Irresistible Grace

[Kampioen]

Grace is irresistible in regeneration or the new birth, Jesus says Jn 3:7-8

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

This is saying how the new birth takes place ie spiritually rather than re-entering a womb to be physically born again, not an intention to say nicodemos couldn't libertarianly decide where to undergo it.

 

[brightfame52]

This is saying how the new birth takes place ie spiritually rather than re-entering a womb to be physically born again, not an intention to say nicodemos couldn't libertarianly decide where to undergo it.

Man is totally passive in regeneration, the new birth. Thats the qualification to believe In Jesus Jn 3:8,16

 

[synergy]

I do recognize them and understand them

But do you believe them? Jesus explicitly connects life to believing (“whoever believes in Him shall not perish,” v.16), indicating that receiving life (the effect of new birth) is granted in conjunction with faith, not before it; moreover, verse 14–15 compares salvation to those who looked at the bronze serpent and lived—a clearly volitional, responsive act. That clearly shows that divine grace is extended, but its life-giving benefit is experienced through belief, not imposed irresistibly apart from it. So the wind analogy in verses 7–8 speaks to the mysterious origin of the Spirit’s work, not to the irresistibility or temporal priority of regeneration over faith.

 

[brightfame52]

But do you believe them?

Duh Yeah, how can I understand them and dont believe them ? Believing denotes understanding Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.