil. 4:8; 2 Tim. 1:13). However, interpreters all agree there remains a struggle with sin in the Christian life (6:12-16; 2 Cor. 7:1; Gal. 5:16, 17; 1 Pet. 2:11).

7:7 Paul’s declaration that “we have been delivered from the law” (v. 6) gives rise to the question is the law sin? His reaction is one of horror. Then he proceeds to show that the Law of God is good, provided we understand its function, which is to reveal sin and to teach what is right. Powerless in itself to produce righteousness, it exposes sin for what it really is.

7:8 Apart from the law, sin was dormant, but the Law aroused a desire to do that which it forbade. The same is true of every Christian.

7:9 Realization of sin through the instrumentality of the Law makes one conscious of his spiritual death.

7:11 Sin, not the law, was to blame. God’s law, reflecting His righteous moral principles, is holy. It simply does not have the power to make us righteous.

7:14 According to position a) mentioned above (see note on 7:7-25), here Paul relates his own experience as a Christian to teach the lesson that the Law cannot deliver one who is struggling against sin. While the Law can enlighten one’s conscience, it is powerless to produce holiness of life. The fault, however, is not with the Law of God, which is spiritual (v. 14). The fault is with the law of sin (v. 23, see vv. 14, 17, 18, 20, 21), the indwelling depravity of human nature, which rebels against God’s laws. According to this view, Paul declares that he is carnal, a creature of the flesh, sold under sin, in captivity to sin (v. 14). Throughout this life a conflict goes on between the new nature and the old, but there is a way to victory: Christ frees us to live in the power of the Holy Spirit (v. 25-8:11).

7:17 See section 4 of Truth-In-Action at the end of Rom.

7:24 This body of death: The figure is of a person chained to a corpse from which he cannot be freed, despairing of deliverance. But despair gives way to a declaration of victory, not because the struggle ceases, but because human strength is exceeded by the power of the Holy Spirit.


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